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Watching in order 1-6 is screwing up the original SW for newcomers!

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I was reading a thread on the force.net, and I am starting to notice a trend of newcomers that watch the saga, the so called way Lucas says we are suppose to watch it now, 1-6, is making Episode IV worse!

They watch 1-3, and love all the flash, the fast lightsaber duels, the new CG special effects, and watch it as the story of Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader, and the rise of Palpatine to The Emperor.

When they get to Episode IV, all of the sudden they are asking question that Lucas obviously didn't address when he made the movie back in 1977.

Where is The Emperor, he is the star of the prequels, and he is mentioned in one line in the movie?

Where is the inner thoughts of Vader about his loss of his wife, and why is the whole movie really not about him?

Why is the lightsaber battle so slow, and really nothing comparable to the prequels?

Why is the score totally different, except for the opening crawl, and just seems disjointed compared to the other three?

Why when they go to hyperspace, do they not go into that circle, and then go to hyperspace like the prequels?

Why does ObiWan call him Darth Vader in Episode IV, and when he called him Anakin throughout the Duel in Episode III, when he was clearly Darth Vader by then?

Why do the special effects seem so inferior when it is 20 years later in the saga?

All these questions have a simple answer: The movie was made in 1977, and Lucas didn't think have half of these ideas in mind when making the original Star Wars!

This is Exhibit A why a newcomer should watch the saga 4-6, then 1-3. All of these questions are constantly being asked through the movie, but don't need to, cause it was made as a single movie at the time. You should watch Episode IV first, enjoy it for it was : A space adventure about good vs. evil, and focus on Luke, Han, & Leia, because they are the true heroes of the movie. A person who watched 1-3 first, keeps focusing on Darth Vader, and his character isn't given ample screentime that it would today if Lucas would have made them with the true intenion of the saga being about Darth Vader.

You should watch Episode IV, and if you want more Star Wars, then be shown 5 & 6, and then you will understand this is a bigger story than what you saw in the original, but you won't be tainted for stuff to look for that just isn't there. And if you want more, there is a backstory that was filmed 20 years later, and it looks different cause of technology, even the Yoda character is different looking, but it is a backstory and it will give you many answers about Darth Vader you may have been wondering.

My ass that the saga should be watched 1-6! By Lucas putting this silly order in the heads of the new fans, he has now screwed up the one movie that is a classic they HE directed, The Original Star Wars.

GOOD JOB GEORGE!
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It's so that ten years from now the new crop will have something to argue about on the internet whilst wiping the Cheetos dust from their protruding bellies.

Boy, it's like I just described my webcam or something, eh? Damn Cheetos.
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Personaly, I've always adviced people who haven't seen any Star Wars film to watch first the original trilogy, and then the prequels.
Just for the "I am your father" plot, I think it's best to don't know that Vader is Luke's father before seeing the original trilogy.
Just my point of view...
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"Why does ObiWan call him Darth Vader in Episode IV, and when he called him Anakin throughout the Duel in Episode III, when he was clearly Darth Vader by then?"

Because he didn't realize how truly far gone Anakin was at that point.

Other than that, I can understand the sentiment of these. Sure, it's really easy to go on a message board and discuss these issues ad nauseum until someone makes sense of them (either through screenplays, interviews, or EU), but on their own, there's a lot of information that just falls through cracks to the casual viewer (i.e. kids.)

I'm not going to force my kids to watch it one way or another - although, I've not played it myself in some time. At some point, I'm probably going to make a no-frills transfer of the X0 cap and use that for casual viewing, so unless my kids ask me to put the PT in, it'll probably stay on the shelf (though I've not gotten ROTS yet, but for the record, my daughter did not enjoy watching it in the theater.)

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Originally posted by: CO
I was reading a thread on the force.net, and I am starting to notice a trend of newcomers that watch the saga, the so called way Lucas says we are suppose to watch it now, 1-6, is making Episode IV worse!

They watch 1-3, and love all the flash, the fast lightsaber duels, the new CG special effects, and watch it as the story of Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader, and the rise of Palpatine to The Emperor.

When they get to Episode IV, all of the sudden they are asking question that Lucas obviously didn't address when he made the movie back in 1977.

Where is The Emperor, he is the star of the prequels, and he is mentioned in one line in the movie?

Where is the inner thoughts of Vader about his loss of his wife, and why is the whole movie really not about him?

Why is the lightsaber battle so slow, and really nothing comparable to the prequels?

Why is the score totally different, except for the opening crawl, and just seems disjointed compared to the other three?

Why when they go to hyperspace, do they not go into that circle, and then go to hyperspace like the prequels?

Why does ObiWan call him Darth Vader in Episode IV, and when he called him Anakin throughout the Duel in Episode III, when he was clearly Darth Vader by then?

Why do the special effects seem so inferior when it is 20 years later in the saga?

All these questions have a simple answer: The movie was made in 1977, and Lucas didn't think have half of these ideas in mind when making the original Star Wars!

This is Exhibit A why a newcomer should watch the saga 4-6, then 1-3. All of these questions are constantly being asked through the movie, but don't need to, cause it was made as a single movie at the time. You should watch Episode IV first, enjoy it for it was : A space adventure about good vs. evil, and focus on Luke, Han, & Leia, because they are the true heroes of the movie. A person who watched 1-3 first, keeps focusing on Darth Vader, and his character isn't given ample screentime that it would today if Lucas would have made them with the true intenion of the saga being about Darth Vader.

You should watch Episode IV, and if you want more Star Wars, then be shown 5 & 6, and then you will understand this is a bigger story than what you saw in the original, but you won't be tainted for stuff to look for that just isn't there. And if you want more, there is a backstory that was filmed 20 years later, and it looks different cause of technology, even the Yoda character is different looking, but it is a backstory and it will give you many answers about Darth Vader you may have been wondering.

My ass that the saga should be watched 1-6! By Lucas putting this silly order in the heads of the new fans, he has now screwed up the one movie that is a classic they HE directed, The Original Star Wars.

GOOD JOB GEORGE!


I feel your pain, CO. Many of us feel your pain. Good points on all.
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easily remedied, forget the special editions and the prequels, and the 2004 dvd. Watch the real original trilogy the faces or definitive collection transfers on dvd or watch the laserdiscs, problem solved. Too bad we are'nt droids like threepio because we could all use a selective memory wipe to forget the prequels, and fake cgi ruined trilogy.

Speaking of these dumb kids, are they not the same ones who thought the tolkien books were based on peter jackson's lotr trilogy, then complained it was not the same?

The same ones who waste there time of day in class, pissing off there teachers playing text messaging while listening to there ipods, or talking on the cell phone. Complete idiocy.

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Originally posted by: Kaal-Jhyy
Personaly, I've always adviced people who haven't seen any Star Wars film to watch first the original trilogy, and then the prequels.
Just for the "I am your father" plot, I think it's best to don't know that Vader is Luke's father before seeing the original trilogy.
Just my point of view...


also: Yoda and Chewbacca are homies from back in tha day? WTF??? surely you jest, mister lucas.
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I fully support Lucas' dream of everyone seeing them in order. The story contains so much more depth when all six are seen in order. So many things begin to make sense and come together. The difference ineffects doesn't bother me. Lucas himself once said the difference in effects works well as a way of showing how boring and plain everything had become, under the oppression of the empire.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
I fully support Lucas' dream of everyone seeing them in order. The story contains so much more depth when all six are seen in order. So many things begin to make sense and come together. The difference ineffects doesn't bother me. Lucas himself once said the difference in effects works well as a way of showing how boring and plain everything had become, under the oppression of the empire.


Its too noticable the effects difference for me to show how "boring and plain" as George says unfortunatley, I cant believe everything became that screwed after 20 years of the Empires oppression, thats why George should have taken less time between making the trilogies I feel


Thats one of the reasons 1-6 as "one film" will never work for me (3-6 maybe) or just the O.T as the main event and Ep 3 and the "others" as individual films. I would personally show any newcomers the O.T first then maybe the prequels(any newcomers I know prefer the O.T anyway)


Yes Star Wars is screwed for newcomers and for younger people as CO says because of those issues he raiised and is proof to me that George never intended from the start for it to Darth Vaders story and because Star Wars was always a standalone movie until its success prompted George to add to his saga, but some of those that moan and say things about Star Wars havent got a real clue what they talking about, christ some of them are wondering why the Rebels didnt send 90 X-wings into the Battle of Yavin and the Empire didnt sent 90 Tie Fighters out to intercept them etc and want it added in the next Edition (trust me i read this rubbish),and probably think The Phantom Menace is the best Star Wars movie and havent clue about the importance of Star Wars and its ranking among the greatest films of all time.
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I have grown up with both trilogies, however, and see them as equal, and don't really have a problem with the effects work in ANH, ESB, and ROTJ. In fact, for me, the lack of effects in contrast with those in the prequels gives the OT films a much greater feeling of bleakness. This then makes the PT seem like much more of a glorious time. In fact, I don't think it would have worked as well, if Lucas had made them in order. Instead of giving the (what are now) OT films that bleak, simple feeling they now have, he would have made the CG effects greater and greater up until the end of ROTJ. They would have, in my opinion, actually lost the great effect they have on me and others, if they were actually made in order. I mean, think of it, you see these great incredible places in the PT, and then all of a sudden, things look sad and dull, all the color is gone from things. Things are so grey and black and white, and very bland colors. However, if you'll notice, as the OT goes along, things get brighter, more colorful, until we reach Endor, an earth-like planet. Then we see Coruscant agin, and we know things are finally going to be better for everyone. It's brilliant the way they are now, if you ask me. Have you noticed how Lucas chose to open the saga in TPM with the first planet you see being Naboo, and then the very last planet you see in the final film in the saga, Endor, is also earth-like? Interesting.
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I think they should be viewed in this order...

IV, V, VI, III, II, I

That way you still get the impact of the 'mysterious' back story of Darth Vader / Anakin throughout all 6 films. Progressively the films get worse and worse, but is that not how sequels usually go? Then the huge dissappointment doesn't come untill the very end.
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I for one have never thought of the special effects in the original trilogy as "bleak, dull, and colorless." I have never been watching the original Star Wars and thought, "You know, they really need more CG explosions and flying ships right about here." I think it has as many special effects as it needs. I mean, come one! They spend the beginning of the movie in a backwoods desert for crying out loud! And then the second third of the movie is in hallways of a command station. Not really much of a need for visual effects beyond blaster fire and lightsabers, is there? And then there's the Yavin battle with so many optical effects that it made Alec Guiness's head spin. And I assume you're only talking about the first movie as being too sparse as far as special effects because Empire and Return are chock full of them without being overdone. Love to see the prequels attempt that kind of balance.

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The only real change, as far as effects go, that I would like to see to ANH, is to make the Tantive IV CG to match up with ROTS. The other ships might need work too, but ESB and ROTJ had the perfect balance of effects, in my opinion. What I meant by "bleak" was when comparing it to the beautiful effects and scenery of the PT.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
The only real change, as far as effects go, that I would like to see to ANH, is to make the Tantive IV CG to match up with ROTS. The other ships might need work too, but ESB and ROTJ had the perfect balance of effects, in my opinion. What I meant by "bleak" was when comparing it to the beautiful effects and scenery of the PT.


you mean he should change ROTS's Tantive IV to match up with ANH...

its supposed to look like the one in ANH.... ROTS came after that and therefore broke the continuity...
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No, you saw what I wrote. He should change the old ANH model Tantive IV to match up the the cool CG model they used for ROTS.
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In all fairness, being there are 20 years between RotS and ANH, it'c conceivable that the Tantive IV got an exterior paint job.
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if you really think about it, didn't lucas want things to look old and used when they did ANH? He made everything look new and shiny in the PT so it follows the idea that things wear down over time and with use; and they do get new paint jobs over time too.
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Well, I'm merely saying that it would tie the two movies together well. The ROTS Tantive IV is a cool looking ship... It's just that so many shots in ANH look quite dated.
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It is so ironic that we discuss topics like this on a message board whose original purpose was spurring the preservation of the Star Wars films as they once were...
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Not so ironic when you consider that only one person is arguing for the change, and everyone else is just feeding the troll.

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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I for one have never thought of the special effects in the original trilogy as "bleak, dull, and colorless." I have never been watching the original Star Wars and thought, "You know, they really need more CG explosions and flying ships right about here." I think it has as many special effects as it needs. I mean, come one! They spend the beginning of the movie in a backwoods desert for crying out loud! And then the second third of the movie is in hallways of a command station. Not really much of a need for visual effects beyond blaster fire and lightsabers, is there? And then there's the Yavin battle with so many optical effects that it made Alec Guiness's head spin. And I assume you're only talking about the first movie as being too sparse as far as special effects because Empire and Return are chock full of them without being overdone. Love to see the prequels attempt that kind of balance.


I contend that the PT can not rightly claim to contain any 'special effects'. To begin with, most of the movie is a 'special effect', thus rendering it un-special. Secondly, if you walk out of a movie theatre saying 'the special effects were great', they have already failed to serve their purpose.
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Ouch.

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<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

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<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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yeaaaahhhhhhno. Plenty of people walk out of great movies going "the effects were GREAT" doesn't mean the movie didn't do it's job. you'd have to be sorta mentally impaired or something to leave a great effects movie going "I wonder how they strapped that camera to the spaceship to get those shots like that. I wonder how many spaceships they blew up to make that documentary!"

A lot of people only went to Star Wars in 77 BECAUSE it had great effects, and that's it. It was fascinating at the time for people to see something that far ahead of the curve as far as visuals went. I guarantee you people left the theater going "GREAT special effects."
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