Was Tarkin the main villain in Star Wars? — Page 2

The officers higher ranked than Vader were all on the Death Star. Subsequently taken to death in the explosion. See what happened was that they wanted coffee. The Death Star was equipped with the top of the line coffee shop. Best EVAR!!! Urns high praise. (Just don't walk in with any life preservers) Anyway the whole chase after the rebels thing happened, they were busy watching a movie in the cineplex, boom death star blew up. They thought they were safe considering they were on a starship that could obliterate an entire planet, all the security personnel around to protect them, and whatnot....


(Stuff I just made up w/out thinking too much about it. Enjoy! )

Twisters theory is actually pretty cool :)

tarkin probably have had more governing responsibilities. but as far as hidden power and, more importantly, from a cinematic perspective vader was the main villain.  Forget the force powers, the scary breathing and all the merchandising - He almost single-handedly took down the entire rebel assault on the death star (perhaps this was the first clue that anakin and vader were the same person). 

lucas in his 2004 DVD commentaries saying "vader was never supposed to be powerful villain, he was a pathetic character" disgusted me beyond belief.  i wasn't fooled (nor surprised) by this at all and knew right away that lucas' real reason for saying this was because he knew he botched the ressurection scene in episode III and was pre-emptively trying to spin it; knowing full well it was anticipated to be the climactic moment in the entire PT.  Its no different than all his other "well, it wasn't supposed to be this, it was meant to be that way all along" talking points.  lets see how many interviews prior to 1995 did lucas say "vader is a pathetic character! he's lame!! loser! limp! wimp!!".  and no, tragic is NOT the same as pathetic.

sadly, apologists on TFN bought into it and started turning over rocks trying to find things in the OT to justify it.  I mean, for cripes sake, he's a giant guy dressed in black and the camera shows a CLOESUP of him lifting someone off of the ground! lucas doesn't do multi-facted characters with ambiguities.  When you want a pathetic character, do you really want james frickin earl jones to do the voice!? 

In the end, I still liked the resurrection scene cuz...well, even lucas cant ruin vader.  and when that helmet came on - that was the kiler shot.  But as reports from sneak previews were pouring in about how bad this scene was, it didn't surprise me at all.  and lucas again blabbing on "he's pathetic! he's pathetic!!  nobody likes him!! palpatine is bummed out he has a broken down sidekick!! its supposed to be like this!! i had it planned exactly like this in 1977!!!"  um, yeah sure.  palpatine was so disspointed that he smiled when vader broke from his restraints.

[/rant over]  (do people still say '/rant over' ?)

anyway, was still cool seeing tarkin in episode III.  but the fact that he was just a cameo i think strengthens the argument that the empire ws palpatine first, vader second.

Yeah, Lucas was such a brilliant director, that he was able to get the characters to act as if they had a particular backstory without their even knowing such a backstory existed.  In fact, he was such an insanely brilliant director, that he was able to get the characters to act as if they had a particular backstory without even HE knowing such a backstory existed!  The greatest, most subtle and ingenious mind in the history of all time!

darth_ender said:

Finally watching the Bast/Vader scene last week without HS dubbing, and that is actually a really cool scene.  It undermines Tarkin's authority to a great degree, and really would have affected my perspective had it been included in the final film.

 hmm...you mean this scene? not sure how it shows undermining - unless it just means vader is ignoring a request from tarkin to call off the search and he went ahead anyways

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nuHNBY9vMg

darth_ender said:

darth_ender said:

That is the right scene with the wrong audio.  It was cut from the original film, then used in the Star Wars Holiday Special with new dubbing, which is what you have in that video there.  I will try to find the right audio for you.

 Found it (obviously flipped):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG3tGmUeZA4

 thanks

hmm....that is interesting.  normally i view cuts as 'out of sight out of mind'..but i sometimes make exceptions for character development (even if the guy was only in the movie for like a minute)

certainly doesn't care much for tarkin.  then again, maybe he was just trying to curry favor with vader.

[guffaws] man..now everytime i see that scene with tarkin scoffing at his suggestion for evacuation, im gonna picture in my mind that guy thinking "suit yourself, asshole" and then taking the ship for himself!! bwaahahahahaha