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Was George Lucas a trickster the whole time?

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I have a question that has been going around in my mind: Did GL create SW just to destroy it over the course of 20+ years, tricking millions into loving a franchise, and them pushing them into misery with the SE and the prequels?

I think that Lucas always wanted to destroy the originals, but decided to wait over the course of 20 years in order to bring people into the SW tent, then withdraw the originals and replace them with PTSE as we know it today. Something this sinister could have come from Lucas. And with the certainty of losing the OOT in all but fan preservations, I think that Lucas was a fraud the whole time, probably cheated his way through USC, made people believe he was a genius when he was not, and then make others miserable and getting away with it because he is a billionaire (and probably the least deserving one in history). I am firmly convinced he has no soul and probably showed sociopathic behavior as a child.

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No, he wasn't.  In his youth, he was a deeply sincere filmmaker, and a gifted one at that.  We wouldn't be on this forum otherwise.

Seriously frevious, your shtick is quite tiresome.

That’s impossible, even for a computer.

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Did he tell you that? Can you honestly say to me that the man behind the prequel trilogy, the man who considers filmmaking just shooting in front of a blue screen with two cameras, as a sincere filmmaker? I want you to watch thx and American grafitti, then the prequels, and tell me the difference. The short answer is that there is none.

He wants to destroy the theatrical cuts of star wars, empire, and Jedi. That's why we're here.

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Are you a self-parody?

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Actually, he did exactly that. You see at all dates back to the 1960s when JF Kennedy was killed, when this idea occured to George Lucas. He was so inspired by the nationwide despair that he wanted his opus magnum to be at least equally disapointing. While you all are made to see the original trilogy and his earlier movies as George's idea of art, his artistical crusade is still going on with this slow and painful process of destroying what everybody loved which would inevitably lead to a New World Order (similarily named SW book series are a clue supporting this). That is where the big pharmaceutical companies come to the picture. They are using the Prequel Trilogy to brainwash us. It is no big secret that most of the PT CGI was funded by the guy who invented aspirin. If you want to prevent jihaad and save all that you hold dear, you will listen to generalfrievous, because he got it right. 

Gotta go, I think they are after me.

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Wexter said:

Actually, he did exactly that. You see at all dates back to the 1960s when JF Kennedy was killed, when this idea occured to George Lucas. He was so inspired by the nationwide despair that he wanted his opus magnum to be at least equally disapointing. While you all are made to see the original trilogy and his earlier movies as George's idea of art, his artistical crusade is still going on with this slow and painful process of destroying what everybody loved which would inevitably lead to a New World Order (similarily named SW book series are a clue supporting this). That is where the big pharmaceutical companies come to the picture. They are using the Prequel Trilogy to brainwash us. It is no big secret that most of the PT CGI was funded by the guy who invented aspirin. If you want to prevent jihaad and save all that you hold dear, you will listen to generalfrievous, because he got it right. 

Gotta go, I think they are after me.

You're wrong wrong wrong! It's all a genious scheme orchestrated by the reverse vampires. You'll see!

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There's only one true Trickster...

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Where were you in '77?

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generalfrevious said:

...with PTSE as we know it today.

Post-Traumatic Special Edition?

Since they're like poetry, what with the rhyming and all, I find that I only need to watch three out of the six films.

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...because George knew back in the mid '70s that home video would be a big thing some day.

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We just need to figure out how do free masons fit into it all...

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Leonardo said:

Wexter said:

Actually, he did exactly that. You see at all dates back to the 1960s when JF Kennedy was killed, when this idea occured to George Lucas. He was so inspired by the nationwide despair that he wanted his opus magnum to be at least equally disapointing. While you all are made to see the original trilogy and his earlier movies as George's idea of art, his artistical crusade is still going on with this slow and painful process of destroying what everybody loved which would inevitably lead to a New World Order (similarily named SW book series are a clue supporting this). That is where the big pharmaceutical companies come to the picture. They are using the Prequel Trilogy to brainwash us. It is no big secret that most of the PT CGI was funded by the guy who invented aspirin. If you want to prevent jihaad and save all that you hold dear, you will listen to generalfrievous, because he got it right. 

Gotta go, I think they are after me.

You're wrong wrong wrong! It's all a genious scheme orchestrated by the reverse vampires. You'll see!

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generalfrevious said:

I have a question that has been going around in my mind: Did GL create SW just to destroy it over the course of 20+ years, tricking millions into loving a franchise, and them pushing them into misery with the SE and the prequels?

I think that Lucas always wanted to destroy the originals, but decided to wait over the course of 20 years in order to bring people into the SW tent, then withdraw the originals and replace them with PTSE as we know it today. Something this sinister could have come from Lucas. And with the certainty of losing the OOT in all but fan preservations, I think that Lucas was a fraud the whole time, probably cheated his way through USC, made people believe he was a genius when he was not, and then make others miserable and getting away with it because he is a billionaire (and probably the least deserving one in history). I am firmly convinced he has no soul and probably showed sociopathic behavior as a child.

Disturbing... I think the only one showing signs of sociopathic behavoir here is unfortunately yourself. I don't post here as often as I'd like like due to health issues, but I read the forums when I can. It's evident from what I've read that you're absolutely obsessed with George Lucas as someone who's evil. Who on earth would create a grand plan to create a film then destroy it BY DESIGN, just to piss people off because Lucas 'has no soul' and wanted to push 'fans into misery'?!!! Listen to yourself! Absolute clap-trap and it's getting kind of annoying reading it to be honest! Sorry but posts like these DO give fans a bad name. Geez I actually feel sorry for Lucas right now after reading this nonsense!!!

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I think George was clueless to the possibilities of home cinema.

He was very slow and pained to release the Star Wars films on video and DVD.

For a guy who is meant to be a pioneer of digital cinema he showed a huge lack of foresight when he filmed the PT with such low resolution (which now means that AOTC and ROTS blu-rays are probably on par with any future theatrical release, especially if it's going to be 3D).

He showed an interest in the 3D conversion process from day one but only put an example a few days ago and then after putting out the blu-ray discs not realising that that would undermine any chance that theatrical run had.

If he was in any way savvy when it came to the home cinema market he would have maximised his profits by putting out pristine set of all cuts of the films AFTER the 3D theatrical run.

That way the theatrical release could have been used as a giant advert for the home cinema release instead of the home cinema release rendering the theatrical release redundant to a large share of his target audience.

I don't think he even cuts the mustard as a man of business anymore let alone as a film maker.

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7FN said:

generalfrevious said:

I have a question that has been going around in my mind: Did GL create SW just to destroy it over the course of 20+ years, tricking millions into loving a franchise, and them pushing them into misery with the SE and the prequels?

I think that Lucas always wanted to destroy the originals, but decided to wait over the course of 20 years in order to bring people into the SW tent, then withdraw the originals and replace them with PTSE as we know it today. Something this sinister could have come from Lucas. And with the certainty of losing the OOT in all but fan preservations, I think that Lucas was a fraud the whole time, probably cheated his way through USC, made people believe he was a genius when he was not, and then make others miserable and getting away with it because he is a billionaire (and probably the least deserving one in history). I am firmly convinced he has no soul and probably showed sociopathic behavior as a child.

Disturbing... I think the only one showing signs of sociopathic behavoir here is unfortunately yourself. I don't post here as often as I'd like like due to health issues, but I read the forums when I can. It's evident from what I've read that you're absolutely obsessed with George Lucas as someone who's evil. Who on earth would create a grand plan to create a film then destroy it BY DESIGN, just to piss people off because Lucas 'has no soul' and wanted to push 'fans into misery'?!!! Listen to yourself! Absolute clap-trap and it's getting kind of annoying reading it to be honest! Sorry but posts like these DO give fans a bad name. Geez I actually feel sorry for Lucas right now after reading this nonsense!!!

George Lucas is not a rational person; irrational people can do something as nonsensical as destroy a film by design because I think the GL has a vendetta against other people. I cannot understand why GL refuses to release/restore the OOT time and time again, has contempt for the very same people that have made him a billionaire many times over, or why he keeps changing the films every couple of years with nonsensical additions. There isn't even a print of the original films in the library of congress anymore, despite ANH and ESB being listed in the national film registry. It seems he wants to let the originals rot.

 

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^THIS

 

Or he is in fact an alien agent.

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generalfrevious said:


George Lucas is not a rational person; irrational people can do something as nonsensical as destroy a film by design because I think the GL has a vendetta against other people. I cannot understand why GL refuses to release/restore the OOT time and time again, has contempt for the very same people that have made him a billionaire many times over, or why he keeps changing the films every couple of years with nonsensical additions. There isn't even a print of the original films in the library of congress anymore, despite ANH and ESB being listed in the national film registry. It seems he wants to let the originals rot.

 

so, let him do what he wants, and move on.

yeah, its sad, life is tough, and unfair. so be it.

 

are you going to keep griping about it for the rest of

your life, or are you going to join the people doing

something about it, and see what really can be done

to help preserve and restore it?

 

your choice. and years later you'll still be here

saying the same thing. its been 6 years and 892

posts so far for you, and not one thing has changed

in you. it's not too late you know. there is a new hope.

 

hey, i thought you like did once, but not anymore.

 

 

later

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Lucas is like pretty much everyone: he's making things as he goes. He just has a big ego (like pretty much everyone... but bigger!)

There was no Lucas plan to "destroy Star Wars 20 years ago". That just sounds like a bad conspiracy theory without real fondations and common sense.

 

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I disagree with the OP. But...

George Lucas thought that Star Wars was just going to be another movie in a long line of films he would make. Like he has said before, he hoped it would make enough money so he could make his next movie. He never thought it would be his legacy, and probably never wanted it to be. So on some level he must resent Star Wars at least a little.

The success of Star Wars also set him on a path that contributed to the dissolution of his marriage and the loss of a huge part of his fortune. 

I think at one point he really wanted to make the prequels - you know, the one's about Obi wan Kenobi's hubris resulting in the seduction of Anakin Skywalker to the darkside and the eventual fall of the Republic. It's too bad those movies never got make

I think by the time the 90s rolled around he was lukewarm on the idea of prequels. It had been a longtime after all. What got him excited again for them again was, unfortunately, the special effects revolution exemplified in Jurassic Park. Coupled with the success of Heir to the Empire and it's sequels, George must have released that Star Wars was still a goldmine that was not being tapped and could help rebuild his fortune. "And why shouldn't it?", George must have thought. "I made people really happy with these films. Don't I have a right to profit from them?" So ultimately the entire prequel trilogy does not work because:

  1. It tells the wrong story
  2. overemphasis on CG special effects
  3. they were made for the sake of making money first and foremost

 

 

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have a 20 year plan to destroy the OOT? dont think so. doing things to spite the fans is just an added luxury to satisfy his life-long childish urges.

very mindful of how enormous the star wars franchise was and carefully planning to consolidate power and cultivate as large and sycophantic fan base as he possibly could in order to maximize box office and licensing revenue? absolutely. 

But this also only came about a few years after ROTJ when none of his other movies were hits (except indiana jones) and he was forced into giving marcia her fair share of the revenue.

click here if lack of OOT got you down

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generalfrevious said:

 Can you honestly say to me that the man behind the prequel trilogy, the man who considers filmmaking just shooting in front of a blue screen with two cameras, as a sincere filmmaker?

 There's nothing wrong with shooting in front of a green screen with two cameras. I've seen lots of great stuff shot both ways.