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Wallace & Gromit in "The Wrong Trousers" - Original Audio Preservation — Page 3

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Glad to be so enlightening!

The HD version is only 3.96 GB but it’s gonna take another two hours to upload (my internet…). It’s at 25 fps.

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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Oh, I remember the original audio, I had a recording on tape of it! Where can I find this?

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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Dek Rollins said:

I didn’t think there were multiple HD sources. Is the AUS Blu-ray actually a different source than the 2009 release?

I have this:

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Wallace-and-Gromit-The-Complete-Collection-Blu-ray/5984/

The AUS 2016 Blu Ray was resourced from the original film negatives and maintained the original 25fps framerate, whereas the 2009 Blu Ray which is currently available in UK and US had the first 3 shorts slowed down to 24fps.

Another thing worth mentioning about the AUS Blu Ray (and I believe the original 2009 BD) is A Close Shave has been cropped to 16:9 wheres when originally broadcast on BBC1 back in 1995 and on my 2005 PAL DVD, it’s 4:3 open matte.

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They’re asking if they use the same transfer. If they do, then the US bluray is the one worth working from, as it’s 1080p progressive and can be sped up to 25fps easily, whereas the AUS BD would have to be deinterlaced. (the BD spec only allows 25/50fps in an interlaced form.)

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That is exactly what I did. Changed the frame rate from 24 to 25 with tsmuxer and edited from that.

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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ElectricTriangle said:

They’re asking if they use the same transfer. If they do, then the US bluray is the one worth working from, as it’s 1080p progressive and can be sped up to 25fps easily, whereas the AUS BD would have to be deinterlaced. (the BD spec only allows 25/50fps in an interlaced form.)

True, but if the source is truly progressive, then the 1080i50 stream will be identical to what a 1080p25 would’ve been if it were a permitted format. If there is any hint of interlacing (such as scrolling credits) then it would’ve been intended on the original version. There would be no interlacing created by making it 1080i50,unlike NTSC would have.

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Dek’s restoration is great! Thanks for all your hard work. I’m not that experienced or knowledgeable with things like interlacing or anything like that but the 24-25fps conversion was great. I just figured the native 1080i50 source would have been better to work with from a purist standpoint but this current preservation will certainly do for now. Thanks again. 😄

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Pepsi said:

Just listening to the official soundtrack of the opening theme to A Grand Day Out, the speed/pitch matches that of the Blu-ray, so wouldn’t that mean the Blu runs at the correct speed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHEkTnFPR0Y

Was the soundtrack ever offically released?

I did a search for the soundtrack on YouTube myself and found this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDw40l-hsas

In the description, the uploader said he had to speed the audio up (from a source uploaded previously by another user) by 4% to make it accurate. Maybe that link you found was sourced directly from one of the 24fps Blu Ray audio?

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alloneword said:

Pepsi said:

Just listening to the official soundtrack of the opening theme to A Grand Day Out, the speed/pitch matches that of the Blu-ray, so wouldn’t that mean the Blu runs at the correct speed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHEkTnFPR0Y

Was the soundtrack ever offically released?

I did a search for the soundtrack on YouTube myself and found this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDw40l-hsas

In the description, the uploader said he had to speed the audio up (from a source uploaded previously by another user) by 4% to make it accurate. Maybe that link you found was sourced directly from one of the 24fps Blu Ray audio?

I have no idea, i just assumed it was but can’t find anything of it. But the theme sounds more correct with the audio sped up in the linked video.

The strange thing is though on the most recent showing of The Wrong Trousers on the BBC, it matched that of the Blu-ray audio, with the slowed down pitch, so even they are showing the incorrect version!

I have the Blu-ray, so just wondering how i can rip those files and correct the speed/pitch? I do have a Blu-ray drive.

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I decided to start watching one of the uploads on Youtube, and I noticed the change in music immediately. It bugs me.

I’d like to get a copy with the original audio.

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Dek Rollins said:

^ Is there any particular significance to that recording?

No, I Just Found The Altered Version Recently, And It Has Nothing To Do With The Original, But It Its The Version That Was Seen On DVD And Blu-Ray For The UK And Australia.

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The altered version is the only version available on DVD and Blu-ray in any country. That’s why I made this project.

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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Could you please make a video comparing both versions of this short?

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Dek Rollins said:

The altered version is the only version available on DVD and Blu-ray in any country. That’s why I made this project.

Hi there, I just made an account to finally help in.
I do have the 1999 CBS/FOX US DVD release of the W&G trilogy and I can confirm that the original unaltered soundtrack for The Wrong Trousers is present in this release. Also to confirm, the fps is still slowed down from 25 to 23.976 on A Grand Day Out and Wrong Trousers, except for A Close Shave. These are the same masters used as the mid-90 US VHS releases by CBS/FOX.

I have ripped the DVD using MakeMKV, then brought the MKV to VirtualDub and exported the audio as a WAV, using FLAC. Please PM me if you want the original audio, DVD quality. I would like to see a BD version of The Wrong Trousers but has the original audio since you’re on to that, sadly I don’t have a BD copy of the W&G shorts yet. Since this is DVD quality audio, there shouldn’t be any buzzing or degradation such as audio in a TV broadcast, especially analog TV.

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d00mb0yz96 said:

Dek Rollins said:

The altered version is the only version available on DVD and Blu-ray in any country. That’s why I made this project.

Hi there, I just made an account to finally help in.
I do have the 1999 CBS/FOX US DVD release of the W&G trilogy and I can confirm that the original unaltered soundtrack for The Wrong Trousers is present in this release. Also to confirm, the fps is still slowed down from 25 to 29.976 on A Grand Day Out and Wrong Trousers, except for A Close Shave. These are the same masters used as the mid-90 US VHS releases by CBS/FOX.

I’m aware of that release. In the post you’re quoting, I was referring to all DVD and Blu-ray releases still available today.

I have ripped the DVD using MakeMKV, then brought the MKV to VirtualDub and exported the audio as a WAV, using FLAC. Please PM me if you want the original audio, DVD quality. I would like to see a BD version of The Wrong Trousers but has the original audio since you’re on to that, sadly I don’t have a BD copy of the W&G shorts yet. Since this is DVD quality audio, there shouldn’t be any buzzing or degradation such as audio in a TV broadcast, especially analog TV.

The TV broadcast doesn’t have any buzzing (it was a digital recording I believe, not analog), but I’d be interested in that audio regardless. Thanks for bringing this up, as I couldn’t find the 1999 DVD anywhere!

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Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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With the DVD audio source in hand thanks to d00mb0yz96, I figured it was a good excuse to make a new, more complete version of this preservation. So this time around I synced it to the Blu-ray copy properly, at 25fps of course.

My old HD preservation had the BBC logo stuck in at the beginning, and the end credits had to be patched in from the altered DVD audio track. Now the entire short uses the original track via the 1999 DVD, with the only thing added from the altered track being the Aardman logo audio at the beginning, as the 1999 DVD doesn’t include any logos before the short. The opening BBC logo was left out to retain sync with the Blu-ray, since the 1999 DVD only has it at the end anyway. I found it quite a relief that there are no frame differences between the Blu-ray and the 1999 DVD, so no edits had to be made to the DVD audio at all.

I’ve also included the Blu-ray commentary track, adjusted to match the 25fps frame rate. I don’t know what the correct pitch is for the voice overs, but the audio from the short in this track matches the standard Blu-ray track, so I pitch corrected it on that basis. I also added the audio from the BBC logo at the end of the short for consistency.

This is a 4.14GB MKV. Both audio tracks are available separately as well, for those who want to correct the frame rate of their own Blu-ray copy and simply mux the audio in.

As always, drop me a PM for links.

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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Would be people be interested in a speed/pitch corrected edition of A Grand Day Out? Also, if I were to include speed corrections of both other shorts as bonuses with this preservation, would people prefer I use the cropped Blu-ray of A Close Shave to keep it HD, or just use a DVD video source to keep the proper aspect ratio?

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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If you want to slow it to 24fps, you can slow the audio down by encoding it like this:

ffmpeg -loglevel error -stats -n -i “The Wrong Trousers HD v2.mkv” -vn -sn -af asetrate=46080,aresample=48000 -c:a aac -b:a 192k -vbr 5 “The Wrong Trousers HD v2.mka”

And just remux it with the video in mkvtoolnix, de-selecting the original audio, and setting the video frame rate to 24fps.

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NewClear said:

If you want to slow it to 24fps, you can slow the audio down by encoding it like this:

ffmpeg -loglevel error -stats -n -i “The Wrong Trousers HD v2.mkv” -vn -sn -af asetrate=46080,aresample=48000 -c:a aac -b:a 192k -vbr 5 “The Wrong Trousers HD v2.mka”

And just remux it with the video in mkvtoolnix, de-selecting the original audio, and setting the video frame rate to 24fps.

I’m not well versed in ffmpeg, does this operation keep the correct audio pitch? I assume you’re posting this for the benefit of those who want to keep their file BD-compliant.

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.