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WHY we like the things we like (and why we don't that which we don't)

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So... this isn't ground breaking philosophy or anything... but here it goes.

A coworker who hated last week's episode of Lost asked me if I also hated it.  I told him I did not and asked what he hated about it.  He rattled off a list of things I could understand even if I didn't ultimately agree...  Then he turned the tables on me and asked what I liked about it.  I felt like a deer in headlights.  Actually, more like those kids on Apple Jacks commercials in the 90s that were just confronted with the fact that the cereal doesn't, in fact, taste like apples (or "jacks" presumably).  I, like the kids in the commerical, eventually setteled on "I just did, alright?!  ALRIGHT!?!?".  Since this guy kind of works for me, he noted my raised voice and agitation... agreed with me... apologized and then bowed and backed down the hallway back to his desk.

It left me thinking for the rest of the day, however: if you can't justify why you liked something... can you really say you liked it?  And, to cut to the chase, I think you definitely can.  I think we "like" things, generally speaking, based on the degree of our emotional response.  It's often hard to explain or describe our emotional responses, so it's easier to list the ways we "rationally" responded to it, and so we often do that in it's place.  Regarding the Lost episode (or Star Wars, or my wife, or the 100 other things I like but can't quite explain why) there were definitely things I liked ABOUT it, and things that I admired and thought were well done... but when tempted to offer these items to my obediant underling as some kind of "cause" for my emotional response... well... not one item or combination of them felt like proper justification.  Just like his litany of things he didn't like didn't compell me to fall on the "didn't like" side of conclusion. 

It did make me think that I like everything unless I don't.  What I mean by that is that I'm emotionaly expecting to like something and I will as long as I don't have rational reasons not to. 

ASIDE: I used to work shifts with a guy (we'll call him Joe (for that was his name)) who wanted to know what we had in common.  I told him I liked movies and he decided that was it!  He liked movies too!  Since that was out of the way, we then started discussing what movies we both liked.  It was 2004 and I ran down some of the geek favourites: Star Wars, Matrix, Lord of the Rings, Terminator, Aliens, etc...  He just stared at me and told me they were all aweful and he couldn't believe I was part of "the unwashed masses problem" and I was part of the reason theses movies made money AND his life miserable.  I continued to offer up other movies I liked and he shot them all down.  Eventually I asked him what movies he liked... He named some older movies, all prior to 1980 if I remember correctly.  I asked him to name a movie produced within the past 10 years that he liked.  He racked his brain and came up blank (that's actually not true.  We both really liked Matchstick Men, but we had already covered that at this point in time.)  He concluded: "In the past 10 years?  I didn't like any of them!  They were all terrible!"  At this juncture, I recommended to Joe that he cease telling other people that he "liked movies."  He may like a movie, here and there, but on the whole- he, in fact, did not like them.  I, on the other hand, like movies.  There are many that I don't like.   But, in gerenal, I like movies.

(back to my previous paragraph)

It did make me think that I like everything unless I don't.  What I mean by that is that I'm emotionaly expecting to like something and I will as long as I don't have rational reasons not to.  So, when I actually come out of something thinking/feeling that I did not like it- I can list the rational reasons that kept from my default behaviour- "liking it."  But I've decided that's not true either.  I think it goes back to the raw emotional response.  Sometimes it's good.  Sometimes it's bad.  But I think it's somehow easier in our minds to list the negative rational things about something/someone we don't like and call that the "cause" of our dissatisfaction than it is to do the converse.

Ultimately, this is my review of RedLetterMedia's Phantom Menace review.  He goes into insane detail to rationally pick apart the logic, story, sense, etc. of the movie.  90% of what he goes into, I never considered.  Once he brings it up, I readily agree with his point and throw it on the pile of my grievances against the movie... but it's really all unneccesary.  I simply hate the movie.

And I don't have to explain why... even if it doesn't taste like apples... I JUST DO.

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

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"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

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xhonzi said:

Regarding the Lost episode (or Star Wars, or my wife, or the 100 other things I like but can't quite explain why)...

I hope for your sake your wife isn't on the forum...

xhonzi said:

Ultimately, this is my review of RedLetterMedia's Phantom Menace review.  He goes into insane detail to rationally pick apart the logic, story, sense, etc. of the movie.  90% of what he goes into, I never considered.  Once he brings it up, I readily agree with his point and throw it on the pile of my grievances against the movie... but it's really all unneccesary.  I simply hate the movie.

I agree with you from the opposite end of the spectrum - I love TPM* despite knowing the flaws, and probably couldn't explain why I love TPM**.  And I didn't really care about RLM's actual review, I just liked the silly.  Not sure what I'm trying to say here, except I think you shouldn't have to defend what you like or don't like.  Unless you're trying to prove that you are right,lol.

*To clarify, I love a few TPM fanedits, which get rid of much awfulness.  I can't sit through the original TPM.

**Again, to clairfy, the original TPM sux. k thx.

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TV's Frink said:

xhonzi said:

Regarding the Lost episode (or Star Wars, or my wife, or the 100 other things I like but can't quite explain why)...

I hope for your sake your wife isn't on the forum...

 I've flat out told her this.  Let me get all gross and romantic for a minute, but I think that any of the qualities which I like about my wife could (and probably will eventually) change and I would still love her.  I don't love her for her qualities, but rather I simply love her and am really glad she has the good qualities she has.  For that makes being married to her more bearable.  But if I were to sit down and explain WHY I love her, or WHY I love my kids... I can list things I like about them... but there could be other people with the same qualities and I wouldn't give two darns about them.

In a way, it's nice because it's not based on merit, so you don't have to worry about screwing it up.  In another way, it's incredibly scary since you don't know what makes you love that other person, you can't be sure that it will always be there.  But after 8 years of marriage, I'm as in love with her as I've ever been and I can't imagine ever feeling differently.

Now it's officially a good thing my wife doesn't read these forums.  :)

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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TV's Frink said:

I agree with you from the opposite end of the spectrum - I love TPM* despite knowing the flaws

 Really?  What do you like about it?  ;)

 

Just kidding.

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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xhonzi said:

TV's Frink said:

I agree with you from the opposite end of the spectrum - I love TPM* despite knowing the flaws

 Really?  What do you like about it?

Mainly the hairstyles and the way they perfectly matched up the actors who played Boba and Jango Fett.

Wait...The Fetts were in AOTC, weren't they.  I guess just the hairstyles then.

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TV's Frink said:

Not sure what I'm trying to say here, except I think you shouldn't have to defend what you like or don't like.  Unless you're trying to prove that you are right,lol.

This is true.  I think most of the problem with explaining why we like (or dislike) something is that we are usually trying to convince them to like (or dislike) it as well.  I think we all feel like our friends should agree with us or have the same tastes, which is ultimately fruitless.  Most of the times, no one cares if we simply don't like something or if we have a dozen valid reasons why we don't.

Example: I don't like the movie Napeleon Dynamite.  At all.  Even if you had a thousand reasons why you liked it, it wouldn't change the fact that I don't.

More recently, I didn't like Juno or Inglorious Basterds.  You'd think I was some kind of outcast, the way my friends talked about how much they loved them.

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Yeah, I think this is the problem.

When you go against the common grain, you are expected to be able to explain yourself.  And if you can't, then you are actually a bigger idiot than before.

I think we also talk ourselves into things.  Someone asks why you like Phantom Menace... you settle on "the hair" which makes you sound like a fruit.  Someone comes right out (theoretically) and calls you a fruit.  But for the rest of your life you will believe you like Phantom Menace (which was crap (except for Ewan McDonald (who was excellent (he truly was!)))) because of the hair... but it's not true.  You know it doesn't taste like apples, but you JUST LIKE IT anyways. 

But the best part is when you crystalize your feelings into rational thought... and then you have other feelings that you crystalize into rational thought... but rational thoughts "A" don't mesh well with rational thoughts "B" and then your wife (hypothetically speaking) calls you out on it and calls you a hypocrite!  Yeah... that is the best part.

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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New game: find the VINH-bait!

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I don't like this thread.

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vote_for_palpatine said:

New game: find the VINH-bait!

That's easy...

 

The Prequel Trilogy (PT) is the BEST MOVIES EVER!

 

There!....now we wait.

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TV's Frink said:

Explain why.

I just don't. Do you have a problem with that Fink? Why don't you like the things you don't like? Man, get off my back about it! Don't I have a right to my own opinion? Wait... are you stalking me?

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Would you like it if I were to stalk you, CP3S?

btw, I like your hairstyle.

A LOT.

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WHOA WHAT THE FUCK MAN.

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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Guys. I can't tell you apart anymore.

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bkev said:

WHOA WHAT THE FUCK MAN.

bkev, you stay AWAY FROM HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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doubleofive said:

More recently, I didn't like Juno or Inglorious Basterds.  You'd think I was some kind of outcast, the way my friends talked about how much they loved them.

I know how you feel. I'm in college and I hate "Fight Club", "Boondock Saints" and "Donnie Darko". How's that for outcast? :P

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I thought everyone was supposed to like Fight Club and Boondock Saints. (Had no idea Donnie Darko was in that category)

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I liked Fight Club and Inglorious Basterds.

Hated Naked Lunch, though.

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TV's Frink said:

Would you like it if I were to stalk you, CP3S?

btw, I like your hairstyle.

A LOT.

No Fink, I wouldn't! I am sorry, but my heart belongs to the hansome Nabooian, Xhonzi. And besides, if I were to be unfaithful to xhonzi with anyone it would be the ever illustrious and radiant Gaffer Tape *sigh*.

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Gaffer Tape said: Honestly, I usually picture people as their avatar, and then their personalities start to change my perception of that picture.

Interesting...

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I know, it is interesting. I have pictured Gaffer as his avatar for so long... I have... I have.. fallen in love with him!

Xhonzi! Wait! Don't go! I didn't mean it!

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape