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doubleofive said:

Latest rumor is Windows 8 will play Xbox 360 games. I am doubtful, but that could prove interesting.

That is interesting, though I don't think I'd really bite on it.  I don't have a modern gaming capable PC anymore (I can't afford to keep one up to spec).  Even though my Xbox is about to be 6 years old, my PC couldn't even come close to keeping up with it.  Though it would be a nice feature, all the same.

I sort of harbour this conspiracy theory that MS entered the console space so that they could kill it and everything would go pack to PCs.  Consoles are much more PC like than they used to be and PCs are much more console like than they used to be as well.  Almost makes you wonder if there will be a continued market for a "gaming console" in the near future.  Since my phone is also more console like and more PC like than my ol' black and decker used to be too. 

Also, all of this talk about a "unified console" that MS, Sony, Nintendo, etc. could all develop for and is interesting... especially since it sounds a lot like a PC.

The Nintendo DS has sort of adopted the PC model- there have been annual hardware updates (revisions, not "generations" with better features, some of which new games require and some of the newest models don't play all of the games the first models did (specifically GBA games and the Guitar Hero game). 

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CP3S said:

Be curious to know if the ones at your Toys R Us are in as bad of shape as the ones at mine. Three good ones, six broken ones, and one missing from the box entirely is a pretty high failure rate.

 Not as far as I could tell.  I didn't scrutinize the one I bought, which was in good shape.  I didn't look closely at any of the others.

 

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"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

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What are those in the picture? Those aren't the ones you made out of paper are they?

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No... I just saw that someone that had made their own.  I'm not sure how they made them.

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

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They look really good.

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PC is where it's at for gaming. Console controls (especially for FPS) are generally sub-par (though they are better in certain cases), not to mention that you can build yourself a bleeding-edge computer for around a thousand bucks (if you know what you're doing), and it'll out-perform a console, as well as be able to do just about anything else you need to do.

I just have this weird feeling that, as consoles get closer and closer to PCs that, eventually, it'll just be that the new Xbox or Playstation or Nintendo is just an over-priced, mid-range PC that does fewer things and the only reason they exist is to sell "exclusive" games.

 

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$1,000 for a "bleeding-edge" computer vs. a couple of hundred for a gaming console? Hmmm?

I really just have a hard time seeing PC gaming being definitively "where it's at".

No matter how good the computer, sooner or later you're bound to hit some snag that makes you have to go through some kind of a hassle in order to get a certain game to work. It is kind of nice that PC games are usually about ten bucks cheaper than console games these days, but then again you can't resell, trade, or give away most modern games thanks to increasingly strict DRM. The vast majority of my 360 games cost me less than $20 dollars, most commonly I pay in the $8 to $12 dollar range. I also like that I don't have to wait for games to install and that I never have to worry about compatibility, performance, or anything else that might hinder my experience of the game (except in the case of freaking Assassin's Creed II).

I am a big FPS fan and that is mostly what I play, I've never had any complaints with a controller and now the thought of going back to a mouse and wasd keyboard setup is very unappealing. This is really just a matter of personal preference. I would have agreed with you back in the N64 days though, it was really hard to be accurate in games like Goldeneye with the 64's controller. But we've come a long way since then.

I've seen the games I play on my 360 played on high end PCs, and I can't say I feel like I am missing out on that much. If the difference were night and day and I felt really blown away by immensely better frame rates and graphics, then I might break down and agree with you; but really, I just don't see this super duper advantage of PC gaming... Except when it comes to modding, or in the cases like that of Left 4 Dead, free DLC. Modding isn't something I have time for/the slightest interest in (when I was a kid and had a lot of time on my hands I loved it! I even discovered modding on my own by dinking around in my games install folders long before I had the internet and discovered it had a name and thousands of other people did it as well), and while paying five dollars a piece for DLC that is free to PC users is very annoying, it's not really worth getting worked up enough about to run out and buy a $1000 dollar computer for.

For a few years I did all my gaming on the PC and was a pretty big advocate of PC gaming. Back in the mid nineties to the end of the last generation, the console counter parts of PC games didn't even compare in the slightest. The PC version was always going to be better beyond comparison to its PS2 or Xbox counter part, even when my computer got so outdated I had to turn my graphics down all the way, it still looked better than on the PS2. The thing is, that simply isn't true anymore. You really have to have a sharp eye and some decent side by side comparison shots to pick out the differences between the console versions and the PC version of games like Portal 2 or Fallout: New Vegas.

To me, for the difference, I'd rather just have the far more accessible and far more affordable console hooked up to my big screen TV, where I can play it on the comfort of my couch (incidentally TV, couch, and 360 collectively all cost me less than $1,000) rather than play on an expensive machine sitting at a desk on a ridiculously large and expensive monitor that is still smaller than my TV. And as more of a social gamer than anything else, I find I have far more friends playing games like COD or L4D on a 360 than I do on a computer.

Consoles just make more sense for me in every way. The personal advantages of consoles to me are great, and the disadvantages small. Obviously that isn't true for everyone, but I think it is for a lot of us who have many other obligations and only a few hours of (video game) playtime a week.

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*shakes his head sadly*

 

Again, I don't fault you for your choice, but I disagree with it in the strongest sense of the word.

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Tyrphanax said:

I disagree with it in the strongest sense of the word.

I know you do. Because you are only looking at it from your own limited window, and from that limited perspective nothing else but PC gaming makes sense.

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I don't understand why we have to fight about this. Some people prefer PC gaming, some console gaming. It's not an issue.

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I don't think anyone is fighting.

 

But obviously I agree that it is all about what works for each person. Someone might say "Sports cars are the only way to go!" Maybe they really like zipping around at illegal speeds, like being able to go from zero to sixty in a matter of as few seconds as possible, and they like to feel really good about the way their car looks. Someone else might say, "Nah, pickups are the only way to go!" Maybe they need to be able to haul stuff around, so a pickup just makes sense to them.

For me both of those are incredibly impractical. A small economical car that gets the best millage as possible is preferable for me, besides saving money on commuting to work daily, I have close friends and acquaintances all over the place and happen to enjoy long road trips. It is hard for me to stay in one place long, and I found taking little trips as often as I can reasonably afford really helps me. If I had a pickup (yeah, they are great for hauling), or a sports car (can't argue with how sleek some sports cars look, nor how great it feels driving them), or a SUV (I love them, love the extra space and the ability to tackle so many different terrains with ease), I wouldn't be able to afford the gas to go on those types of trips.

Even with all that having been said, the pickup and sports car aficionados are still going to be unswayed and still feel their particular preference is "where it's at!", because what works for me isn't going to work for everyone. 

A $1000 dollar PC would cost 1/3rd what I paid for my car, and would be extremely impractical for me. I'd have to buy a desk and a desk chair for it too, since I own neither of those. I don't need a computer for anything but word processing and web browsing and I need to be able to take it with me easily, so a laptop is all I need, and I play games on average probably less than two hours a week. It would be silly to keep a thousand dollar machine around for a hobby I spend very little time on. If that were the only option for playing games, I simply wouldn't have any interest in gaming. But since cheap and easy solutions like the 360 exist and let me easily play online with friends who live far away, I jumped at getting one.

I think it is nice we all have options to find things like cars, computers, and gaming devices that best fit our lifestyles.

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I'm down to join Xhonzi in a fight against all non-Bioshock players


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That's hilarious man, but now I'm going to have it in my head alllll daaaayyyy


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I'm not fighting either! There is no fight!

 

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What'd you just say about my mother, Tyrphanax? Why, I'm gonna keel you!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

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*proceeds to engage in a slapfight with C3PS*

 

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RedFive said:

I'm down to join Xhonzi in a fight against all non-Bioshock players

Give 'em the bees, RedFive!

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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CP3S said:

$1,000 for a "bleeding-edge" computer vs. a couple of hundred for a gaming console? Hmmm?

I really just have a hard time seeing PC gaming being definitively "where it's at".

No matter how good the computer, sooner or later you're bound to hit some snag that makes you have to go through some kind of a hassle in order to get a certain game to work. It is kind of nice that PC games are usually about ten bucks cheaper than console games these days, but then again you can't resell, trade, or give away most modern games thanks to increasingly strict DRM. The vast majority of my 360 games cost me less than $20 dollars, most commonly I pay in the $8 to $12 dollar range. I also like that I don't have to wait for games to install and that I never have to worry about compatibility, performance, or anything else that might hinder my experience of the game (except in the case of freaking Assassin's Creed II).

I am a big FPS fan and that is mostly what I play, I've never had any complaints with a controller and now the thought of going back to a mouse and wasd keyboard setup is very unappealing. This is really just a matter of personal preference. I would have agreed with you back in the N64 days though, it was really hard to be accurate in games like Goldeneye with the 64's controller. But we've come a long way since then.

I've seen the games I play on my 360 played on high end PCs, and I can't say I feel like I am missing out on that much. If the difference were night and day and I felt really blown away by immensely better frame rates and graphics, then I might break down and agree with you; but really, I just don't see this super duper advantage of PC gaming... Except when it comes to modding, or in the cases like that of Left 4 Dead, free DLC. Modding isn't something I have time for/the slightest interest in (when I was a kid and had a lot of time on my hands I loved it! I even discovered modding on my own by dinking around in my games install folders long before I had the internet and discovered it had a name and thousands of other people did it as well), and while paying five dollars a piece for DLC that is free to PC users is very annoying, it's not really worth getting worked up enough about to run out and buy a $1000 dollar computer for.

For a few years I did all my gaming on the PC and was a pretty big advocate of PC gaming. Back in the mid nineties to the end of the last generation, the console counter parts of PC games didn't even compare in the slightest. The PC version was always going to be better beyond comparison to its PS2 or Xbox counter part, even when my computer got so outdated I had to turn my graphics down all the way, it still looked better than on the PS2. The thing is, that simply isn't true anymore. You really have to have a sharp eye and some decent side by side comparison shots to pick out the differences between the console versions and the PC version of games like Portal 2 or Fallout: New Vegas.

To me, for the difference, I'd rather just have the far more accessible and far more affordable console hooked up to my big screen TV, where I can play it on the comfort of my couch (incidentally TV, couch, and 360 collectively all cost me less than $1,000) rather than play on an expensive machine sitting at a desk on a ridiculously large and expensive monitor that is still smaller than my TV. And as more of a social gamer than anything else, I find I have far more friends playing games like COD or L4D on a 360 than I do on a computer.

Consoles just make more sense for me in every way. The personal advantages of consoles to me are great, and the disadvantages small. Obviously that isn't true for everyone, but I think it is for a lot of us who have many other obligations and only a few hours of (video game) playtime a week.

I agree with this 100%.

I used to be a PC gamer.  I used to be a hardcore PC gamer.  Back when I was a 3D modeler for commericals, my home PC was bleeding edge.  It cost thousands of dollars a year, but it was always new. 

A console that I spent $300 on 6 years ago (plus ~$100-$150 in controllers and other other accessories over the years) was the best computing purchase of my life.

Tyrphanax- What makes you call them overpriced?  As far as I can tell, they are a steal for what they are.  You're getting the hardware below cost- they subsidize the hardware costs to spur software sales.

And let me add a little fuel to this fight:

I think there are about 1000 times as many PC -> Console gamers as there are Console -> PC gamers.  Therefore: the argument is usually between people that have only played PC, and those that used to play a lot of PC but now play only console.  One group is prepared to argue the pros and cons.  The others- not so much.  Most PC guys that complain about the controller have never logged enough hours to get above the learning curve.

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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xhonzi said:


I used to be a PC gamer.  I used to be a hardcore PC gamer.  Back when I was a 3D modeler for commericals, my home PC was bleeding edge.  It cost thousands of dollars a year, but it was always new. 
I'm sorry, what?

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RedFive said:

I'm down to join Xhonzi in a fight against all non-Bioshock players

Give 'em the dogs with bees in their mouths, RedFive!

Also, what OO5 asked.

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doubleofive said:

xhonzi said:


I used to be a PC gamer.  I used to be a hardcore PC gamer.  Back when I was a 3D modeler for commericals, my home PC was bleeding edge.  It cost thousands of dollars a year, but it was always new. 
I'm sorry, what?

Is that surprise I'm reading, or did I say something dumb?

I probably haven't mentioned that before.  It was my career in the mid 90s.  It was going to be my career for life until the lasers took over while I was on sabbattical and I ended up in my current line of work instead.

It's wasn't anything sexy.  Mosltly laundry detergent boxes.  Laundry detergent bottles had so many more polygons... but those only came around every once in a while.

 

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!