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"The Empire can't stop us now..now its our turn" -Luke-
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Originally posted by: GhostAlpha26
this is like no game anyone has ever seen or played before
this is like no game anyone has ever seen or played before
Uhh, that's a bit of a stretch I think. The physics engine does look impressive, but other games have had good physics engines as well.
Otherwise, while I will say that I enjoyed the classic-sounding stormtrooper voices, why does this guy look more powerful with the force than Yoda and the Emperor combined?
Edit: Grammar!
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Originally posted by: GhostAlpha26
The Force Unleashed...
It is truly amazing the technology developed for this game, its going to really change future video games, Its starting to go beyond virtual reality
http://lucasarts.com/games/theforceunleashed/
The Force Unleashed...
It is truly amazing the technology developed for this game, its going to really change future video games, Its starting to go beyond virtual reality
http://lucasarts.com/games/theforceunleashed/
I like how it is starting to go beyond virtual reality. Did I miss something? Has virtual reality come and gone without me knowing it? Or did they just decide to skip it all together and go beyond it? Maybe it is just me, but I have never seen a single advertisement for "Better than Life" or any thing like it. When you say "virtual reality" you wouldn't happen to be talking about my Virtual Boy would you? Because that was a bit of a joke (but you can't deny the beauty of the thing. It looks awesome and is a nice addition to my Nintendo System collection). I don't think it can be called virtual reality or even beyond virtual reality when you have to use a conventional controller as a user interface.
I agree with Nanner, I think it is lame they use Vader's apprentice. Does every Sith have an apprentice? I guess they all cheat on each other in the EU, Palps has his secret apprentice Mara Jade, Vader has his secret apprentice. That is why Jedi are better, they don't cheat on each other like that. Qui-gon got tired of teaching OBi-Wan, and when he found a new kid he liked better he flat out told Obi that they were through and that it was time to move on. I respect that in a Master.
Anybody remember Kyle Katarn? Of course you do because he is in every single Jedi Knight game, but I mean Kyle before he was Jedied. He was cool because they made a new character and made an SW game that held its own weight. You were part of the Star Wars Universe and you were not Luke, Han, or Leia for the first time. It made the SW Universe feel bigger. Remember X-Wing? Tie-Fighter? Same thing. Remember Rebel Assault? (Well, maybe I shouldn't go there, Rookie One was hardly a groundbreaking character). I liked how all the old Star Wars games had original characters, kind of made them stand on their own, now every game have to be main characters again (or closely related to one. The Vader's apprentice thing is almost as cheap and introducing Luke's long lost brother Duke to be a new character. I guess because the market shifted from loyal SW fans of the nineties to casual fans and people who liked the advertisements they paid $7+ bucks to see (called Episode II and III, you know what I am talking about) and decided to buy the game(s).
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The physics engine looks very advanced, and uncontrolled characters having bio-mechanical AI if thats not a step towards the perceived limitations of video games I don't know what is...I guess nothing impresses the rest anymore, or you've just seen it all already somehow.
Anyhow the game still looks awesome, overplayed/weak plot aside. Not to mention when I buy a video game I'm not that interested in the plot since they are all horrible I buy a video game to play the game not to be riveted by a story.
Also any indication that the game play will actually be limited compared to what has been shown is just hearsay.
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Originally posted by: GhostAlpha26
Is this the grandfathers video game thread?
Is this the grandfathers video game thread?
Yes, it is the grandfathers video game thread because I am older than thirteen and was alive to play game released in the early nineties. Back in those days sonny, some games actually did have good story lines . One particular golden oldie probably made way before your conception was called "Grim Fandago" and I know plenty of people played that for the story line. It is ashame the general consensus on video games these days is that they can't have and should have good story lines. Just gives them excuses to pull crap out of there asses and put some pretty eye candy on it and sell it.
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Originally posted by: GhostAlpha26
Wake up, if you actually believe game story's are any good you have some low standards, its not like Martin Scorsese is writing the stories for these games. The majority of development and testing goes into the game play. Like I said before its a video game its meant to be played, if you need a good thriller go rent a movie.
Wake up, if you actually believe game story's are any good you have some low standards, its not like Martin Scorsese is writing the stories for these games. The majority of development and testing goes into the game play. Like I said before its a video game its meant to be played, if you need a good thriller go rent a movie.
Play the first two Monkey Island games, Sam & Max Hit The Road, The Dig, and Grim Fandango, then come back and type that post again.
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Originally posted by: GhostAlpha26
Before my conception hahahaha. By the time that game came out I had already logged dozens upon dozens of hours on about half a dozen different game consoles (If you use some logic now you would know I was around before the early 90's as well). Wake up, if you actually believe game story's are any good you have some low standards, its not like Martin Scorsese is writing the stories for these games. The majority of development and testing goes into the game play. Like I said before its a video game its meant to be played, if you need a good thriller go rent a movie.
Before my conception hahahaha. By the time that game came out I had already logged dozens upon dozens of hours on about half a dozen different game consoles (If you use some logic now you would know I was around before the early 90's as well). Wake up, if you actually believe game story's are any good you have some low standards, its not like Martin Scorsese is writing the stories for these games. The majority of development and testing goes into the game play. Like I said before its a video game its meant to be played, if you need a good thriller go rent a movie.
Wow. You totally just offended me.
Let me make one thing abundantly clear to you. Without a script, there is no game. Everything starts with the script. I don't think I've ever heard someone say something so ill informed and ignorant. I can think of at least 20 games that have better storylines, more compelling characters and more depth than anything you could walk into a theatre and see right now.
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Originally posted by: Nanner Split
Play the first two Monkey Island games, Sam & Max Hit The Road, The Dig, and Grim Fandango, then come back and type that post again.
Originally posted by: GhostAlpha26
Wake up, if you actually believe game story's are any good you have some low standards, its not like Martin Scorsese is writing the stories for these games. The majority of development and testing goes into the game play. Like I said before its a video game its meant to be played, if you need a good thriller go rent a movie.
Wake up, if you actually believe game story's are any good you have some low standards, its not like Martin Scorsese is writing the stories for these games. The majority of development and testing goes into the game play. Like I said before its a video game its meant to be played, if you need a good thriller go rent a movie.
Play the first two Monkey Island games, Sam & Max Hit The Road, The Dig, and Grim Fandango, then come back and type that post again.
Exactly. My point was that games CAN have good stories in them, but for some silly reason it has become far too accaptable for their stories to suck. There story lines don't have to be bad, and it doesn't take that much effort to put a decent story in it. The most it would ever take would be paying an extra guy.
ghost, the whole "before you were concieved" comment came from your "grandfather" comment. It has nothing to do with logic, I was just playing around. I guess I could turn it around and say that if you used some logic you would no I am not a grandfather, but I don't think that is true (I damn well could be a grandfather for all you know
), what is to say you are not an 11 or 12 year old sitting at a computer, that would mean you were born in the mid nineties, thus not having been around in the early nineties. I just don't see what is so "grandfatherish" about mentioning games from the early nineties. Calm down man.I am in no need of waking up, and yes, I don't think all game stories are of crap quality. The ones Nanner just listed have fantastic plots, and there are others with great plots too, and no, my standards are not low. Plenty of people would agree with me that Grim Fandango was some excellent story telling. Proof that games don't have to be crap. It is doubtful Nanner or I would remember or even care about Monkey Island had the story line been garbage, instead I will never forget that game. I appreciate effort being put into gameplay, and I even appreciate games like Pac-Man where there really is no story line. Sometimes no story at all is less insulting to our intelligence than some of quickly thrown together nonsense story. I am not asking for Martin Scorsese, just a little bit of thought.
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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
Wow. You totally just offended me.
Let me make one thing abundantly clear to you. Without a script, there is no game. Everything starts with the script. I don't think I've ever heard someone say something so ill informed and ignorant. I can think of at least 20 games that have better storylines, more compelling characters and more depth than anything you could walk into a theatre and see right now.
Wow. You totally just offended me.
Let me make one thing abundantly clear to you. Without a script, there is no game. Everything starts with the script. I don't think I've ever heard someone say something so ill informed and ignorant. I can think of at least 20 games that have better storylines, more compelling characters and more depth than anything you could walk into a theatre and see right now.
Give me a break, were discussing video games you might wanna get that checked out if your being even slightly serious.
Everything is the plot? Explain Madden, Gran Turismo, Fighting Games, Tetris. When talking about some of the best selling games you cant ignore them and they have no plot, zip, nothing, (even if they have something that vaguely resumes a plot its atrocious) but you know why they do so good...game play. If you cant understand this simple complex, sorry. Plot/Story is not everything and in terms of video games at times it can be completely nonexistent from a game and still be a great game, because one of the essential parts of a interactive video game does not have to be plot/story.
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Originally posted by: GhostAlpha26
Give me a break, were discussing video games you might wanna get that checked out if your being even slightly serious.
Everything is the plot? Explain Madden, Gran Turismo, Fighting Games, Tetris. When talking about some of the best selling games you cant ignore them and they have no plot, zip, nothing, (even if they have something that vaguely resumes a plot its atrocious) but you know why they do so good...game play. If you cant understand this simple complex, sorry. Plot/Story is not everything and in terms of video games at times it can be completely nonexistent from a game and still be a great game, because one of the essential parts of a interactive video game does not have to be plot/story.
Originally posted by: TheCassidy
Wow. You totally just offended me.
Let me make one thing abundantly clear to you. Without a script, there is no game. Everything starts with the script. I don't think I've ever heard someone say something so ill informed and ignorant. I can think of at least 20 games that have better storylines, more compelling characters and more depth than anything you could walk into a theatre and see right now.
Wow. You totally just offended me.
Let me make one thing abundantly clear to you. Without a script, there is no game. Everything starts with the script. I don't think I've ever heard someone say something so ill informed and ignorant. I can think of at least 20 games that have better storylines, more compelling characters and more depth than anything you could walk into a theatre and see right now.
Give me a break, were discussing video games you might wanna get that checked out if your being even slightly serious.
Everything is the plot? Explain Madden, Gran Turismo, Fighting Games, Tetris. When talking about some of the best selling games you cant ignore them and they have no plot, zip, nothing, (even if they have something that vaguely resumes a plot its atrocious) but you know why they do so good...game play. If you cant understand this simple complex, sorry. Plot/Story is not everything and in terms of video games at times it can be completely nonexistent from a game and still be a great game, because one of the essential parts of a interactive video game does not have to be plot/story.
Okay, no need to get nasty.
The examples you used are ridiculous - you're trying to prove your point with games that are either twitch reflex or Sports games. Come on. Who are you trying to fool?
What about Final Fantasy? Halo? Gears of War? Zelda? Metal Gear? Silent Hill? Resident Evil? God Of War? Shadow Of The Collosus? Elder Scrolls? Myst?
If you aren't engaged in those situations, characters and storyline, then you are clearly not paying enough attention to what the game is doing.
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Originally posted by: C3PX
Exactly. My point was that games CAN have good stories in them, but for some silly reason it has become far too accaptable for their stories to suck. There story lines don't have to be bad, and it doesn't take that much effort to put a decent story in it. The most it would ever take would be paying an extra guy.
ghost, the whole "before you were concieved" comment came from your "grandfather" comment. It has nothing to do with logic, I was just playing around. I guess I could turn it around and say that if you used some logic you would no I am not a grandfather, but I don't think that is true (I damn well could be a grandfather for all you know), what is to say you are not an 11 or 12 year old sitting at a computer, that would mean you were born in the mid nineties, thus not having been around in the early nineties. I just don't see what is so "grandfatherish" about mentioning games from the early nineties. Calm down man.
I am in no need of waking up, and yes, I don't think all game stories are of crap quality. The ones Nanner just listed have fantastic plots, and there are others with great plots too, and no, my standards are not low. Plenty of people would agree with me that Grim Fandango was some excellent story telling. Proof that games don't have to be crap. It is doubtful Nanner or I would remember or even care about Monkey Island had the story line been garbage, instead I will never forget that game. I appreciate effort being put into gameplay, and I even appreciate games like Pac-Man where there really is no story line. Sometimes no story at all is less insulting to our intelligence than some of quickly thrown together nonsense story. I am not asking for Martin Scorsese, just a little bit of thought.
Exactly. My point was that games CAN have good stories in them, but for some silly reason it has become far too accaptable for their stories to suck. There story lines don't have to be bad, and it doesn't take that much effort to put a decent story in it. The most it would ever take would be paying an extra guy.
ghost, the whole "before you were concieved" comment came from your "grandfather" comment. It has nothing to do with logic, I was just playing around. I guess I could turn it around and say that if you used some logic you would no I am not a grandfather, but I don't think that is true (I damn well could be a grandfather for all you know
), what is to say you are not an 11 or 12 year old sitting at a computer, that would mean you were born in the mid nineties, thus not having been around in the early nineties. I just don't see what is so "grandfatherish" about mentioning games from the early nineties. Calm down man.I am in no need of waking up, and yes, I don't think all game stories are of crap quality. The ones Nanner just listed have fantastic plots, and there are others with great plots too, and no, my standards are not low. Plenty of people would agree with me that Grim Fandango was some excellent story telling. Proof that games don't have to be crap. It is doubtful Nanner or I would remember or even care about Monkey Island had the story line been garbage, instead I will never forget that game. I appreciate effort being put into gameplay, and I even appreciate games like Pac-Man where there really is no story line. Sometimes no story at all is less insulting to our intelligence than some of quickly thrown together nonsense story. I am not asking for Martin Scorsese, just a little bit of thought.
For the sake of this discussion in terms of entertainment if someone was to compare the Plots/Stories of some widely accepted good movies vs. the stories of some good stories from games, I really don think that game stories can reach the level of movies'. I don't know many people who have come across game stories that have pulled at their emotions or had them chocked up at scenes, and to be honest if people get emotional over video games IMO thats a little nutty, I didn't get a lump in my throat when Aeris got smoked by Sephiroth. In terms of the quality of story telling in all its aspects IMO there is a better way to experience it other than video games, and I don't think if someone was to experience storytelling purely from a video games standpoint (even just the good ones) they would ever experienced the best that storytelling has to offer. Storytelling for a video game will always be flawed because it is never the singular focus of the project.
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Originally posted by: GhostAlpha26
The physics engine looks very advanced, and uncontrolled characters having bio-mechanical AI if thats not a step towards the perceived limitations of video games I don't know what is...I guess nothing impresses the rest anymore, or you've just seen it all already somehow.
The physics engine looks very advanced, and uncontrolled characters having bio-mechanical AI if thats not a step towards the perceived limitations of video games I don't know what is...I guess nothing impresses the rest anymore, or you've just seen it all already somehow.
Lucasarts has never impressed me, but perhaps this game might change that. However, this will not be the first game to use realistic physics to govern the movement of objects. Maybe it will be the most advanced game to date in this regard, but we have yet to see how much they have truly accomplished. And gaming companies have been claiming the ability to program advanced forms of AI in their games for years. We haven't played the game yet, and that will be the real test. Pre-release hype is a waste of time to become overly invested in. Even successful physics or AI advancements are useless if the game itself isn't fun.
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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
you're trying to prove your point with games that are either twitch reflex or Sports games.
The key word there being games. Are they not video games? Are they now somehow classified as another form of entertainment simply because you have said so.
Also I wasn't the one who said
Originally posted by: TheCassidy
Without a script, there is no game.
you're trying to prove your point with games that are either twitch reflex or Sports games.
The key word there being games. Are they not video games? Are they now somehow classified as another form of entertainment simply because you have said so.
Also I wasn't the one who said
Originally posted by: TheCassidy
Without a script, there is no game.
And what about the other games (other than you trying to take the focus off your illogical statement). I've played practically all of those games and I didn't care for there story's.
Another point to ponder, Online gaming, a very prominent and used way to play newer games anymore, and the most popular ones involve one pointing at another and firing, yet people do it for endless hours, because its great fun and the mode of game play is interesting. I guess all those people missed the part when a game doesn't have a story it no longer can be consider a game.
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Originally posted by: GhostAlpha26
and to be honest if people get emotional over video games IMO thats a little nutty, I didn't get a lump in my throat when Aeris got smoked by Sephiroth.
and to be honest if people get emotional over video games IMO thats a little nutty, I didn't get a lump in my throat when Aeris got smoked by Sephiroth.
Fuck you too.
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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Fuck you too.
Originally posted by: GhostAlpha26
and to be honest if people get emotional over video games IMO thats a little nutty, I didn't get a lump in my throat when Aeris got smoked by Sephiroth.
and to be honest if people get emotional over video games IMO thats a little nutty, I didn't get a lump in my throat when Aeris got smoked by Sephiroth.
Fuck you too.
You just finished perching to me about video games and now your going to cruse at me like some kind of child. Even if you are joking theres no reason for that or if you are legitimately upset that I have no care about something that happened in a video game, I hope you try and seek some professional help, that and you get some kind of beating from a random person.
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After five years, I FINALLY beat Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages.
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Originally posted by: GhostAlpha26
You just finished perching to me about video games and now your going to cruse at me like some kind of child. Even if you are joking theres no reason for that or if you are legitimately upset that I have no care about something that happened in a video game, I hope you try and seek some professional help, that and you get some kind of beating from a random person.
Originally posted by: Tiptup
Fuck you too.
Originally posted by: GhostAlpha26
and to be honest if people get emotional over video games IMO thats a little nutty, I didn't get a lump in my throat when Aeris got smoked by Sephiroth.
and to be honest if people get emotional over video games IMO thats a little nutty, I didn't get a lump in my throat when Aeris got smoked by Sephiroth.
Fuck you too.
You just finished perching to me about video games and now your going to cruse at me like some kind of child. Even if you are joking theres no reason for that or if you are legitimately upset that I have no care about something that happened in a video game, I hope you try and seek some professional help, that and you get some kind of beating from a random person.
I'm sorry, I didn't intend to "perch" to you and "cruse" at you.
You called me nutty, and if I can't make a lighthearted reply to that then you're the one who clearly has issues.
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Originally posted by: GhostAlpha26
And what about the other games (other than you trying to take the focus off your illogical statement). I've played practically all of those games and I didn't care for there story's.
Another point to ponder, Online gaming, a very prominent and used way to play newer games anymore, and the most popular ones involve one pointing at another and firing, yet people do it for endless hours, because its great fun and the mode of game play is interesting. I guess all those people missed the part when a game doesn't have a story it no longer can be consider a game.
Originally posted by: TheCassidy
you're trying to prove your point with games that are either twitch reflex or Sports games.
The key word there being games. Are they not video games? Are they now somehow classified as another form of entertainment simply because you have said so.
Also I wasn't the one who said
Originally posted by: TheCassidy
Without a script, there is no game.
you're trying to prove your point with games that are either twitch reflex or Sports games.
The key word there being games. Are they not video games? Are they now somehow classified as another form of entertainment simply because you have said so.
Also I wasn't the one who said
Originally posted by: TheCassidy
Without a script, there is no game.
And what about the other games (other than you trying to take the focus off your illogical statement). I've played practically all of those games and I didn't care for there story's.
Another point to ponder, Online gaming, a very prominent and used way to play newer games anymore, and the most popular ones involve one pointing at another and firing, yet people do it for endless hours, because its great fun and the mode of game play is interesting. I guess all those people missed the part when a game doesn't have a story it no longer can be consider a game.
Story matters to me, and no amount of you insulting me or telling me otherwise will change and diminish that for me.
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