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Nindroid243 said:

Is there a way to recolor Snoke into more Gray? I think he looks a lot better in TFA and the way he did in TLJ.

Only manually, I’m afraid. He’s the same color as the humans and the background (red). You could use EbSynth to facilitate the process, put it’d still be largely manual labor.

EddieDean said:

I would really, really like to see an attempt at a communitywide saga edit, where we consider the franchise holistically.

Bad idea. No one would agree on anything so we’d end up with a middle of the road answer for everything and no one would be happy. Your community focus threads are the closest we’ll come and they’re honestly fantastic.

NeverarGreat said:

I imagine that it would be an entire saga edit using an expanded form of the process of Restructured or Ascendant, where people would submit ideas but one person (or in this case some evil council) decided what ultimately made the cut.

Yeah probably.

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Would removing starkiller base and having the dreadnaught destroy the republic capital be possible for TFA? I remember seeing Snooker’s mockups of that and they looked pretty good. Would go a long way to differentiating it from the OT, and you could keep starkiller base as simply a base. Poe being adamant on destroying the dreadnaught in TLJ might work better, too. I’m not sure how that would work with Poes starkiller assault though.

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My radical ideas to edit (and improve) the Sequel Trilogy:

  1. The Resistance Isn’t a separate group from the New Republic, but is simply what remains of the New Republic fleet. The New Republic has already been destroyed and overwhelmed by the First Order before TFA, and the Resistance is only what remains of the New Republic fleet.
  2. Snoke doesn’t exist. The resurrect Palpatine is the direct leader of the First Order and Kylo Ren is his apprentice. The Knights of Ren are basically the equivalent of the old Imperial Guards, but they’re Force-sensitive. Also, the reasons of Palpatine’s resurrection are already explained in TFA. At the time of his first death on the Second Death Star he managed to transfer his spirit to his cloned body on Exegol and so he managed to survive. Just like in Dark Empire.
  3. Luke and Rey meet in TFA and Luke explains the reasons of his exile to Rey in TFA. At the end of the film we see Rey starting her training with Luke. Between TFA and TLJ a year has passed.
  4. Luke didn’t exile to escape his responsibilities, but simply because he realized that he failed with Kylo. So he felt the need to exile and meditate to understand what he did wrong, so that he could return to action at a later date, with a clearer mind and clearer ideas. He hadn’t explained to anyone why he exiled, so everyone’s looking for him, but no one knows why he disappeared until he explains his reasons to Rey. Luke made the same mistakes of the old Jedi Order, and after his long exile and his long meditation he understood that the Jedi Order Need to be transformed, he understood that attachments must be allowed and the Jedi must not be too dogmatic and rigid. In other words, he understood that the Jedi Order Need to be transformed into what Luke’s Legends counterpart has managed to do. So, “it’s time for the Jedi to end” turns into “it’s time for the Jedi to change”.
  5. Rey is nobody. She’s neither a Skywalker nor a Palpatine. Rey is basically the Nomi Sunrider of the Disney Canon.
  6. Yes, Luke tried to kill Ben Solo in his sleep. Yes, Ben Solo was already corrupted by the Dark Side. But Luke immediately regretted what he did and tried in every way to redeem Ben and bring him back to the Light, but without succeeding. In this way, the fact that he tried to kill him in his sleep is balanced by the fact that he then tried to redeem him in every way and he regretted what he did. So in this way it doesn’t feel out of character. Luke dies against Kylo in the same way we see in the original version of TLJ.
  7. There are no sacred Jedi texts. Rey is trained by Luke, but she can only draw on his teachings, and there’s no sacred Jedi text that contains forgotten teachings by which Rey can learn how to resurrect people through the Force. So, Rey never learns the power of resurrection through the Force, and so this power doesn’t appear in TROS.
  8. Leia dies to help Kylo to redeem himself like in the original version of TROS, but Anakin Skywalker’s Force ghost appears and guides Kylo to redemption instead of Han Solo.
  9. Rey doesn’t kill Palpatine. In the final battle on Exegol Anakin Skywalker’s ghost (played by Hayden Christensen) appears while Rey is unconscious, after which the ghosts of Luke, Obi-Wan, Yoda and Qui-Gon also appear to help Anakin. There’s a clash of Force powers between Palpatine and Anakin’s ghost, and in the end Palpatine dies at the hands of Anakin AGAIN, confirming that he’s the Chosen One.
  10. Kylo Ren redeems himself and returns to be Ben Solo in the final battle on Exegol. He survives, takes Skywalker as his second surname (becoming Ben Solo Skywalker) and begins training a new generation of Jedi with Rey, putting into practice Luke’s ideas for the change and innovation of the Jedi Order.

These are my radical ideas to change the main plots of the Trilogy. Of course, I also have in mind many radical ideas to change the subplots, but for now I prefer to limit myself to the radical changes for the main plots.

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I like a lot of your ideas! I also like the idea of Ben Solo surviving in the end. It’s personally an edit I would like to see made after Rey Nobody is accomplished.

This all came back to my mind recently because the Templin Institute on YouTube posted a new video reimagining the First Order-New Republic War. They kept things closer to the films than I thought they would. Definitely some deviations, but the big story beats are still there. The major difference is the details they chose to add. Some interesting takeaways:

• The Resistance is one of many “volunteer forces” that work for the New Republic.
• Starkiller Base is still a new Death Star, but with the caveat that it can only fire once. I’m not sure how you could get this idea across in the film. Maybe new dialogue from a Resistance officer or pilot during the briefing or the attack.
• A huge chunk of the New Republic fleet was at Hosnian Prime to celebrate the anniversary of the battle of Endor (not sure if this could get across in an edit at all).
• The entirety of the New Republic military wasn’t destroyed in the attack. But the days/weeks following, the remnants were scattered and struggling to fight off the FO’s coordinated offensive.
• Leia becomes the de facto leader of an emergency New Republic government.
• The battle of Crait and the duel between Luke and Kylo Ren is broadcast to the galaxy as a propaganda tactic that blows up in the First Order’s face.
• During the TLJ-TROS interim (which is 5 years), the New Republic/Resistance makes efforts to gain allies and rebuild/reorganize a new New Republic fleet. So the final battle isn’t “just people” per se, but a makeshift armada under the leadership of the New Republic.

I feel like if one were to try to work with this approach, the crawls would do a lot of the legwork, but perhaps off screen radio communication with the Resistance “allies” or the TROS civilian fleet could be replaced with dialogue that more clearly depicts those entities as New Republic.

So the scattered New Republic fleet is simply too busy to help the Resistance in TLJ rather than being too afraid to help. And then in TROS, cut dialogue that implies the Resistance is still all alone, and use the crawl to help explain that efforts to rebuild the New Republic have been underway.

EDIT: Here’s a link to the video https://youtu.be/0Ai--LPeKQQ

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Darth Malgus said:

My radical ideas to edit (and improve) the Sequel Trilogy:

  1. The Resistance Isn’t a separate group from the New Republic, but is simply what remains of the New Republic fleet. The New Republic has already been destroyed and overwhelmed by the First Order before TFA, and the Resistance is only what remains of the New Republic fleet.
  2. Snoke doesn’t exist. The resurrect Palpatine is the direct leader of the First Order and Kylo Ren is his apprentice. The Knights of Ren are basically the equivalent of the old Imperial Guards, but they’re Force-sensitive. Also, the reasons of Palpatine’s resurrection are already explained in TFA. At the time of his first death on the Second Death Star he managed to transfer his spirit to his cloned body on Exegol and so he managed to survive. Just like in Dark Empire.
  3. Luke and Rey meet in TFA and Luke explains the reasons of his exile to Rey in TFA. At the end of the film we see Rey starting her training with Luke. Between TFA and TLJ a year has passed.
  4. Luke didn’t exile to escape his responsibilities, but simply because he realized that he failed with Kylo. So he felt the need to exile and meditate to understand what he did wrong, so that he could return to action at a later date, with a clearer mind and clearer ideas. He hadn’t explained to anyone why he exiled, so everyone’s looking for him, but no one knows why he disappeared until he explains his reasons to Rey. Luke made the same mistakes of the old Jedi Order, and after his long exile and his long meditation he understood that the Jedi Order Need to be transformed, he understood that attachments must be allowed and the Jedi must not be too dogmatic and rigid. In other words, he understood that the Jedi Order Need to be transformed into what Luke’s Legends counterpart has managed to do. So, “it’s time for the Jedi to end” turns into “it’s time for the Jedi to change”.
  5. Rey is nobody. She’s neither a Skywalker nor a Palpatine. Rey is basically the Nomi Sunrider of the Disney Canon.
  6. Yes, Luke tried to kill Ben Solo in his sleep. Yes, Ben Solo was already corrupted by the Dark Side. But Luke immediately regretted what he did and tried in every way to redeem Ben and bring him back to the Light, but without succeeding. In this way, the fact that he tried to kill him in his sleep is balanced by the fact that he then tried to redeem him in every way and he regretted what he did. So in this way it doesn’t feel out of character. Luke dies against Kylo in the same way we see in the original version of TLJ.
  7. There are no sacred Jedi texts. Rey is trained by Luke, but she can only draw on his teachings, and there’s no sacred Jedi text that contains forgotten teachings by which Rey can learn how to resurrect people through the Force. So, Rey never learns the power of resurrection through the Force, and so this power doesn’t appear in TROS.
  8. Leia dies to help Kylo to redeem himself like in the original version of TROS, but Anakin Skywalker’s Force ghost appears and guides Kylo to redemption instead of Han Solo.
  9. Rey doesn’t kill Palpatine. In the final battle on Exegol Anakin Skywalker’s ghost (played by Hayden Christensen) appears while Rey is unconscious, after which the ghosts of Luke, Obi-Wan, Yoda and Qui-Gon also appear to help Anakin. There’s a clash of Force powers between Palpatine and Anakin’s ghost, and in the end Palpatine dies at the hands of Anakin AGAIN, confirming that he’s the Chosen One.
  10. Kylo Ren redeems himself and returns to be Ben Solo in the final battle on Exegol. He survives, takes Skywalker as his second surname (becoming Ben Solo Skywalker) and begins training a new generation of Jedi with Rey, putting into practice Luke’s ideas for the change and innovation of the Jedi Order.

These are my radical ideas to change the main plots of the Trilogy. Of course, I also have in mind many radical ideas to change the subplots, but for now I prefer to limit myself to the radical changes for the main plots.

Bro I would love to help with this edit when you want to.

#TROSFAN

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Tying into the idea of clarifying the actual war that is going on in the ST, I thought of an idea that would require some effects but could clarify the First Order’s scale and strategy.

During the Starkiller Base establishing shot before Hux’s speech, it would be interesting to add in the First Order’s invasion fleet to its orbit (I’m picturing just a distant armada of Star Destroyers above the planet). After Hux completes his speech, we cut back to that establishing shot and see this fleet jump to hyperspace.

Later in the film after Hosnian Prime is destroyed, we could have a montage of establishing shots of notable planets where we see one or multiple Destroyers arriving at each world. You wouldn’t have to necessarily depict any battles, but this could visualize the idea that the First Order basically blitzkriegs major systems as it simultaneously destroys the Senate. If it disrupted the flow of TFA’s climax, this montage could potentially be included at the beginning of TLJ instead.

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RogueLeader said:

Tying into the idea of clarifying the actual war that is going on in the ST, I thought of an idea that would require some effects but could clarify the First Order’s scale and strategy.

During the Starkiller Base establishing shot before Hux’s speech, it would be interesting to add in the First Order’s invasion fleet to its orbit (I’m picturing just a distant armada of Star Destroyers above the planet). After Hux completes his speech, we cut back to that establishing shot and see this fleet jump to hyperspace.

Later in the film after Hosnian Prime is destroyed, we could have a montage of establishing shots of notable planets where we see one or multiple Destroyers arriving at each world. You wouldn’t have to necessarily depict any battles, but this could visualize the idea that the First Order basically blitzkriegs major systems as it simultaneously destroys the Senate. If it disrupted the flow of TFA’s climax, this montage could potentially be included at the beginning of TLJ instead.

I love the idea. It would honestly fix the TLJ Crawl with, “The First Order reigns!”

#TROSFAN

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RogueLeader said:

Later in the film after Hosnian Prime is destroyed, we could have a montage of establishing shots of notable planets where we see one or multiple Destroyers arriving at each world. You wouldn’t have to necessarily depict any battles, but this could visualize the idea that the First Order basically blitzkriegs major systems as it simultaneously destroys the Senate. If it disrupted the flow of TFA’s climax, this montage could potentially be included at the beginning of TLJ instead.

I dig this idea. Also, knowing how a lot of TROS fan edits have cut out the Kijimi destruction footage, editors could now use some of that footage to show how FO Star Destroyers are blitzkrieging worlds.

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BrotherOfSasquatch said:

I dig this idea. Also, knowing how a lot of TROS fan edits have cut out the Kijimi destruction footage, editors could now use some of that footage to show how FO Star Destroyers are blitzkrieging worlds.

I know there’s multiple edits that try to remove the idea of Starkiller base being a superweapon. Theoretically, you could still do the destruction of Hosnian Prime but use footage of Kijimi’s destruction instead.

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You say that like destroying it with a star destroyer is better than doing it with Starkiller Base.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

You say that like destroying it with a star destroyer is better than doing it with Starkiller Base.

Depending on one’s goals with the edit, it could be. You could also use the footage to show them destroying just the particular city part of Hosnian Prime without blowing up the whole planet.

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That’s actually what I did for my edit using the dreadnought from TLJ.

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This is something that I would like to see in a TLJ fan edit

https://youtu.be/Jkr9iGBdyQo

This scene of having the Praetorian Guard holding lightsabers makes it look like they were trained in the Sith arts which makes it more interesting compared to what they were originally holding.

Something that I’ve always wondered about is if the Emperor’s Royal Guards from ROTJ were aware that he was a Sith while the Empire wasn’t.

Analog Releases of Films That Contain Deleted, Extended, & Alternate Footage That’ve Never Been Released on DVD/BluRay

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Tantive3+1 said:

This is something that I would like to see in a TLJ fan edit

https://youtu.be/Jkr9iGBdyQo

That’s actually really cool. I wonder if the creator of that would share a full quality file for faneditors to use? I love it, and if I ever tackled TLJ I’d definitely want to use it.

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Lol, that clip is so old I’d already commented on it. As one of said comments suggests, I’d rather give lightsabers to the Knights Ren.