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I don’t see why the cost would be too high.

As for the Force healing it only heals mortal wounds by killing the healer, so it’s hardly OP. In my edit I went one step beyond and let a dyad heal each other without repercussions.

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I’ve heard that in the novelization for TFA it says that Rey “downloads” all of Kylo’s force powers during their interrogation, which is why she’s able to mind trick and stuff. Would there be any way to represent that in the movie?

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After Rey withstands Kylos interrogation and pushes back add a quick montage of Kylo using or learning mind trick and/or other abilities.

So that it plays out just like the scene where Harry sees Snapes memories in Order of the Phoenix.

As for the footage for this montage you could use Kylo interrogating Poe. Other than that there is a cut scene from the single player campaign of Battlefront 2, I think.

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The TFA novel was written by Alan Dean Foster, who also wrote this (Ctrl+F “resurgence”) interesting piece of fanfiction, so I’d take his ideas about the sequel trilogy with something of a grain of salt. Various parts of the TFA novel have also been retconned since - it suffers a lot from ADF not being privy to where the later movies were going. I don’t think TLJ or TROS were written with the idea in mind that Rey ever downloaded Ben’s training or what have you, though to some extent the dyad is another take on a similar concept.

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sade1212 said:

The TFA novel was written by Alan Dean Foster, who also wrote this (Ctrl+F “resurgence”) interesting piece of fanfiction, so I’d take his ideas about the sequel trilogy with something of a grain of salt. Various parts of the TFA novel have also been retconned since - it suffers a lot from ADF not being privy to where the later movies were going. I don’t think TLJ or TROS were written with the idea in mind that Rey ever downloaded Ben’s training or what have you, though to some extent the dyad is another take on a similar concept.

Please don’t hide or disguise links that, sade1212. If you are going to link to a video by Jenny Nicholson (who seemingly hasn’t a clue who Alan Dean Foster is, other than from reading his wikipedia page) then link to it in an open and more detailed manner.

Thanks mate 👍
 

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oojason said:

sade1212 said:

The TFA novel was written by Alan Dean Foster, who also wrote this (Ctrl+F “resurgence”) interesting piece of fanfiction, so I’d take his ideas about the sequel trilogy with something of a grain of salt. Various parts of the TFA novel have also been retconned since - it suffers a lot from ADF not being privy to where the later movies were going. I don’t think TLJ or TROS were written with the idea in mind that Rey ever downloaded Ben’s training or what have you, though to some extent the dyad is another take on a similar concept.

Please don’t hide or disguise links that, sade1212. If you are going to link to a video by Jenny Nicholson (who seemingly hasn’t a clue who Alan Dean Foster is, other than from reading his wikipedia page) then link to it in an open and more detailed manner.

Thanks mate 👍
 

Alright, I fixed it.

I’m not sure you need to know much about who Alan Dean Foster is to read his treatment for IX. I confess I’ve never met him nor spoken to him nor read anything he’s written outside of Star Wars either.

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jrs81 said:

Here is a 5 minute clip of Luke and Leia dying together. Mods if this is too long of a clip, let me know.

This is strictly an experiment, an idea I came up with last night. Never liked the way Luke dies in ‘Last Jedi’ and never liked the Idea of Han showing up, normally this is reserved for a force ghost. What if Luke and Leia were able to bring Han back in Kylo’s mind, in otherwords, overwhelm him with the light side of the force. They sacrifice their own lives, Leia for her son, Luke to redeem his mistakes that were made with his nephew. Editorially thinking, the moment Leia rubs the medallion, it allows us to bring in Luke for a pretty decent link.

https://mega.nz/file/t1wEDYzZ#z7nKyusOt76ZKD00j4x1_X2S7UzInQcx_UFuUUhu8Xw

Again, just ideas in action. I plan to do Mandalorian type episodes with the sequel trilogy and I may try and use this. But wanted to throw it out as it is an idea and execution I have not seen before. Curios if anyone else likes it.

It looks great!
Good choice for scenes’ mix.

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In my attempt to change Luke from wanting the Jedi to end, he is now is just feeling sorry for himself after failing with the Jedi Academy and and Kylo. He is at first reluctant to train Rey, and he has gone to the island to die alone and miserable, but gone is all talk of the Jedi ending. That version of Luke never worked for me. The biggest challenge I had was wanting to keep the Yoda scene. Here is what I came up with. What do you think?

After Rey and Kylo communicate in the Rain, I may cut to this: https://mega.nz/file/E0AgHb4R#5dvrKMU3fBwY52_LpKsGrtX7dutSqyWBXcZUVtpggxA

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I’m currently working on a rough draft of a VERY radical edit of the sequel trilogy taking place in an alternate timeline where Luke actually struck down Palpatine in anger during Return of the Jedi, and then killed Vader in the following duel in a fit of rage, before disappearing and leaving Han and Leia behind to do the spirit of the Emperor’s bidding and fully embrace the dark side.

Basically continuing from the ending of The Man Behind The Mask’s “War of the Stars” edit, if you’ve seen them (probably my favorite Star Wars edits of all time).

I think the idea of the sequels taking place in an alternate dark timeline could make them feel a lot more cohesive and fix the problem of the constant character assassination and disrespect to the original trilogy.

Han becoming a smuggler again and Leia abandoning the New Republic to fight a rebellion again, and stuff like that that felt out of character for these character now makes a lot more sense if they knew Luke disappeared and fell to the dark side, doesn’t it?

I’m not quite to the point of storyboarding the actual sequels and what I want to do with them yet because I’m working on the first part I have planned first.

So picture this, I’m going to open up the first movie with mostly scenes from the Mandalorian, not the Force Awakens. I’ve already found a great way to cut down all the filler and show the main arc of Mando finding, recusing, and growing attached Grogu in a fast, streamlined way. Then skip ahead as fast as possible to introduce Moff Gideon and get to the end of season 2 as quick as I can.

The kicker though is going to be the ending. We’ve just spent the majority of the story getting attached to Mando and his quest with Grogu, they’re facing impossible odds surrounded by Dark Troopers with all hope lost, until a single X-wing seems to show up out of nowhere with a Jedi stepping out to save the day.

Except this Jedi’s lightsaber is crimson red and something about his demeaner seems off. He’s not here to recuse them.

Din asks “Are you a Jedi?”.

“No.” Luke then slaughters everyone in the room. (not sure how feasible this would be able to pull off lol but I’m sure something could work, even if it’s just an outside POV from the closed door as we hear screams as a last resort)

We see the perspective of different planets and people reacting to Holoscreens suddenly flickering.

Palpatine’s broadcast about his return plays as the galaxy’s people’s react in fright and dispair.

End of the first movie.

The second movie will take place after a large time skip and focus on setting up Rey and co., and everything else.

Kind of just disjointed rambling here lmao but I’m curious if anyone has any thoughts on this idea on paper as it is, I’ll share an actual rough draft of the first half of my edit soon. I’m about 40% into editing it.

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newmaker said:

I’m currently working on a rough draft of a VERY radical edit of the sequel trilogy taking place in an alternate timeline where Luke actually struck down Palpatine in anger during Return of the Jedi, and then killed Vader in the following duel in a fit of rage, before disappearing and leaving Han and Leia behind to do the spirit of the Emperor’s bidding and fully embrace the dark side.

Basically continuing from the ending of The Man Behind The Mask’s “War of the Stars” edit, if you’ve seen them (probably my favorite Star Wars edits of all time).

I think the idea of the sequels taking place in an alternate dark timeline could make them feel a lot more cohesive and fix the problem of the constant character assassination and disrespect to the original trilogy.

Han becoming a smuggler again and Leia abandoning the New Republic to fight a rebellion again, and stuff like that that felt out of character for these character now makes a lot more sense if they knew Luke disappeared and fell to the dark side, doesn’t it?

I’m not quite to the point of storyboarding the actual sequels and what I want to do with them yet because I’m working on the first part I have planned first.

So picture this, I’m going to open up the first movie with mostly scenes from the Mandalorian, not the Force Awakens. I’ve already found a great way to cut down all the filler and show the main arc of Mando finding, recusing, and growing attached Grogu in a fast, streamlined way. Then skip ahead as fast as possible to introduce Moff Gideon and get to the end of season 2 as quick as I can.

The kicker though is going to be the ending. We’ve just spent the majority of the story getting attached to Mando and his quest with Grogu, they’re facing impossible odds surrounded by Dark Troopers with all hope lost, until a single X-wing seems to show up out of nowhere with a Jedi stepping out to save the day.

Except this Jedi’s lightsaber is crimson red and something about his demeaner seems off. He’s not here to recuse them.

Din asks “Are you a Jedi?”.

“No.” Luke then slaughters everyone in the room. (not sure how feasible this would be able to pull off lol but I’m sure something could work, even if it’s just an outside POV from the closed door as we hear screams as a last resort)

We see the perspective of different planets and people reacting to Holoscreens suddenly flickering.

Palpatine’s broadcast about his return plays as the galaxy’s people’s react in fright and dispair.

End of the first movie.

The second movie will take place after a large time skip and focus on setting up Rey and co., and everything else.

Kind of just disjointed rambling here lmao but I’m curious if anyone has any thoughts on this idea on paper as it is, I’ll share an actual rough draft of the first half of my edit soon. I’m about 40% into editing it.

We will watch your career with great interest!

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The alternate timeline premise great, but I’m never a fan of making a trilogy with non-trilogy films. It just feels off. You need a consistent cast.

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Not really a radical idea, but I would like to see the duel between Luke and Kylo Ren play out without any score. Just let it play out with the sound of the wind blowing, and the sabers crackling. Maybe you could slightly extend certain shots to help it play out a just little longer.

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In my Mandalorian style episodes of the sequel trilogy (forever in progress) I have removed the Death Star part 3 from the Force Awakens. Starkiller base is now just a first order base. No planet sized canon, no destruction of the New Republic. I just couldn’t stomach JJ’s lazy rehash of the Death Star plot. So what do to with that footage…

Enter the re-emergence of Palpatine. Being the creator of the Death Star he has the tech, and canons on the new Star Destroyers (better than Starkiller base in my opinion; at least it’s new) Here is a re-thinking of the Empire being reborn from the beginning of Rise of Skywalker utilizing footage and music from the Force Awakens.

https://mega.nz/file/t8gCmYJA#aKSHMvjg3xpfmtT-R1YIKfnX7FvhQ7xg4DE0kL2Oaw0

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So I was looking at my edits’ runtime and noticed TLJ is by far the longest (as in the canon cut), while TroS is the shortest at just shy of two hours. As you all know Finn and Rose have nothing to do in TRoS, but they have a whole sidequest in TLJ. Therefore, what if we moved Canto Bight to TRoS? Idk how one would implement it. On TLJ’s side, you obviously just skip over Canto Bight straight to the Supremacy, but for TRoS, finding a place for it would be a lot trickier. Heck, the different costumes and especially different haircut for Finn make it practically impossible. The person they’re looking for on Canto Bight could instead be Lando. Idk, just a thought. Probably not doable, but who knows.

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It would also be thematically dissonant; the meaning behind the Canto Bight sidequest doesn’t connect to anything in TROS, only the themes in TLJ. Which isn’t to say that things couldn’t be recontextualised - just that they’d have to be, extensively. I agree that giving Rose and Finn more to do in TROS would be great, though, and Canto Bight is “modular” enough as a sequence that it could in theory be dragged and dropped (other than the costumes and hair).

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All the more reason to turn these into Mando style episodes. The entire Canto Bight sequence would work as its own episode. Then you can use the deleted/extended Canto Bight sequence to flesh out the episode.

Creating the REASON for this side adventure then becomes the issue. There are a lot of shields in Star Wars… lot of reasons for a code breaker I guess. I personally would skip that episode when viewing all sequel episodes.

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Would it be possible to make Holdo a straight up villain? As is she’s an antagonist that the film decides the last minute is actually the good guy, and we’re wrong for hating her. What if instead she’s genuinely “a coward and a traitor” as Poe says, but realizes the error of her ways, leading to a redemption via kamikaze?

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How about editing TFA’s dialogue to remove references to Han and Leia being estranged following Ben’s fall? It doesn’t seem like it would require cutting much, and it would go a long way toward alleviating complaints about both character regression and the OT heroes all having miserable lives by the time the ST comes around.

EDIT (10/4/21): a rough outline of how this could work:

  1. Cut references out of Takodana conversation so it now reads:
  • MAZ: A map to Skywalker himself? You’re right back in the mess… The galaxy has been running away from this fight for too long. [Alternately, “we have been” if “the galaxy has” can’t be constructed from other dialogue.]
  • REY: What fight?
  1. Cut out “new hair/same jacket,” maybe replace some of C-3PO’s lines. Han’s awkward silence when seeing Leia here is now because he’s still reeling from seeing Ben and is bracing to raise the subject with Leia, not because it’s been a long time since he’s seen her.

  2. Edit conversation at Resistance base as follows (note: Leia’s “no, it was Snoke, he seduced…” isn’t related to removing the estrangement; I just hate how unnatural & exposition-y it sounds):

  • HAN: Listen to me, will you? I know every time you… every time you look at me, you’re reminded of him.
  • LEIA: You think I want to forget him? I want him back! I just never should have sent him away. That’s when I lost him. We both did.
  • HAN: There’s nothing more we could’ve done. There was too much Vader in him.
  • [wordless pause here as Han and Leia look at each other sadly]
  • LEIA: We can still save him. Me. You.
  • HAN: If Luke couldn’t reach him, how could I?
  • LEIA: Luke is a Jedi; you’re his father. There’s still light in him. I know it.
  1. Maybe cut “I did miss you.” Unsure if anything would need to go here, or how much.

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Yeah, one would have to remove Han´s “Leia doesn’t want to see me” when he talks to Maz and later when Han and Leia talk about each other’s looks when they meet. Hopefully their reunion doesn’t feel too rushed with this removal.

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Over on the General Discussion threads, Stardust1138 has been talking about GL’s ideas regarding his version of the ST and the Whills, and it got me thinking about them. GL is kind of vague about what the Whills are exactly, and it seems his idea regarding them changed over the decades.

I was thinking of ways how this idea could be mentioned or hinted at within the context of a fan edit. An obvious addition would be that one could find a place where someone could mention “the Whills”. Though creating such a mention would require the invention of such dialogue (obviously you could use the word ‘will’ as a basis for some kind of frankenbite) that actually sounds natural and would make sense in the context of a conversation.

Even if you couldn’t explain them, perhaps one could add in more moments of Rey hearing the mysterious whispers that she hears when she is near the island tree. At the very least, when the whispers are heard, you could add in subtitles that refer to them as whispering of the Whills.

Originally I had this idea where you could add in more moments of these whispers that Rey hears throughout the trilogy, and then in the climax of TROS, when she calls on the past Jedi to be with her, we would hear those whispers slowly become the coherent voices of the Jedi that we hear in the climax. So this would reveal that the whispers that have been guiding her on her journey were past Jedi/Force ghosts all along.

These two separate ideas made me consider the thought of combining the concepts. What if the Whills were simply a more official name for Force ghosts? George has at one point or another described the Whills as immortal, observant beings, but also that they were comparable to the concept of the actual “will of the Force”. Sure, this idea doesn’t necessarily fit into the “microbiotic world” George described in his interview with James Cameron, but if the Whills are the Force’s will made manifest, and the midichlorians commune with the Force, then it would explain Jedi voices’ advice to Rey about the Jedi living in her.

This idea would basically make the Whills equivalent to the idea of Buddhahood, where one reaches enlightenment and then guides others along that path. Force ghosts and Buddha already share the similarity of being people who reached spiritual enlightenment, achieve some semblance of immortality, and retains their individuality after their physical death. The word ‘Whill’ also is reminiscent to ‘will-o-the-wisps’, which are basically “ghost lights”. The Force ghosts are “ghost lights” too if you think about it. Plus, if Force ghosts are essentially servants to the will of the Force, it is fitting that their official name would be a homonym to ‘will’. I also think it simplifies things if the Whills end up being a concept we already kind of know about.

While not relevant to an edit, I would imagine The Journal of the Whills within this concept would simply be a physical journal written by someone who can commune with the Whills, and they share their stories and wisdom from the past. Perhaps Rey could even be the one who writes the Journal, or at least adds the Skywalker Saga to it.

So as far as actual changes go, the simplest thing would be the changes to subtitles. So, the subtitles for the whispers in TLJ is just “indistinct murmuring”. I would suggest changing it to “whispering of the Whills”. You could argue that additional information shouldn’t be included in subtitles, but the Jedi voices include the names of each Jedi speaking, which I would argue is additional information, since most people likely wouldn’t have been able to identify many of those voices anyway.

Perhaps when Rey is talking to Leia about her training in TROS, she could say…
Rey: I’m starting to think it’s impossible, hearing the voices of…
[cuts to Leia]
Rey: the Whills
Leia: Nothing’s impossible.

Or maybe the term never has to be mentioned, and the new subtitle for the whispers can just be an homage to George’s original treatment. Maybe you could add in the voice of a new Exposition Jedi into the voices sequence who could literally say, “We are the Whills. The Will of the Force”. Haha, or at least something more elegant.

And as I mentioned earlier, I would make the Force whispers more of a character by adding them into more places throughout the trilogy, like when Rey is “called” to the lightsaber, when she mind tricks the stormtrooper, etc.

To maybe play around with the microbiotic world, or at least ethereal plane of existence George apparently wanted to play around with, I also think it would be fun to play around with the TROS climax a little more. When Rey looks up to the Sky and hears the voices, we sit on a shot of a star field for awhile before cutting to Rey’s face looking up at it. I don’t know if this would actually work or even look good, but I thought it would be a cool, small change to make an interesting transition between these two shots. We zoom out from Rey, the battle, and the planet and just see the darkness of space and the stars dotting it. We begin hearing the voices, and then we zoom out from the star field and see the star field is within the pupil of her eye, and it continues to zoom out until we get back to the normal close-up short of Rey. Kind of trippy, but it ties into the idea of each person being one with the Force and the universe, the Jedi living within her, and each person being a vessel for the Whills and he Will of the Force, as George described in his Cameron interview. Even if the zoom in/out wouldn’t look good, I think it would also be cool if you saw the star field within Rey’s pupils. It’s a little more subtle than the original idea. Also, I like the idea of the star field being a black void at first, and then the stars began appearing as we start hearing more and more voices.

I’d be interested in hearing some thoughts on this, as well as hearing other ideas of blending some of George’s original concepts into the Sequel Trilogy. Another thing I have been interested in is adjusting the political/war plot to fit a little more with what George said about his ideas.

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GL is kind of vague about what the Whills are exactly, and it seems his idea regarding them changed over the decades.

I’m gonna be honest, I really wanna fly over to his house solely to ask him what the Whills are. Actually, video chat would probably be more practical, but you get the point. I’m really dying to know, and I bet if you asked the right people at Lucasfilm they could tell you too.

I’m sure he explained it all to them at some point, especially while making the Yoda’s Journey storyline for TCW. In fact, I think there’s reason to believe the so-called Force Priestesses in that story are actually Whills, as Qui-Gon says in deleted scenes from RotS he learned to become a Force ghost from the Whills and in TCW he guides Yoda to the Force Priestesses to learn this ability.

Oh and spontaneous title idea for Episode VIII or IX: Secret of the Whills.

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What if instead of Leia having a lightsaber, Rey built her own lightsaber, and it’s the one she uses for her training montage.