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If we hear Palpatine talking to Kylo from day one, that kinda renders the reveal that he’s been every voice meaningless because he’d already a prime suspect out in the open. For it to really be a twist that catches Kylo off guard it would make more sense for him to hear solely Vader’s voice, which would make more sense given the context of him communing with Vader’s spirit through his melted helmet. There could be an instance or two of Snoke’s voice in Kylo’s head, like maybe when he’s about to kill Leia. Then when Palps say the line, it’s like “Oh wow, Vader’s ghost, and those telepathic Snoke messages, those were Palpatine all along?” It would really shake up the audience’s and more importantly Kylo’s perspective. The scene of Kylo communing with Vader’s mask in TRoS could be pushed up to TLJ to build up this aspect before the Palpatine reveal, so we see it as something he does regularly before its true nature is revealed.

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I don’t think having one Palpatine line makes it obvious that Palpatine is the one talking to him. I mean, we would hear Palpatine, Vader and Snoke, so arguably Vader (or the dark side) is just showing him a vision of different voices and events. It could arguably be just frame it as a memory of Vader’s, when Palpatine said that to him in ROTS. I also think Palpatine’s line is sort of important to contextualize Kylo’s belief of the Jedi philosophy being destructive to stability and order.

But, alternatively, you could potentially use these Vader’s lines instead:

(Construct this line) Vader: Destroy the Jedi.

Vader: End this constructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy. It is your destiny…

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Wanted to share an old idea I had regarding the Kylo vision.

RogueLeader said:

An idea for TFA

I think it would be interesting if we actually gave Kylo a vision when he prays to Vader’s mask in TFA. Basically, it should illustrate “The Power of the Darkness” and provide some insight into Kylo Ren’s motivation to join the dark side, whether it be for power, order, or something else.

I don’t necessarily have an idea for specifics, but I do have two ideas in mind. At some point, it would be cool to see a shot of Anakin, exactly like this from the ROTS teaser, except Anakin’s face could transform like this concept art.

This was always an appealing piece of art to me, and this would be a clever way to incorporate it without having the lore issues of having a schizophrenic Anakin/Vader Force spirit. I have been considering incorporating Anakin’s Force ghost into The Rise of Skywalker somehow, and I think it would be nice to somehow establish who Anakin is/what he looks like within this trilogy, because if you’ve never seen the other films you might be like, “Who is this guy?”

Secondly, this would be another opportunity to foreshadow Palpatine’s connection to Ben Solo, Snoke, and the mask of Vader. I imagine you could have Vader dialogue since TROS implies Kylo Ren has heard Vader speak to him (although it was in fact Sidious). You would also get a nice parallel between Rey and Kylo, both receiving visions that push them forward on their journeys, one from the darkness and one from the light.

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RogueLeader said:

For the Resistance/spy lines, I feel like we could get some other volunteers. ThisIsCreation is helping us with an alien dub for TROS, so maybe he’d be willing to record some lines for that too? Faraday might also be game. It’d be nice to throw in a female voice for variation, but it wouldn’t be necessary.

I’m glad you guys like the Kylo’s dark side vision idea! I wasn’t really coming at it from the direction of mocking Kylo, but I think the fact Kylo was being manipulated would become more apparent by the time we get to TROS. I think it is a great way to get insight into how and why Kylo joined the dark side. I like the idea of Kylo thinking he is doing the right thing in his own mind. Kylo has been led to believe that the Jedi perpetuate a cycle of war that has been going on for a thousand generations. He believes it is his destiny to end the cycle, but he must sacrifice everything to be strong enough to fulfill it.

I also think it makes it interesting that both Kylo and Luke have come to the conclusion that the Jedi Order must end, but they have two different ideas for what should replace it. Unfortunately that doesn’t really go anywhere, and we seem to end with no new insight into how things will be different, but what can you do?

But like y’all said, I guess it is just a matter of isolating those lines and working from there.

PM me what youd like me to say and what kind of tone and things. I’d love to record some more stuff

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I wonder if it would be a good idea to show Luke’s lightsaber retracting in the final Academy flashback. To make the point of the scene more clear and dispel the misreading of the movie of Luke trying to kill Ben for having a bad dream. He’d have to re-ignite it when Ben attacks him, too, of course.

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SparkySywer said:

I wonder if it would be a good idea to show Luke’s lightsaber retracting in the final Academy flashback. To make the point of the scene more clear and dispel the misreading of the movie of Luke trying to kill Ben for having a bad dream. He’d have to re-ignite it when Ben attacks him, too, of course.

This issue with this would be removing the green glow on Ben. Otherwise this is an excellent idea.

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SparkySywer said:

I wonder if it would be a good idea to show Luke’s lightsaber retracting in the final Academy flashback. To make the point of the scene more clear and dispel the misreading of the movie of Luke trying to kill Ben for having a bad dream. He’d have to re-ignite it when Ben attacks him, too, of course.

Luke clearly changes his mind about killing Ben at the last minute. And it needed to be on so Ben would realize, “Oh shit, Luke found out that I’ve turned to the dark side and he was gonna stop me!”

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TestingOutTheTest said:

I have an idea about TLJ: during the first lesson scene, Rey not only sees the entrance of the cave, as usual, but also sees the mirror itself.

Not really sure this is needed to clarify the vision, after all Luke immediately infers the cave offered Rey something she craved.

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TestingOutTheTest said:

SparkySywer said:

I wonder if it would be a good idea to show Luke’s lightsaber retracting in the final Academy flashback. To make the point of the scene more clear and dispel the misreading of the movie of Luke trying to kill Ben for having a bad dream. He’d have to re-ignite it when Ben attacks him, too, of course.

Luke clearly changes his mind about killing Ben at the last minute. And it needed to be on so Ben would realize, “Oh shit, Luke found out that I’ve turned to the dark side and he was gonna stop me!”

Well, Jedi can sort of read minds. It does muddy Kylo Ren a little in that scene, but I think clarifying what’s going on with Luke is worth it. Because misreading the movie to thinking that Luke was killing Ben for having a bad dream is a bigger deal than not immediately getting how Ben knows what’s going on.

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SparkySywer said:

I wonder if it would be a good idea to show Luke’s lightsaber retracting in the final Academy flashback. To make the point of the scene more clear and dispel the misreading of the movie of Luke trying to kill Ben for having a bad dream. He’d have to re-ignite it when Ben attacks him, too, of course.

This issue with this would be removing the green glow on Ben. Otherwise this is an excellent idea.

This might be tedious but it’s definitely doable.

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Mask some extras into Mirialans, Pantorans, and Chiss to make the Galaxy feel more cohesive.

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That’s a fun idea. Definitely a job for EBSynth. Any specific extras in mind?

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SparkySywer said:

I wonder if it would be a good idea to show Luke’s lightsaber retracting in the final Academy flashback. To make the point of the scene more clear and dispel the misreading of the movie of Luke trying to kill Ben for having a bad dream. He’d have to re-ignite it when Ben attacks him, too, of course.

Had a go at making it. It’s a little rough and I think someone who’s more skilled (and also has access to better toys) than me might be able to do better. I just kinda cut out a shot to avoid the problem of the glow. It makes the continuity a little weird but it’s not so bad.

I painted out the green reflection in Kylo’s eyes but not from Luke’s eyes. To be honest, it’s because I didn’t notice you could really see it in Luke’s eyes that late in the shot until after I uploaded the youtube video and I didn’t take it down because I can’t guarantee I’ll have the same fixation on this when I got home from work tomorrow to fix it and reupload lol. Doing it would probably sell the retraction more, though.

I used EBSynth because painting out the reflection for 78 frames would be tedious, and I feel like there was a bit of a drop in quality because of that? But it’s probably no longer even visible thanks to youtube compression. Regardless, I’d probably do them all manually before ever putting them in a finished fanedit.

Speaking of which, I never noticed it before, but the sound in this scene is great.

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That’s really great, I think that’s very effective at dealing with that one particular criticism.

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That’s really well done. It would be great to get that extra missing shot in there as well, but if I was going to choose between the original or this version, I wouldn’t hesitate to go with this version.

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Has anyone experimented with any ways to fix (or at least mitigate) the fact that this trilogy ended with the Jedi being no more “returned” than they were at the end of Return of the Jedi?

It’s fun to imagine something crazy-ambitious, like filming new footage of Jedi students standing before Rey or something like that, but it seems to me the most realistic way of at least hinting at a New Jedi Order would be the following:

  1. end The Last Jedi on the Falcon in hyperspace; cut out the Broom Boy ending.

  2. replace The Rise of Skywalker’s Tatooine ending with the Broom Boy ending, which plays out as normal until Broom Boy walks outside…

  3. …where instead of looking up to the sky he finds Rey approaching him, with the implication being that she’s begun her search for students. This wouldn’t require any dialogue; just a couple new shots of Rey composited into the Canto Bight backgrounds, perhaps sold by original close-up footage of a Rey cosplayer’s arm stretching out to offer her hand.

I don’t know how everyone else here feels, but personally I could’ve tolerated TROS’s nonsense a LOT more if we had at least gotten a NJO when all was said and done…

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I had actually thought about doing something like that too. If someone could figure out how to match the camera movement so that the Falcon appears to be in one of the shots, I think we could make it work.

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Although it’s probably not doable, I think recreating the ending from DotF would be the ideal scenario for that.

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Cadavra said:

  1. end The Last Jedi on the Falcon in hyperspace; cut out the Broom Boy ending.

  2. replace The Rise of Skywalker’s Tatooine ending with the Broom Boy ending, which plays out as normal until Broom Boy walks outside…

  3. …where instead of looking up to the sky he finds Rey approaching him, with the implication being that she’s begun her search for students. This wouldn’t require any dialogue; just a couple new shots of Rey composited into the Canto Bight backgrounds, perhaps sold by original close-up footage of a Rey cosplayer’s arm stretching out to offer her hand.

This is a really intriguing idea! I’d love to see this done if any of the video people on here are up for it.

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TestingOutTheTest said:

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TestingOutTheTest said:

It’s already clear in the actual movie Holdo believed there was a spy, as no one in the Resistance believes that hyperspace tracking even exists.

That’s nowhere in the text of the movie. But I believe it would be easy to contextualise events so that it unequivocally reads as such, rather than one of many post-facto surmises.

It’s called an inference. It does not have to be spelled out to you.

Yes. I’m suggesting making that inference, one of many possible interpretations of the text, into the actual text itself. Leia and Holdo never talk about spies, they talk about following orders and being heroes.

To return to the key topic: has anyone hunted for any useful audio from either Dern or Fisher? Or would I be the first to go looking for this specific purpose?

My point is that it isn’t necessary to spoon-feed inferences to the audience and would just across as… [shudders] pandering - it would be the equivalent of having Kylo Ren go up to the screen in TFA and tell the audience that his injury is the reason he lost to Rey. I feel it’d be very on-the-nose.

Apologies for taking so long to respond.

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SparkySywer said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

SparkySywer said:

I wonder if it would be a good idea to show Luke’s lightsaber retracting in the final Academy flashback. To make the point of the scene more clear and dispel the misreading of the movie of Luke trying to kill Ben for having a bad dream. He’d have to re-ignite it when Ben attacks him, too, of course.

Luke clearly changes his mind about killing Ben at the last minute. And it needed to be on so Ben would realize, “Oh shit, Luke found out that I’ve turned to the dark side and he was gonna stop me!”

Well, Jedi can sort of read minds.

I’m not sure what your point is. And my point was from a storytelling perspective, not an in-universe perspective.

It does muddy Kylo Ren a little in that scene, but I think clarifying what’s going on with Luke is worth it. Because misreading the movie to thinking that Luke was killing Ben for having a bad dream is a bigger deal than not immediately getting how Ben knows what’s going on.

It’s the audience’s fault for misinterpreting the movie, not Rian’s fault. Most Star Wars fans, including prequel haters, don’t pay attention to any of the movies released post-RotJ and are certainly unaware of this storytelling technique called “inference”.

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Even the DOTF ending doesn’t take the story much further than ROTJ, and certainly no further than pre-TFA events.

Maybe that’s the point of the trilogy: nothing’s ever final and the cycle will play out. You can despair or fight anyway.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.