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That motivation would be trickier to pull off, but likely possible.

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I just had kind of a crazy idea:
What if we use the audio from that deleted scene of Finn confronting Phasma and had him say it earlier - like, when he’s about to be executed? Then the stormtrooper turns around and decapitates Phasma (this wouldn’t need to be shown in too much detail, since the scene is intercut with a lot of other stuff. Maybe just add an animation of the lightning-axe-thing swinging over one of the shots of Phasma turning her head). Then, remove the fight and have Finn and Rose go straight to the shuttle - but while this is happening, repurpose some of the shots from later of stormtroopers running away to make it look like they’re escaping too.
And this is the tricky part - change the conversation between Finn and Jannah in TROS to make it so that she was the executioner.
You could even take it a step further and reinstate the deleted scene of Finn convincing a Stormtrooper to let him go, but edit a black “executioner” stripe onto his helmet, and dub him with a female voice to that it’s also Jannah.

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Ed Slushie said:

I just had kind of a crazy idea:
What if we use the audio from that deleted scene of Finn confronting Phasma and had him say it earlier - like, when he’s about to be executed? Then the stormtrooper turns around and decapitates Phasma (this wouldn’t need to be shown in too much detail, since the scene is intercut with a lot of other stuff. Maybe just add an animation of the lightning-axe-thing swinging over one of the shots of Phasma turning her head). Then, remove the fight and have Finn and Rose go straight to the shuttle - but while this is happening, repurpose some of the shots from later of stormtroopers running away to make it look like they’re escaping too.
And this is the tricky part - change the conversation between Finn and Jannah in TROS to make it so that she was the executioner.
You could even take it a step further and reinstate the deleted scene of Finn convincing a Stormtrooper to let him go, but edit a black “executioner” stripe onto his helmet, and dub him with a female voice to that it’s also Jannah.

This seems like a cool idea, not sure if it can be pulled off though. Can you mock up a version with how you’d redo the execution scene and the scene where he meets Jannah?

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Ed Slushie said:

I just had kind of a crazy idea:
What if we use the audio from that deleted scene of Finn confronting Phasma and had him say it earlier - like, when he’s about to be executed? Then the stormtrooper turns around and decapitates Phasma (this wouldn’t need to be shown in too much detail, since the scene is intercut with a lot of other stuff. Maybe just add an animation of the lightning-axe-thing swinging over one of the shots of Phasma turning her head). Then, remove the fight and have Finn and Rose go straight to the shuttle - but while this is happening, repurpose some of the shots from later of stormtroopers running away to make it look like they’re escaping too.
And this is the tricky part - change the conversation between Finn and Jannah in TROS to make it so that she was the executioner.
You could even take it a step further and reinstate the deleted scene of Finn convincing a Stormtrooper to let him go, but edit a black “executioner” stripe onto his helmet, and dub him with a female voice to that it’s also Jannah.

Man, that sounds really cool
If it can be pulled off convincingly, I think it would give a little bit of depth to Jannah’s character and would add give a nice sense of continuity with Finn’s arc in TLJ (since we don’t have any deleted scenes about Rose in RoS)

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I always did think their execution would’ve been the perfect time for a rousing speech to make them rebel.

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I’m trying to cook up a satisfying way to edit Snoke out of the sequels entirely.
The main problem is his screen time in The Last Jedi.
What I want to do is cut the talk with Snoke, him getting cut in half, and the Praetorian guard fight, but keep some of the “let the past die” discussion.
So here’s what I’m thinking. Place the Kylo/Rey “let the past die” dialogue earlier in the film, in the scene where Rey and Kylo Ren are talking via the ForceTime in the hut on Ach-To.
To do this swap, I’d have to mask out the more obvious star destroyer elements from the Kylo/Rey closeups, and then maybe create a custom wide angle shot. Maybe the scene could be set in a vision of Luke’s destroyed temple, to explain the fire and destruction in the existing footage.
Kylo would offer for Rey to join him, they’d nearly touch hands, Luke would barge in and the movie would continue pretty much as normal, just without the scenes on Snoke’s ship. Next time we see Rey she’s flying in to help the Resistance on Crait.
Feel free to reply and let me know what you think of this idea!

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IlFanEditore said:

Except Luke wasn’t “changed for the worse”, IMHO.
I really don’t understand what people watched (and then I’ll promise I’ll shut up. And always remember “De gustibus non disputandum est”).

  1. Luke’s strenght was never his infallibility. Luke wasn’t Superman. Luke wasn’t a perfect hero. Never. He always made mistakes. While Leia was fighting in the Alliance, he was “playing” on Tatooine and he wanted to become a Rebel just because he wanted adventures. In Empire he makes a huge mistake that brings to him losing a hand and almost dying. In Return he almost falls to the Dark Side as soon as Vader taunts him. That’s why in my opinion TLJ’s Luke is in line with OT. What he did with Ben was a mistake, and the movie itself recognizes it as a mistake. Objection: “But he tried to redeem Vader. Why didn’t he do the same with Ben?” —> Well, of course because in this case he was responsible.
  2. Everyone loved The Mandalorian scene because “that’s the real Luke Skywalker”. Excuse me? In Empire, Yoda says that a Jedi uses the Force “for knowledge and defence”. That’s precisely what he does in TLJ, he projects not to kill but to protect the Resistance. THAT his the concretization of Luke’s arc. His scene in The Mandalorian actually builds on TLJ’s Luke. It mirrors Rogue One’s Vader scene, and Luke (unlike Ahsoka) doesn’t have any doubts about training Grogu. Luke is hot headed, ready to do everything to rebuild the Order. What I’m saying is that there’s only ONE Luke. A flawed hero who makes mistakes (in OT, in The Mandalorian, in TLJ) but always manages to learn from those mistakes. Yet almost everyone is like “I loved him in the Mandalorian because he’s a true jedi there (even though he acts almost like a Sith). But I hate TLJ because that’s not Luke (even though he makes a mistakes, learns from it and brings his arc to a conclusion by using the Force to protect others)”.

I’m sorry for this. I’ll delete it if it’s too much, lol.

The point in Return of the Jedi is that he overcame the temptation to the dark side. It’s the end of his arc, in the last movie. The intent wasn’t to have the audience think that confronting the Emperor and Vader was completely meaningless and that Luke would eventually fall to the dark side anyway. That would be dumb.

And, even though he made a lot of mistakes, his most consistent character traits are his care for his friends and his belief that others can be redeemed. Even if he did inevitably fail at something big like with Ben he wouldn’t try to kill Ben in his sleep or give up entirely and abandon everyone to destruction. You CAN tell a story like that even though it’s unsatisfying and depressing, but you have to do a lot more work than just having one moment completely reverse his character and his entire arc and explaining it as “he got really spooked.”

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Vladius said:

The point in Return of the Jedi is that he overcame the temptation to the dark side.

*his own impulses that made him much more prone to temptation to the dark side

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So, y’all still complaining about JJ Abrams making Luke abandon everyone he cared about in The Force Awakens? Or are you still blaming the person who had to pick up and tell that story thread rather than the person who came up with it?

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JakeRyan17 said:

So, y’all still complaining about JJ Abrams making Luke abandon everyone he cared about in The Force Awakens? Or are you still blaming the person who had to pick up and tell that story thread rather than the person who came up with it?

I didn’t see anyone blaming a particular director, no.

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Those earlier comments were all centred around The Last Jedi, but angry at a plot point created in TFA. So, forgive me for being glib.

Also, Luke hadn’t fallen to the Dark Side. His “grumpy” desire for the Jedi to end was in fact him resisting the Dark Side.

As for nearly killing Ben after his arc being complete, people aren’t video games. While his arc was complete then, to assume any character development he would ever undergo happened in the roughly five years that the original trilogy takes place and not at all during the subsequent 30 years is just dumb. People regress all the time, people make mistakes all the time. It’s part of being human. Had Luke just stayed a stoic and perfect hero, as people are pretending The Mandalorian retcons, it would’ve been the most boring film ever, and even far worse than The Rise of Skywalker as it was already delivered to us. Fan service for the sake of fan service is asinine.

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JakeRyan17 said:

So, y’all still complaining about JJ Abrams making Luke abandon everyone he cared about in The Force Awakens? Or are you still blaming the person who had to pick up and tell that story thread rather than the person who came up with it?

I know you have a strong hate for Abrams but he didn’t come up with that idea either, Lucas did.

Use the Force, Joh Yowza.

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I like the idea of Luke becoming a grumpy hermit. I’m tired of people hating on Johnson for a plot element from Abrams’ script and film. My annoyance is that almost everything people complain about with The Last Jedi is due to how half baked The Force Awakens is, yet they don’t want to blame the responsible party, but rather the man who came in to clean up the mess.

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I regret jumping into the ST arguments into this thread all the time, because this isn’t the ST arguments thread, this is the random ST fanedit ideas thread. But… I have no self control and have to have the last word.

If Luke being a hermit is a given, the reason Rian gave for why is the best possible reason, especially given the context given to him in TFA. I’ve never, ever seen anyone propose an alternative reason they would’ve preferred, period, let alone a better one. And all the other reasons I can think of (Luke’s trapped there, Luke’s hunting/researching something that’ll help him beat Snoke, etc) don’t lead into anything more creatively interesting than “Good guys and bad guys get in a big fight and the good guys win”. For a sequel to something as big as Star Wars, I want something better than that.

Maybe I’m missing something, but again, nobody ever proposes anything they’d have preferred, let alone something actually better than that.

I’ve never seen Luke’s vision as out of character, though. Luke sees a vision of Ben killing all his friends, Leia, Han, and destroying everything he and his friends spent their whole lives working so hard on. And he realizes he could prevent it all from happening incredibly easily, but he knows it’s wrong to do that. Not just because killing some teenager is super fucked up, but because of what he learned with Vader. Anyone can be redeemed and no person’s future is set in stone.

When Ben destroys his temple, he looks back at his own actions and the actions of the prequel-era Jedi, and comes to the conclusion that the Jedi taking too active of a role in the galaxy was harmful. So he chooses to go into exile, because he believes that’s what’s best for the galaxy.

Seems pretty in-character to me. Even for young Luke, and bear in mind, the ST Luke has spend a good majority of his life after Return of the Jedi.

The idea that Luke in TLJ’s character is “He tried to kill Ben in his sleep and then he abandoned all his friends and the galaxy to sulk and be depressed” is, to put it diplomatically… not entirely accurate.

And don’t really think the decision to put Luke on the island in TFA is that big a deal either. I’m a fan of TFA, and looking for Luke Skywalker was a good hook into a new story and new characters. It’s a little safe, but after the prequels and a change in ownership, faith in Lucasfilm was at an all time low from 2012-2015. TFA undeniably won it back, being the most uncontroversially popular thing that’s been put out since the buyout. Except maybe Mando Season 1.

Maybe I’m missing some better big picture story, but most ST rewrites (which take place at the appropriate time for the actors’ ages) just have the OT trio as entirely static characters, who face off against a boring new villain, and do absolutely nothing interesting on the way to victory.

(Which sucks, because I want to get into ST rewrites but most of them are really awful)

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SparkySywer said:

If Luke being a hermit is a given, the reason Rian gave for why is the best possible reason, especially given the context given to him in TFA.

100% this.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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SparkySywer said:

I regret jumping into the ST arguments into this thread all the time, because this isn’t the ST arguments thread, this is the random ST fanedit ideas thread. But… I have no self control and have to have the last word.

If Luke being a hermit is a given, the reason Rian gave for why is the best possible reason, especially given the context given to him in TFA. I’ve never, ever seen anyone propose an alternative reason they would’ve preferred, period, let alone a better one. And all the other reasons I can think of (Luke’s trapped there, Luke’s hunting/researching something that’ll help him beat Snoke, etc) don’t lead into anything more creatively interesting than “Good guys and bad guys get in a big fight and the good guys win”. For a sequel to something as big as Star Wars, I want something better than that.

Maybe I’m missing something, but again, nobody ever proposes anything they’d have preferred, let alone something actually better than that.

I’ve never seen Luke’s vision as out of character, though. Luke sees a vision of Ben killing all his friends, Leia, Han, and destroying everything he and his friends spent their whole lives working so hard on. And he realizes he could prevent it all from happening incredibly easily, but he knows it’s wrong to do that. Not just because killing some teenager is super fucked up, but because of what he learned with Vader. Anyone can be redeemed and no person’s future is set in stone.

When Ben destroys his temple, he looks back at his own actions and the actions of the prequel-era Jedi, and comes to the conclusion that the Jedi taking too active of a role in the galaxy was harmful. So he chooses to go into exile, because he believes that’s what’s best for the galaxy.

Seems pretty in-character to me. Even for young Luke, and bear in mind, the ST Luke has spend a good majority of his life after Return of the Jedi.

The idea that Luke in TLJ’s character is “He tried to kill Ben in his sleep and then he abandoned all his friends and the galaxy to sulk and be depressed” is, to put it diplomatically… not entirely accurate.

And don’t really think the decision to put Luke on the island in TFA is that big a deal either. I’m a fan of TFA, and looking for Luke Skywalker was a good hook into a new story and new characters. It’s a little safe, but after the prequels and a change in ownership, faith in Lucasfilm was at an all time low from 2012-2015. TFA undeniably won it back, being the most uncontroversially popular thing that’s been put out since the buyout. Except maybe Mando Season 1.

Maybe I’m missing some better big picture story, but most ST rewrites (which take place at the appropriate time for the actors’ ages) just have the OT trio as entirely static characters, who face off against a boring new villain, and do absolutely nothing interesting on the way to victory.

(Which sucks, because I want to get into ST rewrites but most of them are really awful)

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Nah. And this is coming from someone who didn’t really have much of an issue with Luke’s portrayal in TLJ.

TLJ had already set up the concept that dark side and light side rise and fall in unison. Luke comes to believe that by rebooting the Jedi, he is giving rise to Snoke and Kylo Ren. Thus he exiles himself in an attempt to return balance to the galaxy without the need for another civil war.

When Rey arrives, he realizes that all he has done is push the responsibility onto someone else, and has to come to terms with his lack of vision.

There. No flashbacks, no attempted murder, no sophomoric whinging about how the Jedi suck. Just Luke making a single well-intentioned mistake and getting his friends killed because of it.

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So, you want to cut the character development out? That doesn’t make sense.

Luke is very clear about what he did and why, and SparkySywer did a great job summarising it.

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Let’s Make TLJ Worse is an unusual radical redux

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I’m probably going to be in the minority, but other than adding palpatine’s ‘find me’ audio to the end of TLJ that is found in Hal9000’s edit (i think that’s the one i have), i love TLJ warts and all.

Leia’s space scene hit me hard, and the fact carrie was dead at the time makes it that much sadder. It’s one of my favorite scenes.

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I’ve been toying around with removing the superweapon aspect of Force Awakens altogether. Hopefully I can get something working : )

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Magnificent!!!

If there was some way to call the planet Ilum onscreen…

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JakeRyan17 said:

So, you want to cut the character development out? That doesn’t make sense.

Luke is very clear about what he did and why, and SparkySywer did a great job summarising it.

Except that Luke’s reasons for exile are

1: He feels guilty about almost killing Ben/failing his new order

and/or

2: He thinks the Jedi are fundamentally flawed due to letting Palpatine rise under their noses and being vain about using the Force.

Both of these reasons amount to Luke ‘running away’ because in none of them does he draw a clear line between his power and the rise of the Dark Side.

As to this cutting out the character development, this is supposed to be Rey’s story in the first place and it merely streamlines the theme of Luke’s failure rather than complicating it with flashbacks and lengthy explanations that threaten to lose parts of the audience. If you need paragraphs to explain a secondary character’s motivations in a Star Wars movie, you’ve failed.

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