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I see the symbolic purpose of it being the blue saber since it’s specifically the one he threw over his shoulder at the start of the movie, and that Kylo wanted so badly in TFA, and I get that blue looks more aesthetic against red on Crait… But wishing Luke had projected with his green saber is my one guilty fandom-menace-tier sequel opinion.

I got the impression he was projecting as Ben remembered him in order to encourage Kylo to not think too much about it, but the blue saber is a big giveaway. Obviously Kylo was really, really, very angry, so it’s totally plausible that he didn’t notice, or assumed Luke was using a different blue saber, but it seems unnecessarily reckless on Luke’s part considering he went to the effort of otherwise looking like his younger self, hair and robes and all.

And now that the Mandalorian is giving us imagery of Jedi Master Luke - the “legend” that Luke is intentionally trying to leverage at the end of TLJ - having that green saber, it feels like a reprise of it on Crait would tie better symbolically into Luke’s franchise wide arc. After all, even if it isn’t the exact same saber he rejected at the start, I think seeing Luke accept a lightsaber again is essentially the same.

I think using both would’ve been odd, though. We’ve never got the impression that Luke duel wields like Ahsoka, and it would’ve struck me as quite over the top.

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Luke just didn’t know the saber was destroyed. He wasn’t in Snoke’s throne room. Everything about the projection was designed to anger Kylo more. And Kylo was clouded by his anger, and unable to think about the saber’s destruction.

I think the scene would’ve worked just as well with the green saber, just think both would’ve made Kylo think about it too much and realise it wasn’t real.

With Luke giving Rey Leia’s saber, I wonder if he got rid of his Lightsaber between the destruction of the temple and his arrival on Ahch-To.

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JakeRyan17 said:

Luke just didn’t know the saber was destroyed. He wasn’t in Snoke’s throne room. Everything about the projection was designed to anger Kylo more. And Kylo was clouded by his anger, and unable to think about the saber’s destruction.

I think the scene would’ve worked just as well with the green saber, just think both would’ve made Kylo think about it too much and realise it wasn’t real.

With Luke giving Rey Leia’s saber, I wonder if he got rid of his Lightsaber between the destruction of the temple and his arrival on Ahch-To.

I think he looses the saber in the “fight” between him and Kylo when Ben puts him to sleep. Also I kinda really like he uses the blue saber because the green one kinda represents all his failure with Ben, so even if he hadn’t lost it I really think he wouldn’t be able to use it again, and showing him using the blue saber at his final heroic moment against Ben and not trying to attack Ben at any point, shows that Luke gives away all the pride and failure the legendary luke skywalker and his green saber represents. That Luke is the same Luke that blinded for his own ego tries to kill Ben. When he uses the blue saber represents a more young and naive Luke, a pure-hearted one we see in New Hope and Empire.
But I really think is kinda of a waste Luke don’t using both of them. Luke was like THE GRAND MASTER of new jedi, he certainly knows how to fight with two sabers.

“The greatest teacher failure is”
-Yoda

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I mean, that could’ve been cool, but they couldn’t fit every cool idea into these movies. Maybe he’ll wield two in some future story, but having him wield two in a fan edit would be impossible.

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Ackbagel is working on a clip of Rey instinctively using telekinesis to unlock the restraints (removing her using the mind trick), for his edit of The Force Awakens. Anyone want to help him out with visuals and stuff for that specific clip?

Now, I know one’ll probably say that the reason Rey knows how to use the mind trick is because of the dyad, which I would agree with, but one should never have to go outside of a film in order for it to make sense on its own, in this case The Force Awakens (it’s why films such as Battlefield Earth, The Emoji Movie and even the prequels are still criticized to this day).

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Eh, Luke instinctively uses it in Empire without any indication as to whether telekinesis requires training, whereas he didn’t know what the mind trick was in A New Hope, implying the latter requires training in order to learn how to use it.

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Some spit-ball ideas I’ve not yet smoothed out…

When you look at TFA, they are running around looking for the map to Luke. Then, TLJ is the meat-potatoes of the drama between Rey/Kylo and Kylo/Luke, and Kylo/Snoke. With Abrams back for TROS, everyone is back to running around to find wayfinders.

The most fascinating aspects of the entire trilogy are Rey vs Kylo and Kylo vs Luke. My thoughts are, is it possible to make the Palpatine scenes a ‘dream sequence’ that Kylo is imagining? His lust for power and everytime he touches the vader helmet leads him to imagine Palp’s promise of ruling the galaxy? Then, Kylo “force sucks” Rey into this dream battle, so all of their fights are, essentially, a dream? The only actual fight is the ending of TJL, in Snoke’s room. So for 2 movies, you keep the focus of Rey vs Kylo battling in their minds.

Meanwhile, you somehow combine/edit the search for Luke’s map and the search for the wayfinders as being the same, but longer, search. So, Rey starts off force-sensitive. She meets Kylo and then they battle in dream sequences, including Palp. Luke’s map is finally found, Rey meets Luke (at end of 2nd movie, or beginning of 3rd). The story ends with the First order being fought by the Resistance on multiple fronts, at Exegol (minus Palp references) and at the Starkiller Base (reducing death-star parallels).

You could use the opening of TLJ as the intro to the whole story (and Poe). It sets up the first order vs Resistance arc, and save Poe’s contact with Lor San Tekka for the middle of the sequels. You could also save Han’s death til the end of the 2nd movie, maybe.

Lots could be deleted. This might only be 2 movies instead of 3. Some of my ideas I haven’t thought all the way through and may not be possible. I’m still working out the details and will post a coherent storyline later. Maybe this will help someone else figure it out…

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So, the whole Kylo/Rey drama (mostly) happens in their minds. It’s a battle of wills. A force battle. Snoke is a projection of Kylo’s fantasy, that he’s gotten everyone to believe is true. Palp represents the pull towards the dark side, and the constant invitation of Kylo to Rey to join him, is her battle against the dark side.

The battle in Snoke’s room is just a fantasy. Kylo thinks he can get Rey to join him, but she doesn’t. Kylo kills Han in the middle of movie 2 or 3, for real. But then his fight with Rey in the snow, where she beats him, wakes him up to reality that he’s not strong.

You could even have Luke be (mostly) a dream/vision for Rey. They meet in real life, in movie 3, but he his lack of wanting to get involved in the First Order battle is a test for Rey. When he says he won’t fight, she becomes attracted to the dark side and starts “force talking” to Kylo. The battle on Crait happens towards the end of movie 2, and is Luke showing Rey the power of the force. She chooses the good side. In the beginning of movie 3, there are flashbacks to Rey’s training from Luke while she trains with Leia.

Once Kylo loses to Luke in the battle, and he sees Ray choosing the good force side, Kylo travels to Exegol (for real). He thinks going to the death star will give him more power and he starts fantasizing about Palp. Kylo force pulls Rey into the fantasy and she meets Palp. Rey travels (for real) to Exegol, to face Kylo in the ocean/ship battle. This battle is interwoven with the dream fight between Kylo/Rey/Palp.

In Kylo’s force dream, he experiences the true evil of the dark side/Palp and Ray is seduced by Palp. But Leia intervenes, which causes her to die, and this intervention screws with Kylo’s control of the dream, which is when Palp seemingly kills Kylo. Then Ray almost dies too. But because he loves Rey, when she dies, this distracts Kylo in real life, as he’s fighting Rey (for real) on the ship. This is when Rey stabs him on the ship (in real life). Kylo is mortally wounded, and he redeems himself, when Han shows back up and tells him it’s ok. Kylo dies redeemed and the Resistance beats the first order.

It sounds cool. Not sure if it can be pulled off.

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I think this would be a little too much. Especially with Snoke and Luke, which I think would be confusing and unsatisfying for viewers. I did recently had some ideas for a Palpatine-less TROS edit that would also reinterpret bits of Palpatine’s scenes as a dark side vision.

But, I think the key is that you can’t use too much of it, and it would be better to cut it in a way that makes the dream-like quality of the scenes apparent.

My idea for these visions, though, would only be limited to being induced by the Sith temple on Exegol and Palpatine’s throne room. So it sort of follows of rules of the dark side caves on Dagobah and Ahch-To. There are nexuses of the dark side throughout the galaxy where physical locations can induce visions and hallucinations. I think this helps ground the visions, and makes it less confusing for people to differentiate dream from reality.

With that said, I think one could potentially edit the Palpatine scenes in TROS to try and make it seem like Palpatine is just a manifestation of the dark side cave. So maybe you could pull off cutting “undead Palpatine” from the movie without making major restructures to the plot.

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So Luke isn’t a dream but he doesn’t burn down the tree, the jedi order doesn’t need to end and yoda doesn’t even appear. He just hesitates to train Rey as part of a test. And still saves the day on crait. Similar to how Yoda didn’t fight in Empire; he trained Luke to fight.

Or maybe, after Luke saves the day, he then sees Yoda, who tells him that Rey has everything she needs going forward. Then Luke dies.

After Rey moves the boulders on crait, she no longer is tempted to the dark side. The big thing is Snoke/Palp are a dream. The other battles remain the same - First Order vs Resistance.

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Has anyone thought about making Rey a padawan “abandoned” by her master? I’m asking that since I was thinking of a way that she could battle Kylo without the justification of her “downloading” Kylo’s training into her mind during the interrogation scene in TFA

The story I was imagining for her with the footage we already have would somewhat go like this:

-Rey is born in Jakku, as the daughter of two selfish jerks
-Her parents then sell Rey to a young woman, a Jedi
-The woman then proceeded to train Rey at a very young age (Rey’s parents on the other hand, already died)
-Years later, Rey’s master learns that Rey was targeted by the Sith and hids her on Jakku (We repurpose footage of Rey’s mother to depict this, while also cutting Rey’s father entirely)
-Rey is left behind by the woman and, blinded by the dark side, kills her master with the use of force lighting
-The traumatic experience is blocked from Rey’s mind and she probably misremembers her master as her true mother

All of this would be implied across the trilogy, with the plot twist in Episode IX being that Rey killed the only person that really cared for her until she met Finn and BB-8

Also, this would erase the feeling that Kylo’s lines in TLJ about Rey’s parents are being retconned in ROS (they would be actually expanded and fleshed out) and would give a better excuse about how Rey can fight (and win) against an experimented force user

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ELAYEM said:

Has anyone thought about making Rey a padawan “abandoned” by her master? I’m asking that since I was thinking of a way that she could battle Kylo without the justification of her “downloading” Kylo’s training into her mind during the interrogation scene in TFA

The story I was imagining for her with the footage we already have would somewhat go like this:

-Rey is born in Jakku, as the daughter of two selfish jerks
-Her parents then sell Rey to a young woman, a Jedi
-The woman then proceeded to train Rey at a very young age (Rey’s parents on the other hand, already died)
-Years later, Rey’s master learns that Rey was targeted by the Sith and hids her on Jakku (We repurpose footage of Rey’s mother to depict this, while also cutting Rey’s father entirely)
-Rey is left behind by the woman and, blinded by the dark side, kills her master with the use of force lighting
-The traumatic experience is blocked from Rey’s mind and she probably misremembers her master as her true mother

All of this would be implied across the trilogy, with the plot twist in Episode IX being that Rey killed the only person that really cared for her until she met Finn and BB-8

Also, this would erase the feeling that Kylo’s lines in TLJ about Rey’s parents are being retconned in ROS (they would be actually expanded and fleshed out) and would give a better excuse about how Rey can fight (and win) against an experimented force user

Fascinating… I could see that working really well as a twist. The audience had always been made to assume the shot of Rey yelling at a spaceship to “come back” was referring to her parents… but if we found out it wasn’t (assuming you cut the line where Rey explicitly says “my parents were on that ship”) then it would be quite interesting.

You’ve got to ask yourself one question: “Am I making Carrie Fisher’s ghost proud?”
Well, are ya, punk?

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Ed Slushie said:

Fascinating… I could see that working really well as a twist. The audience had always been made to assume the shot of Rey yelling at a spaceship to “come back” was referring to her parents… but if we found out it wasn’t (assuming you cut the line where Rey explicitly says “my parents were on that ship”) then it would be quite interesting.

Yeah, that line should obviously be removed and I appreciate very much that you liked it
I was thinking about it an attempt to do a “reverse and darker” version of Anakin’s story in Episode I with the footage we have about Rey’s backstory

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Before realizing that Roundhead Rian wanted to destroy star wars, as I was watching TLJ, I always thought that big reveal was going to be that Luke abandoned Rey on Jakku, to hide/protect her. She was a padwan in his school so didn’t remember her parents (setup in TFA), Kylo was older than her, so he would remember her joining the school. When Kylo and Knights of Ren attacked the school to kill the padwans, Luke was able to gather a few children and escape, one being Rey. So when Rey was looking at the ship, she was sad that Luke left, who was basically her father (…or may her actual father…sounds like JJ Abrams hadn’t decided). But at that point, she could’ve been related to Luke, Obi-Wan, or even Leia still (since all she remembers was Luke at the school, having been adopted by the school very young). Of course, Roundhead Rian destroyed all that.

These movies were popcorn movies; nothing complicated about them. JJ Abrams had it setup to explain why Rey could use the force…

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And thank god he destroyed it… so disappointed Rey had to have “significant” parents. A akin had an immaculate conception and still didn’t base his entire personality on his birth.

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Rtiller said:

Before realizing that Roundhead Rian wanted to destroy star wars, as I was watching TLJ, I always thought that big reveal was going to be that Luke abandoned Rey on Jakku, to hide/protect her. She was a padwan in his school so didn’t remember her parents (setup in TFA), Kylo was older than her, so he would remember her joining the school. When Kylo and Knights of Ren attacked the school to kill the padwans, Luke was able to gather a few children and escape, one being Rey. So when Rey was looking at the ship, she was sad that Luke left, who was basically her father (…or may her actual father…sounds like JJ Abrams hadn’t decided). But at that point, she could’ve been related to Luke, Obi-Wan, or even Leia still (since all she remembers was Luke at the school, having been adopted by the school very young). Of course, Roundhead Rian destroyed all that.

These movies were popcorn movies; nothing complicated about them. JJ Abrams had it setup to explain why Rey could use the force…

Abrams deliberately had it set up so that any twist could theoretically work. Not matching your headcanon doesn’t make something bad.

You’ve got to ask yourself one question: “Am I making Carrie Fisher’s ghost proud?”
Well, are ya, punk?

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Yeah, as much as I dislike The Last Jedi, we shouldn’t be calling him names, it’s the story that deserves criticism, not him or any writer.

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Sorry if my Rian comment offended some of you. I figured that since this thread’s goal was to edit the sequels, that most of you didn’t like TLJ, which is the main reason the sequels need to be edited, from a story standpoint.

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From a story standpoint, it’s the only film in the trilogy with character arcs.

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Uh, what? In TFA, Rey accepts her family is never coming back to see or get her, and Finn learns to stop running away from the First Order and fight for someone: Rey.

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Rtiller said:

Sorry if my Rian comment offended some of you. I figured that since this thread’s goal was to edit the sequels, that most of you didn’t like TLJ, which is the main reason the sequels need to be edited, from a story standpoint.

Arguably all three of them have deeply underwhelming aspects that make people want to edit them on a trilogy level.

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TestingOutTheTest said:

Uh, what? In TFA, Rey accepts her family is never coming back to see or get her, and Finn learns to stop running away from the First Order and fight for someone: Rey.

She doesn’t really accept that, she just swaps out Luke as the one she’s searching for, it’s even spoken in dialogue. That’s not an arc. And Finn wanting to get into Rey’s pants isn’t really an arc either…