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Unusual Sequel Trilogy Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 45

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Finn was way more comedic in TFA. the fact it didn’t go anywhere, again, can only be laid at Abrams’ feet. TLJ is where he became a person beyond those trailer moments. Poe was never even meant to be a main character, TLJ gave him an arc to make him into a character, but Poe surviving the crash in TFA is a big part of why Finn gets sidelined later on: the two characters are too similar.

He has an impact in TLJ. Just because that impact is a failed plan (to disable the hyperspace tracking) does not mean it didn’t have an impact. Had they not gone on that mission, with Poe’s blessing, Holdo’s plan to escape to Crait would’ve worked. The Canto Bight sequence is immensely relevant to the story.

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Hi everyone !

I’ve been watching the amazing stuff you’re all doing for some time now and I’ve finally decided to join the forum.
I’m beginning with audio mixing and here’s a rescored version of the battle of Exegol, with the rearranged version of the SW main theme by Samuel Kim (I must admit I didn’t ask his permission to use his stuff but we’ll probably have to if someone wanted to implement this in its edit) :

https://vimeo.com/422006287

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It’s still a little rough so please let me know about any possible improvement.

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It’s really good, but Kim’s trailer music style simply doesn’t gel well with Williams’.

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Yeah, and not to disparage the efforts of everyone who’s tried this with other scenes (because the work is solid itself, just needs some cleaning up) but I have a problem with how even more manipulative it makes the scene come off. It’s a great emotional piece (not gelling with Williams aside) on its own, but in this context only highlights how much TROS wants or expects you to care without having done anything to deserve it. I love Babu Frik as much as the next guy, but the whole contrivance of losing the battle -> “just people!” saving the day becomes even more hamfisted and patronizing.

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I think that with so many of those extra ships being ships from the rebellion helps make it less “just people” coming to save the day as opposed to those that hadn’t organised yet. Similar to the concept in the Rebels series and Rogue One that there were small rebel cells before forming an Alliance.

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I agree. That said, I think this would be the one place where Kim’s music might actually work. It is supposed to be this epic but also emotional moment, and having watched this clip I’d say using Kim’s music is better than William’s.

I think the biggest problem is the pacing. Yes, emotional manipulation is an issue but that can’t really be avoided, this is supposed to be the final battle. But the pacing is really rough. There is no downtime between “we’ve lost” to “there are more of us!”. The film needs to breathe at this point to get it right.

So comparing this to the scene let’s be real we all know TROS was inspired by, look how much time eclipses between the “we’ve lost” moment to the “everybody’s here!”. There’s this tension that’s slowly building as the heroes gather together. It’d be so jarring otherwise (as we see in TROS).
https://youtu.be/xp2YlHPAyVI?t=62

So in short, I used Luka Frik’s edit as a base and gave it one small scene between the “we’ve lost” moment and the “big celebration”. It’s the moment where the First Order is questioning what’s happening (with some ROTS music for good measure). I think it works really well here, the sound mixing isn’t perfect but I can fix that over time.

MY ONE ADDITON: https://vimeo.com/422031021
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Just a technical note I don’t think it’s accurate to say it’s Kim’s music, he’s merely recreating the music from the trailer.

I would say, besides the music being disastrously out of place style wise, I agree with NFB, it’s too much. The main theme is just such a simple yet perfect piece of music to use for such an earnest moment without it veering into cheese.

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Yeah, I don’t think the rescore works either. The opera singer makes it feel way too emotionally manipulative.

OutboundFlight’s restructure idea might have some promise though. Although you would need to remove the background voices saying “Another ship down, we’ve lost a destroyer!” since they haven’t started blowing up the Sith fleet yet.

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Just a technical note I don’t think it’s accurate to say it’s Kim’s music, he’s merely recreating the music from the trailer.

Huh. And here I assumed he was the composer.

So comparing this to the scene let’s be real we all know TROS was inspired by, look how much time eclipses between the >“we’ve lost” moment to the “everybody’s here!”. There’s this tension that’s slowly building as the heroes gather >together. It’d be so jarring otherwise (as we see in TROS).
https://youtu.be/xp2YlHPAyVI?t=62

I was so sure you were gonna link to RotJ! Besides, Endgame wouldn’t have been out when the script for RoS was finalized. The cavalry arriving to the rescue is just a classic trope.

MY ONE ADDITON: https://vimeo.com/422031021
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Apparently it isn’t, cuz it’s not letting me in.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

So comparing this to the scene let’s be real we all know TROS was inspired by, look how much time eclipses between the >“we’ve lost” moment to the “everybody’s here!”. There’s this tension that’s slowly building as the heroes gather >together. It’d be so jarring otherwise (as we see in TROS).
https://youtu.be/xp2YlHPAyVI?t=62

I was so sure you were gonna link to RotJ! Besides, Endgame wouldn’t have been out when the script for RoS was finalized. The cavalry arriving to the rescue is just a classic trope.

It’s even in Trevorrow’s script.

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DominicCobb said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

So comparing this to the scene let’s be real we all know TROS was inspired by, look how much time eclipses between the >“we’ve lost” moment to the “everybody’s here!”. There’s this tension that’s slowly building as the heroes gather >together. It’d be so jarring otherwise (as we see in TROS).
https://youtu.be/xp2YlHPAyVI?t=62

I was so sure you were gonna link to RotJ! Besides, Endgame wouldn’t have been out when the script for RoS was finalized. The cavalry arriving to the rescue is just a classic trope.

It’s even in Trevorrow’s script.

In fairness, Trevorrow’s script had that being an actual mission the heroes were on. Not vague dialogue with a cameo character who comes back as a deus ex machina, especially one that’s so telegraphed but not earned.

Trevorrow had it being the main characters actually contacting these people and bringing them in. It was part of the main plot and mission.

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I just meant they didn’t copy it from Endgame.

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I think if there’s one moment in the movie where we can go “fully epic” with the score and dare to replace JW’s score, it’s this one. But I agree it doesn’t feel earned with the movie as it is. Maybe some ideas floating around here about making it more obvious the sacrifice of Luke Skywalker has sparked a rebellion across the galaxy could help with that. Of course, it would make the arrival of the fleet being the “big” moment of the movie instead of Rey defating Palpatine but it’s not necessarily problematic since the two previous movies had their plots revolving around finding Skywalker to save the day.

I also agree it feels weird pacing-wise to go from total despair to “we’re gonna win” within seconds, so let’s see what Outbound Flight can do.

Otherwise, I don’t think it would be too jarring to return to the classic JW’s score after this scene since the bass-boosted Palpatine’s lightning comes right after, and it kind of break the whole musical continuity of what happens on Exegol. I don’t know if I’m clear…

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I’ve seen this idea mentioned before, but I think the battle on Exegol could be restructured so that the big moment with Lando’s fleet arriving feels more impactful. Basically, aligning the scenes with Palps and Rey, and the space battle. So maybe Palps drains the life out of Rey and Ben, then when he blasts his lightning into the sky, Lando hasn’t shown up yet. We see Poe’s X-Wing switch off, and that’s the “all is lost” moment. Rey hearing the voices of previous Jedi is what turns the tide, as she faces Palpatine, stopping him blasting his lightning. Then, Lando shows up with the massive fleet. It’s not perfect, and I’m not entirely sure how you could hide the ships that wouldn’t have arrived yet at this point, but it could work. It would align the two plot threads emotionally, even if they have very little overlap plot-wise (Rey killing Palps doesn’t automatically win the space battle, Poe winning the space battle doesn’t automatically kill Palps). Anyway, I agree that the Samuel Kim track feels out of place, but I also think a better song could be used when the fleet shows up. It doesn’t have the weight it should, in my opinion. Maybe “Through the Flames” from Return of the Jedi, when the Falcon escapes the Death Star II? That may be too on the nose, and I know there’s mixed feelings about using music that’s been in major scenes of previous movies, but it fits emotionally.

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MY ONE ADDITON: https://vimeo.com/422031021
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Apparently it isn’t, cuz it’s not letting me in.

I found the problem. Apparently I capitalized the “F”. Lol.

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So I will have to cut the line “another star destroyer down” which isn’t a problem in the slightest, and then maybe smooth out the music reduction I have in the scene. Then we unveil to the big epic music.

I will also try this with the normal theme.

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I agree with restructuring the battle a bit. The “cavalry to the rescue” trope works best when the characters have all been through their darkest hour for a while. In the original movie, Poe goes from mourning Snap to losing all hope to happy again when Lando arrives, all in a span of like, one minute.

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Knight of Kalee said:

I agree with restructuring the battle a bit. The “cavalry to the rescue” trope works best when the characters have all been through their darkest hour for a while. In the original movie, Poe goes from mourning Snap to losing all hope to happy again when Lando arrives, all in a span of like, one minute.

That was the only scene with Snap that I liked, haha. So many of the director’s friends had unnecessary cameos.

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Yeah that’s why I don’t really like Snap. Glad to have removed his cheering at the end of TFA. He shouldn’t have been in TROS if you ask me because where was he in TLJ?

(I know there’s a canon answer, but come on.)

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Hal 9000 said:

Yeah that’s why I don’t really like Snap. Glad to have removed his cheering at the end of TFA. He shouldn’t have been in TROS if you ask me because where was he in TLJ?

(I know there’s a canon answer, but come on.)

Yeah… I’m my cuts i try to limit his and Zorri’s screen time as much as possible. He has a bunch of reaction shots to Leia, those are all gone with how I restructured her sending the “memory” of Han to Kylo.

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VERSION TWO
https://vimeo.com/422255626
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I have made two big changes to Lando’s arrival, each of which addresses the two biggest contributors to why I feel the scene feels “forced”. First, the scene gives next to no build-up between Snap’s death to Lando’s return. I’ve already touched on this – for this second version, I removed any lines of the First Order losing a destroyer and smoothed the audio to feel less choppy.

The second change is all I see are ships, not people. For all I care Lando could have shown up with only Wedge. We needed to see the people showing up, ideally, people from across the saga. This is pure fan service, but I think this is the one place where it should be used. We’ve spent nine movies learning about the various characters from across the galaxy, now it is time for all that to pay off and for all sorts of peoples and factions to return to stop the Empire. It presents much more emotion than just “oh look cgi noise”.

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Not sure about that. If you could film entirely new footage of people in spaceships then maybe it would feel natural, but as of now it just feels like a meme. I mean, Ric Olie and Baby Yoda, seriously?

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Honestly, a montage of cockpit interiors would be all worth it if Ric Olié is there. Granted, there’s no way he could logistically be alive, so I guess we’d have to settle for his grandchild, which would actually make it easier as we wouldn’t need to deepfake his face.

Seriously, though, a montage of creatures and characters from across the Saga would really bring it all together. It would have be new footage though, I think. It looks to obvious here it’s taken from somewhere else.

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Yeah, it would need to be people aged appropriately… even Baby Yoda would be older with another thirty years. I agree we need more characters we recognise, but it should be clear they’re present in the scene, rather than flashbacks. Without reshoots, I dunno if you can naturally add them in.

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JakeRyan17 said:

Yeah, it would need to be people aged appropriately… even Baby Yoda would be older with another thirty years. I agree we need more characters we recognise, but it should be clear they’re present in the scene, rather than flashbacks. Without reshoots, I dunno if you can naturally add them in.

I’d love to deepfake the Clones to look older (current head-canon is the Kaminoans started producing them again), but I don’t know how that tech works. I wouldn’t mind learning it though.

For Baby Yoda… Yoda about the equivalent to 90 when he’s 900 years old, right? So if Baby Yoda is 50 years old, him being 80 years old is the equivalent of going from 5 years old to 8 years old. I could try enlarging him in a rotoscope to make that difference seem more noticeable, but I can’t think of any other approach. Unless we deepfake Yoda’s face onto Baby Yoda and apply a young filter?

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I dunno if the clones would still be alive. They age at double the rate, making them in their twenties at 10, nearly 30 at the end of the clone wars, and in their late 50’s during Rebels… add another 10 years, they’d be in their 70’s during The Mandalorian, add another 30 years and they’d be around 130 years old during Rise of Skywalker.

Baby Yoda’s age would be roughly eight, if he’s roughly 5 during The Mandalorian, but his face is so underdeveloped that it suggests he’s possibly a younger equivalent age. Either way, his facial features should have developed more over those 30 years, rather than just being a slightly larger creature.

Not trying to tear down the idea, just trying to explain why I disagree. I think it’s a fun concept to add to your edit. I think, if someone were to attempt re-shoot elements to drop in, Hera and Jacen on the Ghost would be pretty cool.