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Unusual Sequel Trilogy Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 115

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Anakin Starkiller said:

Honestly we should crowdsource shared masks for every lightsaber scene for this purpose, since I know plenty of people do this and have to imagine it’s a real pain in the ass.

Since Luca Frik, who made the “crackly saber” effect for the duel scene, presumably traced the outline of the saber for that effect already, there might already be a mask for this scene (or at least the start of one)

You’ve got to ask yourself one question: “Am I making Carrie Fisher’s ghost proud?”
Well, are ya, punk?

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Has anyone considered the idea of recontextualizing either Pasaana or Kijimi and the star destroyer as the opening scene of TRoS instead of Sinta Glacier? The opening we have is pretty blink and you’ll miss it, and the rest of the movie is structured like a repetitive treasure hunt, so maybe moving part of it to the start could make the structure feel a tad more balanced. I’m not sure if it would, but it’s something to consider.

If you go with Pasaana Lando could be the one with the intel on Palpatine’s return. If you go with Kijimi and the star destroyer, then Kylo’s revelation to Rey could lead directly into the lightspeed skipping instead of having to scrap it altogether like you’d have to with Pasaana.

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I just realized Pasaana wouldn’t work as an opening because it ends with them escaping in Ochi’s ship instead of the Falcon.

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Would it work structurally to have Rey leave for Ach-To in TLJ? Like, TFA just ends with them celebrating the destruction of Starkiller Base and then TLJ opens with them recieving the last piece of the map to Luke or something?

I’ve always wanted a time skip between the two films to be more like the rest of the Saga and add some implicit adventures in between, and this is just my latest idea for achieving that. Previously I’d just tried having Rey and Chewie wander for a year between movies following the map but I think this would work better.

The problem is that BB-8’s macguffin wouldn’t work well without it having a payoff at the end. Would reinstating the initial idea of it being Luke’s lightsaber work? Idk what the significance of it was going to be, unfortunately.

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It just occurred to me that Anakin’s scene in the World Between Worlds from Ahsoka could be spliced in when Rey is knocked out by Palpatine. I’ve said before that this would be a good place for a King’s Cross type scene like DotF had and this is certainly the material for it. Ideally, I’d have Rey speak with Luke and Ben speak with Anakin, but given the limited material it’d probably have be only Rey speaking with Anakin.

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Re: Ach-To in TLJ, I usually push the arrival on Ach-To to the start of TLJ. TFA ends very naturally on Rey leaving on the Falcon, and you can headcanon a timeskip of however long it took for her to get there.

I like you, let us burn things together.

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That’s been my traditional approach as well, but lately I’ve been assessing the potential for better solutions, hence keeping her on D’Qar 'til TLJ.

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I decided to go snooping about fan film footage for the Knights of Ren, and I actually found this fan film with usable footage of everyone’s favorite Vicrul. I figure it’d be neat to make Vicrul a woman, so let’s roll with that idea. This footage could be used in two places.

The first one would be a single shot of her talking to Kylo in place of the stormtroopers on Takodana (“We need more troops.”) since it would accomplish the same thing while establishes the Knights of Ren early on as Kylo’s underlings.

The second one would be to have her fighting alongside Kylo on Mustafar. When the fighting is done, Kylo turns his head in response to her addressing him, followed by a shot of her explaining they found the wayfinder. Then cut to this shot from an entirely different fan film to give the infamously rushed scene more room to breath as Kylo finally reaches the wayfinder.

Is this gonna suddenly turn Vicrul into some fascinating important character? No, but it subtly gives the Knights of Ren a bit more of a presence through her. This way they feel less like random goons that show in the last movie to get killed (assuming you put Mustafar in TLJ).

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Adam Driver said he didn’t want Kylo to be redeemed. What’s everyone’s thoughts on that?

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TDS91939 said:

Adam Driver said he didn’t want Kylo to be redeemed. What’s everyone’s thoughts on that?

It certainly would have made the sequels stand on their own a bit more. They wouldn’t be a re-tread of all that common ground.

But at the same time, the problem I have with it is that it goes against the themes that the original movies presented. If the sequels weren’t specifically marketed to be a capstone to the Skywalker saga, I would be fine with them taking a different approach like this. But as a saga, you need to have a unified theme, in this case abundant hope resulting in love and redemption.

They could have had their cake and eat it, too. The sequels would have been absolutely outstanding in my opinion if, over the course of the films, Kylo moved to the light and Rey to the dark (perhaps still as a Palpatine). So Episode IX would have seen a Sith Rey pitted against a redeemed Ben Solo. And perhaps Rey wouldn’t have been willing to turn back to the light because she finally feels like she’s found her belonging with the Sith cult that practically worships her for who she is.

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I totally agree, Rey turning to the dark side would have been a better approach. Fin becoming a Jedi would have also been awesome. I reckon Rey should have turned in The Last Jedi, would have been a huge impact between Rey and Fins relationship

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Wouldn’t that have been a twist!

Kylo leaving with the Resistance on the Falcon after Luke helps to redeem him and Rey staying and taking control of the First Order with her dark side powers unleashed.

TLJ ends with Ben and Leia reuniting.

The Skywalker Saga:
I · II · III · IV · V · VI · VII · VIII · IX
This is the way.

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I love your thinking DZ, That would have been a perfect end to The Last Jedi

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DZ-330 said:

Wouldn’t that have been a twist!

Kylo leaving with the Resistance on the Falcon after Luke helps to redeem him and Rey staying and taking control of the First Order with her dark side powers unleashed.

TLJ ends with Ben and Leia reuniting.

That would have been awesome.

«No one is guilty of being born a slave. But the slave to whom not only aspirations for freedom are alien, but who justifies and paints his slavery in rosy colors, such a slave is a lackey and a brute who arouses a legitimate sense of indignation, disgust and repugnance.»

— Vladimir Lenin

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I tried to get Vicrul on Mustafar as well but there was no way for me to pass off the leafy green forest as the same woods Kylo’s in no matter how much I color graded.

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There is an excellent shot of Vader’s smoldering mask in a bonfire in this fan film for anyone looking to explore the mask’s journey into Kylo’s possession.

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After watching Hal’s newest Ascendant update and then rewatching Legendary, I had AI voice on the brain and I happened to get a thought about the Holdo subplot in The Last Jedi.

After Poe wakes up and Leia explains to him on the escape craft what the plan was all along, Leia ends by saying “She was more interested in protecting the light than she was seeming like a hero.” We then get a shot of Poe as he looks back at the capital ship leaving Holdo behind.

What if, in the brief space after that line, Leia then said something like, “She figured you’d want to take her place.”

The implication, then, would be that if Poe had learned the plan, he might have wanted to be the hero and be the sacrifice himself, given his impulsiveness for jumping into danger and taking what he wants. Holdo would have picked up on this, knowing that he’s a “trigger-happy flyboy,” and she also would have known that Leia was fond of him (being Leia’s close friend, as their parting words imply). Holdo even tells Leia that she likes Poe herself. But for this part of the plan, as Holdo puts it, Poe is “exactly what we don’t need right now”… because she knows his skills may be needed later, and this is something that she needs to do. Holdo is keeping Poe locked out for his own sake, and for the sake of Leia, and for the sake of those who will come to rely on him in the future.

I think this would make Holdo’s secrecy a bit more palatable and allow the audience to give her more credit for her role in the story, which is ultimately to be a supporting character servicing Poe’s growth and arc of becoming a leader and swallowing one’s pride. And I think this would be more faithful to the original film in that it would feel more like clarifying something that was already present (two well-meaning characters having a breakdown in communication) rather than inserting something contriving something new (like the often-suggested “spy within the resistance” concept).

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In theory this would go a long way to fixing issues with the plan and in fact synergizes well with TRoS since we see Poe step up as leader of the Resistance, something he couldn’t have done if he’d died in a suicide charge.

However, I think you’re gonna need more than just that one line to sell the idea that Poe genuinely was going to do it. You need Poe to see Holdo sacrifice herself and say “It should’ve been me.” or something along those lines. Coming solely from Leia, it’s a bit harder to buy.

On a different note, I remember people doing versions of the fleet arriving at Exegol with cockpit interiors of Din Djarin, Boba Fett, and other random Disney+ characters. Recently I came across footage of the Neimoidians from The Acolyte and I realized it’d be perfect for that. Even the lighting looks very TRoS with how teal it is, blending in well with Exegol. Of course, this would be an awkward random addition if it were the only one, but I’m sure there are other clips of ship interiors that could be spliced in.

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I think the line could be clearer, and it would solve most of those issues. Something like - “She knew you’d want to make the sacrifice play.”

I do agree that this goes a long way to solving Holdo’s character. She is on the older side, and it’s her job as a general to keep her soldiers safe and help them grow. So when she refers to Poe as “impulsive” and “dangerous” earlier, what she actually meant under this new context is that he is too interested in grand heroics that cost lives over thinking in the long term and being strategic - “the spark that will burn the First Order down”.

Ironically, this is basically what the movie is already trying to convey with Poe’s arc, but it isn’t able to convincingly tell the audience why Holdo withholding information is both a learning opportunity AND strategically relevant. The original movie is missing that final piece.

I think this also goes a long way to make Poe and Finn interlinked in their character journeys in this film, since Finn will attempt the sacrifice play himself on Crait. It’s a shame that Poe isn’t the one who crashes into Finn to save him, because that would bring things full circle as he imparts the lesson he learned on to his friend.

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Now that you mention it, the fact that no link is made between Holdo’s suicide charge and Finn’s attempted suicide charge is rather odd and a missed opportunity. I wonder if it’d be possible to make Poe the one to save Finn or if that would even help.

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The dialogue literally writes itself, too.

Finn: “Poe! Poe! Why did you do that?”

Poe: “You saved me first, remember? Now we’re even. This is how we’re going to win. Not alone. Together.”

Granted, I basically ripped off his speech he delivers in TROS at the end there, but I think any sort of trilogy cohesion is more than welcome here.

God, all of this reminds me of the painful fact that Rian Johnson was too arrogant to just have Finn and Poe go to Canto Bight together - he thought it would be “too easy”. I understand that some character conflict can be interesting, but there really wasn’t any of that between Finn and Rose, either. In fact, there’s every reason to be more conflict between Finn and Poe anyways: Poe should have been the one in awe of Canto Bight, with Finn pointing out the child slaves and going on about his life as a child in the First Order barracks. Maybe pepper in some flashbacks. Would have been epic.

Hell, they still could have had the romance with these two characters! But Disney doesn’t have the balls to put their money where their mouth is at the end of the day.

Sorry, rant over, lol.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

In theory this would go a long way to fixing issues with the plan and in fact synergizes well with TRoS since we see Poe step up as leader of the Resistance, something he couldn’t have done if he’d died in a suicide charge.

However, I think you’re gonna need more than just that one line to sell the idea that Poe genuinely was going to do it. You need Poe to see Holdo sacrifice herself and say “It should’ve been me.” or something along those lines. Coming solely from Leia, it’s a bit harder to buy.

On a different note, I remember people doing versions of the fleet arriving at Exegol with cockpit interiors of Din Djarin, Boba Fett, and other random Disney+ characters. Recently I came across footage of the Neimoidians from The Acolyte and I realized it’d be perfect for that. Even the lighting looks very TRoS with how teal it is, blending in well with Exegol. Of course, this would be an awkward random addition if it were the only one, but I’m sure there are other clips of ship interiors that could be spliced in.

Ah, yes that was a clip that I made awhile back. https://youtu.be/J017hH8LnQk?feature=shared Can you refer to me which shot of the nemoidian shot from acolyte and maybe I can play around with it.