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Anakin Starkiller said:

I’ve actually already done that. I left Snoke’s voice in since that moment lands much better with three voices and I don’t see any plot holes that would create. Just because Snoke and Palpy are working together doesn’t mean Palpy can’t impersonate Snoke on occasion to manipulate Kylo.

Sounds pretty good! I think I played with it before at one point, but I’m glad the idea works. And you’re right that Palpatine still could’ve impersonated Snoke. I guess I was worried about confusing people, but him saying he trained Snoke should make it clear that Snoke was a different person.

I love the idea of the destruction of Hosnian being a mass sacrifice to resurrect Palpatine. It’s so sinister and dramatic! Reminds me of when I wrote backstory to his resurrection where he drained the life force of Ewoks and Gungans.

Maybe it’d be good if Snoke was the one to say it. That plus the line about training him would really clarify the relationship between the two (master and apprentice).

At the very least, maybe during the shot of the mysterious figure rising from the muck, we could hear Snoke say, “Darkness rises!”

I think something that would really help in regards to setting up Palpatine is having Vader’s helmet actually speak to Kylo, which would get paid off by the “every voice” line. I’m sure it’s been done several times over by now, just gotta dig up the best version.

This is one of my top desires for a ST edit. I think it would be cool if Kylo received a vision from the Vader helmet in TFA that clarified his motivation to turn to the dark side. But you also could place Kylo touching Vader’s helmet in TROS at the beginning of that film, and give him a vision there where Vader speaks to him and shows him the way to the Wayfinder.

And Sasquatch, I think it is a matter of not wanting to add more backstory to Rey’s parents when it isn’t really necessary.

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BrotherOfSasquatch said:

I’m kind of surprised both you and Rogue seem to think the scientist idea clashes with Rey Nobody. In the grand scheme of things, some clone scientist and his family would be nobody compared to legends such as the Skywalkers and the Palpatines.

The issue is that that would mean her parents were actually of a noble cause and not total drunkards who never amounted to anything. They’re still basically nobody but they’re a good nobody instead of a bad nobody. That’s the difference.

This is one of my top desires for a ST edit. I think it would be cool if Kylo received a vision from the Vader helmet in TFA that clarified his motivation to turn to the dark side. But you also could place Kylo touching Vader’s helmet in TROS at the beginning of that film, and give him a vision there where Vader speaks to him and shows him the way to the Wayfinder.

Right before Palpatine’s reveal would be too late to introduce the concept, so while you can use it there (and in fact it would be good to have as a refresher before the reveal), it’s essentially we introduce the concept much sooner when Kylo speaks to Vader’s helmet in TFA. Funnily enough, this would add another one of JJ Abrams’s beloved mystery boxes but this time it would actually have a fulfilling answer planned out.

The helmet doesn’t appear in TLJ, but you could reutilize footage from TFA or TRoS to add a scene with it. The scene in TFA has Kylo wearing his helmet meaning you could dub him to say just about anything, but it would need to occur before his meeting with Snoke since he destroys his helmet after that. The scene in TRoS just has him touching the helmet with his mask off, not saying a word, so probably not worth trying to reuse.

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Here’s an idea I don’t think I’ve seen here before-

Someone on Youtube has added scenes from the ST to a vision Luke has as he looks within Kylo’s mind during the Rashomon flashback scenes, so that the audience can see the darkness within Kylo that horrified Luke enough for him ignite his lightsaber in reaction:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg4fZlt197U

I think it works really well, and actually seeing what Luke sees (show, don’t tell) helps the audience understand why Luke considered striking a student.

You could use scenes from all three movies. I’d probably choose the some shots more focused on Kylo than on Sidious, but either way it also adds a layer of irony - played out this way it’s almost like Luke saw a dark future that he feared, but through his fear, he actually brought it to pass.

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Here is a proof of concept, mixing the Eclipse game footage with some force Awakens footage. Would be fun if somebody incorporated something like this into their Force Awakens edit.

https://vimeo.com/740560146

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EddieDean said:

Here’s an idea I don’t think I’ve seen here before-

Someone on Youtube has added scenes from the ST to a vision Luke has as he looks within Kylo’s mind during the Rashomon flashback scenes, so that the audience can see the darkness within Kylo that horrified Luke enough for him ignite his lightsaber in reaction:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg4fZlt197U

I think it works really well, and actually seeing what Luke sees (show, don’t tell) helps the audience understand why Luke considered striking a student.

You could use scenes from all three movies. I’d probably choose the some shots more focused on Kylo than on Sidious, but either way it also adds a layer of irony - played out this way it’s almost like Luke saw a dark future that he feared, but through his fear, he actually brought it to pass.

This is an idea I’ve had before! You can find other versions of this idea around YouTube. I don’t think I ever posted this here, but I wrote up this idea awhile back.

Third, in Luke’s second vision, we actually get a glimpse of what Luke sees. Glimpses of a dark figure, but never a direct look. Silhouettes. A man in black with a red flaming sword, striking down his opponents (taking from Rey’s TFA vision, and maybe Kylo killing the Mustafarians at the beginning of TROS if that’s fair game). We could potentially see him killing Han (maybe just the shot of him falling to keep it ambiguous), the burning temple, etc. One of the last vision shots could be of Leia in the base on Crait, looking down the hallway to see a cloaked figure. We briefly cut back to Leia looking up at the figure, then cut to a shot of Kylo Ren, when he is bringing his saber down to kill Lor San Tekka. Making it seem as if it is Kylo coming to kill his mother. Then it hard cuts to Luke igniting his saber in response. So whether or not you have it as an uncut vision or make it intercut with him reaching for his saber, it makes it feel like Luke is totally absorbed in this vision of the future and is igniting his saber as almost a defensive reaction to the last vision shot of Kylo striking, an action to defend Leia, rather than taking a few moments to contemplate killing his sleeping student. It puts the audience in Luke’s mind, showing how he is enthralled by this prescient hallucination. Luke is so powerful that the clarity of his visions makes him lose sight of what is present and what is future.

I wouldn’t even be against a subtle Palpatine laugh, like TLJ: Legendary has it. Doesn’t necessarily mean Palpatine played a part in manipulating Luke, but it can be interpreted that way by those while like that.

A lot of tribute videos on YouTube do a variation of a vision montage, so there’s a lot of ways you could do it. I just specifically like the idea of the last shot being Kylo striking, and then Luke immediately igniting his saber in return.

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Aha! It’s an interesting concept for sure, and there’re a lot of ways it could be brought to life. I like the idea of the last shot being Kylo stabbing Han, since that wouldn’t be a spoiler in TLJ, and would add a little weight to ‘Luke has a moment’. But there’s definitely a lot of possible content.

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I also really like this use of a Han death premonition. It adds a lot of layers to Luke’s moment of conflict over Kylo.

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If it were all that specific you would think Luke would warn Han and Leia that their son is going to kill them.

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Vladius said:

If it were all that specific you would think Luke would warn Han and Leia that their son is going to kill them.

But what in TFA implies that he didn’t? In fact Leia’s moment with Kylo during the attack on the raddus could be interpreted as if Luke warned her that this day would come.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

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Yeah, I don’t think it could be made explicit, but it is possible Luke could’ve warned them of what he saw. I think Luke warning Han and Leia of their fate at the hands of their own son could add an interesting layer to their actions in the films. I can imagine Leia would refuse to accept it, but I could see that being a factor in Han’s decision to go off and run away from his responsibilities. Maybe he felt he was endangering Leia, or his son’s soul, or maybe it was just a selfish decision. But the idea that Han knows what is going to happen when he confronts his son, but does it anyway, is kind of an interesting idea.

I do think seeing flashes of Han and Leia’s deaths seems like a good motivating factor for Luke. But I do like the idea of the last shot be of Kylo striking down toward camera because I think it would be an interesting approach to frame this vision as being almost lifelike for Luke in that moment. It would demonstrate Luke’s powerful connection to the Force, but also how it can be a curse. The timeless nature of the Force blurs the line between present and future.

It would require some vfx, but it would be cool if as Luke gets deeper in the vision, the hut begins to look like it is being consumed in flames all around him. Maybe you could add embers in the foreground/background, or even show a reflection of flames or Kylo’s red saber in Luke’s eyes. But then when he ignites his own blade, the flames and saber are extinguished, and he snaps back to reality. I think the vision could work as quick, incongruous shots, just like the vision sequence at the beginning of TROS. It’s disorienting (in a good way), but you do get quick glimpses of Han’s death and other moments. You could replicate this with very quick frames of fire, violence and death related to Kylo Ren. Maybe even some quick shots of Anakin/Vader for the parallels. But keep the frame # of each shot similar to the TROS vision. You could also occasionally cut back to Luke in a way that disrupts continuity to further reflect the disorientation Luke is experiencing. In some shots Luke could be surrounded by flames, others not. Maybe you could even have a quick shot of him reaching for his saber while he is still in the throes of the vision, losing awareness that his sleeping nephew is front of him and not the dark warrior he sees. It’s intense, overwhelming and Luke just wants to stop it.

Building off of this a little, this reminds me of a little thing I would like to add to Kylo’s version of the story: At the end of Kylo’s flashback, when it cuts to black after the hut collapses on him and Luke, we get some quick voiceover lines of the other students’ reactions.

Student 1: He killed Master Luke!

Student 2: Kill him!

Ben: No!!!

Sounds of sabers igniting and clashing.

This paints a picture of Kylo believing that he was defending himself from the beginning. I think this would make Kylo more sympathetic and compelling as an antagonist.

And the films don’t really do a great job of explaining why Kylo even fell to the dark side. I’ve said this multiple times, but I like the idea of giving Kylo a vision in TFA when he speaks to Vader’s mask. This convo gave me an additional idea for it though:
Kylo has a vision that paints a picture of his philosophy based on a twisted interpretation of Vader’s life. Democracy and the Jedi lead to chaos. Only order can bring peace to the galaxy. And you must sacrifice the ones you love to achieve that power. Over a quick-flash vision montage you could have lines like:

Palpatine: If the Jedi are not destroyed… civil war without end.

Quick shots of the Clone Wars and the Galactic Civil War ravaging the galaxy.

Sidious: Make the sacrifice!

Quick shots of Padmé, Han, Leia, Luke, Order 66, Luke’s temple burning.

Vader: Bring order to the galaxy.

Quick shots demonstrating military power of the Empire, First Order, Vader, Kylo Ren, etc.

Snoke: And fulfill your destiny!

Quick shots of Anakin transforming into Vader, and Kylo/Vader parallels.

I think something like this would add depth to Kylo’s line in TLJ when he says, “I didn’t hate him” regarding why he killed his father. Twisted by Snoke’s manipulation, he believes that he must kill the ones he loves, his weaknesses, in order to be strong enough to save the galaxy from itself. And saving the galaxy would be important to Kylo because it also is to Luke and Leia, but he decides their approach is wrong. I like to imagine Snoke started brainwashing him with this stuff while he was still at Luke’s temple. He wasn’t sure if he would follow through with what Snoke was wanting him to do, but it was percolating in his mind when Luke peered into it. Luke’s reaction, then the subsequent reaction of the other students, forced him into that choice, but the end result legitimized Snoke’s propaganda and the traumatized Ben Solo had no one else to turn to. His choice had been made. Of course, I think he is just trying to justify his actions, and his motivations are likely driven by more selfish reasons, but that’s the lie he chooses to believe.

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I love both of these ideas, they feel very legendary/starlight. I see now what you meant about the last shot in Luke’s vision being striking the camera, that does work better for Luke’s shock. And flicking in and out of a fire-enhanced scene works nicely too.

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jrs81 said:

Here is a proof of concept, mixing the Eclipse game footage with some force Awakens footage. Would be fun if somebody incorporated something like this into their Force Awakens edit.

https://vimeo.com/740560146

I’m gonna be honest, I don’t think it works. It was worth a try, and you did the best you could, but it just doesn’t land. I guess it would need to be made clearer what it is we’re cutting to.

EddieDean said:

Here’s an idea I don’t think I’ve seen here before-

Someone on Youtube has added scenes from the ST to a vision Luke has as he looks within Kylo’s mind during the Rashomon flashback scenes, so that the audience can see the darkness within Kylo that horrified Luke enough for him ignite his lightsaber in reaction:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg4fZlt197U

This feels way too long and clear. I think it needs to be quick and maybe given a blur. Something more like this.

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Peter Pan said:

Vladius said:

If it were all that specific you would think Luke would warn Han and Leia that their son is going to kill them.

But what in TFA implies that he didn’t? In fact Leia’s moment with Kylo during the attack on the raddus could be interpreted as if Luke warned her that this day would come.

They didn’t talk about it. You would think it would have come up.