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-Vader’s theme in A New Hope suits him better than the Imperial March.
-The instrumental second half of Jedi Rocks is actually pretty tolerable.
-Yub Nub/Ewok Celebration is superior to Victory Celebration (and I say that as someone who grew up with the latter and didn’t find out about the former until I was 12 years old).
-The Last Jedi is the best film in the ST because it actually tried to go outside the box and sUbVeRt eXpEcTaTiOnS, even if it failed spectacularly at it.

I hate the Disney Channel Live Action Universe

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The special editions were not a bad idea, but some of them were implemented badly

A New Hope Special Edition issues:

  • Remove Jabba from ANH
  • Remove Han’s neck break shot.
  • The imperial march theme should have been added.

The edits in ESB are perfect.

Return of The Jedi special edition issues:

  • Remove Jedi Rocks

I feel Return of the Jedi could have done with more edits, the speed racer scenes are very sloppy & the lighting is off, i wish they improved it.


Clone Wars an amazing show but Rebels is way better. Rebels expanded the star wars universe in ways we had not seen before. It handled the spiritual side of star wars in ways the movies had not.

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I watched The Clone Wars series, and frankly I don’t think it’s as great as everyone makes it out to be, it’s simply an OK TV series to watch when passing the time.

Over the years I have grown to despise Star Wars Rebels, because it ultimately renders the struggles of the Rebellion meaningless. Episode after episode it’s always Mission Accomplished with (almost) no casualties, and the Empire is so inept it makes me wonder how they have managed to rule the Galaxy for twenty years with the Rebels thwarting them at every turn. I also hate how sanitized and risk-averse the content is, alway cutting away whenever a character is about to die, no lightsaber impalements which were a staple in TCW, and how idealistic the characters are, or Hondo Ohnaka, who was a serious character in TCW was turned into a slapstick buffoon. I really hated the Bendu, a supposedly neutral character yet he only aids the good guys, runs for cover when a darksider shows up and tells Thrawn he will fail, so much for being “The one in the middle”. And finally, there’s Grand Admiral Thrawn, the Empire’s foremost military strategist is reduced to a one-note character playing a supposed “long game” that never pays off and is defeated in the most embarassing way by whiny teenager Ezra in the series finale. sigh

I really needed to get that one off my chest.

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Thrawn in Rebels is just annoying. The show just constantly screams “Look how badass he is!” and his voice is somehow irritating. Felt like a Mary Sue, ngl.

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The sequels are trash and are an insult to the characters from the original trilogy.

I’m just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe.

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People would have been bored out of their minds watching Luke train Younglings, Leia sitting behind a desk signing bills as Chancellor of the republic, or Han training pilots for the new republic academy.

That is most likely what would have happened in Lucas sequels.

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JadedSkywalker said:

People would have been bored out of their minds watching Luke train Younglings, Leia sitting behind a desk signing bills as Chancellor of the republic, or Han training pilots for the new republic academy.

That is most likely what would have happened in Lucas sequels.

Naw ruining characters doesn’t make a good story Rian.

I’m just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe.

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JackNapier said:

JadedSkywalker said:

People would have been bored out of their minds watching Luke train Younglings, Leia sitting behind a desk signing bills as Chancellor of the republic, or Han training pilots for the new republic academy.

That is most likely what would have happened in Lucas sequels.

Naw ruining characters doesn’t make a good story Rian.

What does RJ have to do with any of this? You may not have liked the direction he took the characters, but you gotta admit that a boring, relatively conflict-free sequel trilogy would not be good either.

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StarkillerAG said:

JackNapier said:

JadedSkywalker said:

People would have been bored out of their minds watching Luke train Younglings, Leia sitting behind a desk signing bills as Chancellor of the republic, or Han training pilots for the new republic academy.

That is most likely what would have happened in Lucas sequels.

Naw ruining characters doesn’t make a good story Rian.

What does RJ have to do with any of this? You may not have liked the direction he took the characters, but you gotta admit that a boring, relatively conflict-free sequel trilogy would not be good either.

Or you know just adapt the respectful Thrawn Trilogy and not ruin original characters just to introduce new ones.

I’m just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe.

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JackNapier said:

StarkillerAG said:

JackNapier said:

JadedSkywalker said:

People would have been bored out of their minds watching Luke train Younglings, Leia sitting behind a desk signing bills as Chancellor of the republic, or Han training pilots for the new republic academy.

That is most likely what would have happened in Lucas sequels.

Naw ruining characters doesn’t make a good story Rian.

What does RJ have to do with any of this? You may not have liked the direction he took the characters, but you gotta admit that a boring, relatively conflict-free sequel trilogy would not be good either.

Or you know just adapt the respectful Thrawn Trilogy and not ruin original characters just to introduce new ones.

How could they do that? All the original cast are old. They couldn’t reprise their roles without weird uncanny valley CGI effects, and any recast would just look wrong. And I believe the Thrawn trilogy story was much better suited to novel format. Trimming it so that each book fits a 2.5 hour movie runtime would make it worse in my opinion.

It’s one of those things that fans always clamor for, but if they actually got it they would realize the grass is always greener on the other side.

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Rian saved Luke Skywalker from being a boring generic superhero in my eyes. The whole zen monk vibe he had in RotJ felt somewhat disingenuous to the initial character anyway (Mando helped me realize this), and to see that contrast adapted into a philosophical struggle in TLJ was really interesting and more satisfying storytelling than Force God fan wank.

The kid didn’t want anything but a dad, his friends, and a sweet piloting gig, especially when thrust with the Jedi responsibilities he didn’t really understand. In the end, his human heart and love for his dad beat The Empire, not his powers or sick saber moves. He certainly didn’t have to follow in Obi-Wan and Yoda’s footsteps. Badass Jedi Knight? Nah, just a good son.

Luke dealing with the expectation that he was more than any of those things is perfect meta commentary on how so many people thought or wanted it to be otherwise. “Like my father before me” is more important than the “I am a Jedi” part and I’m glad Rian found that soul from a character so muddled by pop culture.

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JackNapier said:

JadedSkywalker said:

People would have been bored out of their minds watching Luke train Younglings, Leia sitting behind a desk signing bills as Chancellor of the republic, or Han training pilots for the new republic academy.

That is most likely what would have happened in Lucas sequels.

Naw ruining characters doesn’t make a good story Rian.

While I think JadedSkywalker makes somewhat dishonest argument (“you can either have Rian Johnson or the worst of the prequels”), I believe this thread’s purpose is to be able to voice potentially controversial opinions without having to explain yourself to others.

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NFBisms said:

Rian saved Luke Skywalker from being a boring generic superhero in my eyes. The whole zen monk vibe he had in RotJ felt somewhat disingenuous to the initial character anyway (Mando helped me realize this), and to see that contrast adapted into a philosophical struggle in TLJ was really interesting and more satisfying storytelling than Force God fan wank.

The kid didn’t want anything but a dad, his friends, and a sweet piloting gig, especially when thrust with the Jedi responsibilities he didn’t really understand. In the end, his human heart and love for his dad beat The Empire, not his powers or sick saber moves. He certainly didn’t have to follow in Obi-Wan and Yoda’s footsteps. Badass Jedi Knight? Nah, just a good son.

Luke dealing with the expectation that he was more than any of those things is perfect meta commentary on how so many people thought or wanted it to be otherwise. “Like my father before me” is more important than the “I am a Jedi” part and I’m glad Rian found that soul from a character so muddled by pop culture.

Very well said.

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Wexter said:

JackNapier said:

JadedSkywalker said:

People would have been bored out of their minds watching Luke train Younglings, Leia sitting behind a desk signing bills as Chancellor of the republic, or Han training pilots for the new republic academy.

That is most likely what would have happened in Lucas sequels.

Naw ruining characters doesn’t make a good story Rian.

While I think JadedSkywalker makes somewhat dishonest argument (“you can either have Rian Johnson or the worst of the prequels”), I believe this thread’s purpose is to be able to voice potentially controversial opinions without having to explain yourself to others.

It doesn’t matter, in the end all we can do is agree to disagree and move on.

I’m just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe.

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Rodney-2187 said:

Pepsi > Coke

I actually used to prefer Pepsi as a kid, now I prefer root beer.

I’m just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe.

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NFBisms said:

Rian saved Luke Skywalker from being a boring generic superhero in my eyes. The whole zen monk vibe he had in RotJ felt somewhat disingenuous to the initial character anyway (Mando helped me realize this), and to see that contrast adapted into a philosophical struggle in TLJ was really interesting and more satisfying storytelling than Force God fan wank.

The kid didn’t want anything but a dad, his friends, and a sweet piloting gig, especially when thrust with the Jedi responsibilities he didn’t really understand. In the end, his human heart and love for his dad beat The Empire, not his powers or sick saber moves. He certainly didn’t have to follow in Obi-Wan and Yoda’s footsteps. Badass Jedi Knight? Nah, just a good son.

Luke dealing with the expectation that he was more than any of those things is perfect meta commentary on how so many people thought or wanted it to be otherwise. “Like my father before me” is more important than the “I am a Jedi” part and I’m glad Rian found that soul from a character so muddled by pop culture.

I simultaneously agree with this very well written post, but also enjoyed seeing him a hero/badass in Mando.

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JackNapier said:

StarkillerAG said:

JackNapier said:

JadedSkywalker said:

People would have been bored out of their minds watching Luke train Younglings, Leia sitting behind a desk signing bills as Chancellor of the republic, or Han training pilots for the new republic academy.

That is most likely what would have happened in Lucas sequels.

Naw ruining characters doesn’t make a good story Rian.

What does RJ have to do with any of this? You may not have liked the direction he took the characters, but you gotta admit that a boring, relatively conflict-free sequel trilogy would not be good either.

Or you know just adapt the respectful Thrawn Trilogy and not ruin original characters just to introduce new ones.

I like the Thrawn Trilogy a lot, I really do, but I wouldn’t call it respectful to the Original Trilogy at all (cough cough Ysalamiri cough cough)

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What’s wrong with the Ysalamiri again? (I know they are ‘outside’ of the Force, but why is that bad)

“Remember, the Force will be with you. Always.”

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Rather than regurgitate the Empire in the sequel trilogy and The Mandalorian, they should have invented a brand-new enemy.

Additionally, I wish Stormtroopers would actually pose a threat rather than be disposable fodder ala the putty patrol in Power Rangers. It’s a wonder they’ve conquered anything at all.

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I grew up with the Original Trilogy on ancient VHS tapes back in the early 90s. One of the first movies I ever saw and remember was Star Wars/A New Hope when I was three or four, so about 1991-1992. The X-Wing/TIE-Fighter series, Dark Forces/Jedi Knight, and my parents took me to see the Special Editions on the big screen. These are the foundations of my Star Wars fandom, and combined with my profound love for aviation and spaceflight, I’ve always taken more enjoyment from the space battles and just space travel than the Jedi/Sith conflict.

I don’t hate the SEs as some people do. Many of the changes are unnecessary (Han shooting second, etc.) but the actual revised special effects were great. And the SEs had great color gradients!

Then the prequels came. I saw The Phantom Menace on cinema in late 1999 (it was released in late September in my country). I still enjoy that film despite it being a bit boring and not because of nostalgia - in some weird way, being so different than the OT, it manages to evoke that feeling of being in a Galaxy far, far away. Every later Prequel was a disappointment for me because I had great hopes for them; then the Clone Wars followed in 2008 and that was the final nail for me. A childish animation with an unbearable lead character. I started to hate and bash the Prequels despite enjoying some aspects of the world building and visual design in them.

Looking back, the early 2000s were a fantastic Star Wars period. Reinvigorated fandom, lots of EU material (building upon Zahn’s Trilogy and Stackpole’s X-Wing series), absolutely amazing games - Republic Commando, KotOR, Empire at War.

After the Disney acquisition, Lucas being ousted and the marketing for The Force Awakens started, some friends managed to get me to watch the entirety of the Clone Wars animated series. They were right, it definitely improves over time. The Prequels, while I never grew to love them, started feeling like a nostalgic part of my childhood. Flawed, bad movies but full of wasted potential and many, many original ideas.

I loved the first half hour of The Force Awakens, and thoroughly disliked the rest. I wasn’t really invested in the Sequels, but then Rogue One came out and that was pretty decent, even if heavily pandering on nostalgia.
Then The Last Jedi happened. I completely lost any hope or passion I had left for the Sequel trilogy. I never saw TROS and have no intention of ever of doing so.

The two seasons of The Mandalorian and the last season of the Clone Wars have, surprisingly, restored a lot of my love and interest in Star Wars.

I still adore the Original Trilogy. It has its flaws, no doubt. Maybe it’s nostalgia or too ingrained in my childhood but it doesn’t matter. Some pieces of the old EU also hold a place there.

The Prequels are… more difficult to place. I haven’t suddenly started looking through rose glasses at them but I have started to appreciate what they gave rise to, novels, games, characters, generally the additions to the world building. They are mediocre films at best. A great story concept told in a poor way

My opinion of Lucas has also changed. I still think he’s a mediocre director and a horrible screenwriter but he definitely had lots of ideas and passion while making the Prequels. There was so much talent involved in the Prequels, if he had only accepted (or asked?) for screenwriting and directing help from people like Speilberg. The Prequels will always irritate me because I can imagine what they could have been rather than what they turned out to be.

The Sequels, I used to loathe them. I am now growing increasingly indifferent. They are the reverse-Prequels for me, if I can say so. I do not enjoy the visual designs, nor the soundtracks, nor the setting. I can summarise what I did enjoy in those films and, oddly, it seems that it’s all in TFA - the new T-70 X-Wing, Star Destroyer, TIE-Fighter and Stormtrooper armor (re)designs, Adam Driver’s acting as Kyle Ren was top notch (only good thing about TLJ), Rey’s Theme and the visuals on Jakku, seeing Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford back in a Star Wars movie. Sadly, that’s it.

Yes, they are better movies than the Prequels - better direction and pacing. But the underlying story is so haphazard, lacklustre, nonsensical, I just cannot enjoy them at all. There’s not even that “what could have been” feeling with the Sequels for me.

Overall, I’m a lot less optimistic and cautious about new Star Wars content than I was 20 years ago.

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Nilbog said:

Rather than regurgitate the Empire in the sequel trilogy and The Mandalorian, they should have invented a brand-new enemy.

Additionally, I wish Stormtroopers would actually pose a threat rather than be disposable fodder ala the putty patrol in Power Rangers. It’s a wonder they’ve conquered anything at all.

For the sequel trilogy, I agree. For The Mandalorian, not so much. It makes perfect sense given the time period of the series.

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The Rise of Skywalker would probably have been great if it had just been an hour longer.

You’ve got to ask yourself one question: “Am I making Carrie Fisher’s ghost proud?”
Well, are ya, punk?

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So I suppose this will pass as an unpopular opinion…

I really wish for the rumours regarding the sequels’ possible de-canonization to be true.

I know they most likely aren’t and even if they were, that scenario would come with its own set of problems. But then again leaving the canon as it is has its problems too and I’m not sure why should the fandom live forever after with the narrative choices made by JJ Abrams, Rian Johnson and Chris Terrio. I don’t even blame those guys, they are filmmakers and they are not expected to be super versed in the larger Star Wars lore – the story direction really should have been the responsibility of the Lucasfilm Story Group, who dropped the ball big time, in my opinion. This is not even limited to the sequels as I feel like the nu-EU often struggles with continuity issues to a much larger extent than the ‘Legends’ canon ever did. However, this issue seems to be most apparent with the sequel trilogy, as even the individual chapters don’t gel too well with each other, much less with the larger lore.

Sure, the sequels have made a lot of money, but they have also dealt significant damage to the brand going forward. The lead actors of the sequel trilogy – all of whom did a great job with the material, as far as I’m concerned – don’t seem to be too keen to reprise their roles in future projects and frankly, there doesn’t seem to be a huge demand for them to do so.

Although I feel figuring out a way to shift the sequel storyline to an alternate timeline would be a good call in the long-term, I don’t think Lucasfilm would dare going this way. It just wouldn’t be a great look for them, especially after they have been very reluctant to acknowledge any sequel criticism. They would also need to do right by the fans who genuinely enjoy the sequels. Some might also see this as tarnishing Carrie Fisher’s legacy, so an extraordinary amount of sensitivity would be required in order for this to work.

I am still keeping my fingers crossed, though. Recent success of the Mandalorian and the final season of Clone Wars has shown, that the notion that you just cannot satisfy the Star Wars fandom has been greatly exaggerated in recent years. The animated series, which make up a significant proportion of the current canon, have actually introduced some concepts that might make something like this possible. And what’s more, it seems like those concepts might be further explored in the Ahsoka show. Sure, Star Wars has a long history of retcons and revisiting established stories “from a certain point of view” and I’m absolutely certain we’ll get at least that when it comes to the sequels. But at the same time I feel like ironing out the confusing nature of the sequel politics or the details behind the supposed Palpatine family (and so much more) might require more than that.

I’m probably going to be in a minority on this issue, but hey, a man can dream, right? 😃

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