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Yeah , it’s an interesting opinion Malgus presents and I think he is presenting it in the right place . I had no problem following Vader’s trajectory when I saw the OT during its original run however , I understood that years had past between the first two films and by ROTJ , I could understand Vader’s motivations and inner conflict .I didn’t need the prequels to understand any of that . I did have a curiousity to see what made him turn to the dark side though ,built up in interviews in various publications at the time . Some of it came to pass and some of it was flawed in execution. Every kid in the 80s knew his back story as the one where he battled Kenobi over a molten pit and fell in ,to crawl his way out of that fiery pool , to paraphrase what was said in publications that were labelled official , such as Star Wars Official poster monthly and even a George Lucas interview in Rolling Stone . Instead , we get Kenobi chopping his limbs off and leaving him at the edge of the lava flow ,to scream and burn to death as he turns his back on him .The damage is done though ,and I hope the Kenobi show addresses it , but I think the OT stands just fine on its own .

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I enjoyed reading that, but are those unpopular opinions for a Prequel fan? They appear to be the kind of opinions you find often among PT fans on TFN or other pro-PT sites. Interesting opinions, don’t get me wrong.

They’re not unpopular opinions among Prequel fans, but they’re unpopular opinions on this forum, since many people here criticize the Prequel Trilogy. On the contrary, I call myself a huge Prequel fan. I love the Prequel Trilogy and I think it’s just as awesome as the Original Trilogy, if not even better (at least as far as visuals and worldbuilding are concerned). Also, what’s TFN?

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Darth Malgus said:

I enjoyed reading that, but are those unpopular opinions for a Prequel fan? They appear to be the kind of opinions you find often among PT fans on TFN or other pro-PT sites. Interesting opinions, don’t get me wrong.

They’re not unpopular opinions among Prequel fans, but they’re unpopular opinions on this forum, since many people here criticize the Prequel Trilogy. On the contrary, I call myself a huge Prequel fan. I love the Prequel Trilogy and I think it’s just as awesome as the Original Trilogy, if not even better (at least as far as visuals and worldbuilding are concerned).

Okay, I see now. I found it a little confusing as people here criticize (and also love) everything, the ST, the EU, Disney, even ROTJ, and thought it was for putting up opinions of different views from within their own section of fandom. Apologies.

I loved your Padme film title post here: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Alternative-Star-Wars-Movie-Titles-Keep-Checking-the-First-Post/id/13439/page/5#1477322 I was off thinking of other similar film titles for other characters after seeing that. 😃

“The other Sequels were the result of an over-anxious press. The original intention was to make three [films], and that was really the end of it. It was not until 10 years after the first [film] that I thought of doing a back story.” - George Lucas, speaking at the Premiere of ROTS in 2005

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I loved your Padme film title post here: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Alternative-Star-Wars-Movie-Titles-Keep-Checking-the-First-Post/id/13439/page/5#1477322 I was off thinking of other similar film titles for other characters after seeing that. 😃

Thank you. ♥️
But you didn’t answer my question: what is TFN? You said it’s a pro-PT site. I’d be interested in taking a look at it…

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Darth Malgus said:

I loved your Padme film title post here: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Alternative-Star-Wars-Movie-Titles-Keep-Checking-the-First-Post/id/13439/page/5#1477322 I was off thinking of other similar film titles for other characters after seeing that. 😃

Thank you. ♥️
But you didn’t answer my question: what is TFN? You said it’s a pro-PT site. I’d be interested in taking a look at it…

TFN is an abbreviation for theforce.net, a Star Wars forum created around the same time as this site. These two forums have always had opposing perspectives on the franchise: while this site is more focused on OT purism and criticizing the flaws with modern SW, TFN is more accepting of the modern state of the franchise, especially when it comes to the prequel era. There’s a lot less of a rivalry between those sites now than there used to be, but that difference in attitudes is still there.

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StarkillerAG said:

Darth Malgus said:

I loved your Padme film title post here: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Alternative-Star-Wars-Movie-Titles-Keep-Checking-the-First-Post/id/13439/page/5#1477322 I was off thinking of other similar film titles for other characters after seeing that. 😃

Thank you. ♥️
But you didn’t answer my question: what is TFN? You said it’s a pro-PT site. I’d be interested in taking a look at it…

TFN is an abbreviation for theforce.net, a Star Wars forum created around the same time as this site. These two forums have always had opposing perspectives on the franchise: while this site is more focused on OT purism and criticizing the flaws with modern SW, TFN is more accepting of the modern state of the franchise, especially when it comes to the prequel era. There’s a lot less of a rivalry between those sites now than there used to be, but that difference in attitudes is still there.

I am a crotchety old man who misses the days before this website was “infiltrated” with younger millennials who have fond memories of the PT. 😃

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TFN is an abbreviation for theforce.net, a Star Wars forum created around the same time as this site. These two forums have always had opposing perspectives on the franchise: while this site is more focused on OT purism and criticizing the flaws with modern SW, TFN is more accepting of the modern state of the franchise, especially when it comes to the prequel era. There’s a lot less of a rivalry between those sites now than there used to be, but that difference in attitudes is still there.

I support a middle ground between these two opposing positions: I’m willing to accept almost everything that came out between 1999 and 2008 (except for everything set after the NJO series), but I’m extremely critical of the state of Star Wars after 2008 (except for a few good stories, like SWTOR, the Darth Bane Trilogy, or The Force Unleashed). From 2014 onwards the situation is simply unbearable to me. So we can say that I’m pro-Prequels, but at the same time I’m also pro-EU, anti-TCW and anti-Disney. The ideas I support are very rare, in fact I often argue even with Prequel fans like me, since the majority of the Prequel fans nowadays are pro-TCW and anti-EU.

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Darth Malgus said:

I loved your Padme film title post here: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Alternative-Star-Wars-Movie-Titles-Keep-Checking-the-First-Post/id/13439/page/5#1477322 I was off thinking of other similar film titles for other characters after seeing that. 😃

Thank you. ♥️
But you didn’t answer my question: what is TFN? You said it’s a pro-PT site. I’d be interested in taking a look at it…

Sorry man, I missed that part. It is like StarkillerAG and theprequelsrule said.

There is more about it in the “Fandom Discussion Threads” part of the OT Index thread. TFN has come a long way since, they no longer ban people for talking about the theatrical versions, or for highlighting George’s contradicting claims, or banning people for wanting a gay character in Star Wars or writing about it. They are more relaxed now, with lots more Star Wars around to talk about, but still very zealot-like when it comes to their love for Special Editions.

Lots of TFN posters on here now too and everyone is cool.

“The other Sequels were the result of an over-anxious press. The original intention was to make three [films], and that was really the end of it. It was not until 10 years after the first [film] that I thought of doing a back story.” - George Lucas, speaking at the Premiere of ROTS in 2005

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They are more relaxed now, with lots more Star Wars around to talk about, but still very zealot-like when it comes to their love for Special Editions.

Well, to be honest, I prefer the Special Editions too. I’m in favour of the restoration of the theatrical cuts for a matter of historical preservation, but from a subjective point of view I prefer the 2004 Special Editions (except for some small changes which in my opinion weren’t necessary, such as “Jedi Rocks”).

Lots of TFN posters on here now too and everyone is cool.

Yeah, I have an account on their forum too. But I didn’t know that Jedi Council Forums was linked to TFN, because I had never seen the site, but only the forum. I thought the forum and the site weren’t linked, which is why I asked what TFN was. Only yesterday I found out that Jedi Council Forums is TFN’s official forum, but before yesterday I thought they were two separate sites. Well, I feel very comfortable on that forum, in the same way I feel very comfortable on this forum. In fact, I think this forum is even better, because here you can edit your posts indefinitely, while on JCF you can’t edit anything.

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Darth Retcon said:

Darth Malgus said:

I loved your Padme film title post here: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Alternative-Star-Wars-Movie-Titles-Keep-Checking-the-First-Post/id/13439/page/5#1477322 I was off thinking of other similar film titles for other characters after seeing that. 😃

Thank you. ♥️
But you didn’t answer my question: what is TFN? You said it’s a pro-PT site. I’d be interested in taking a look at it…

Sorry man, I missed that part. It is like StarkillerAG and theprequelsrule said.

There is more about it in the “Fandom Discussion Threads” part of the OT Index thread. TFN has come a long way since, they no longer ban people for talking about the theatrical versions, or for highlighting George’s contradicting claims, or banning people for wanting a gay character in Star Wars or writing about it. They are more relaxed now, with lots more Star Wars around to talk about, but still very zealot-like when it comes to their love for Special Editions.

Lots of TFN posters on here now too and everyone is cool.

Yeah, they were toxic to anyone who discussed the original cuts of the OT, or dare question George on some of his lies and claims. I can remember long standing users there not even getting a warning, just given bans and the threads shutdown or removed. Good to hear they became more tolerant and accepting now.

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I don’t know if this is exactly an unpopular opinion, but still…

Having a Star Wars personal Canon is the only way to be able to enjoy the Saga with stillness, serenity and without heaviness. If you don’t like something, then just pretend it doesn’t exist and ignore it. If you don’t like something, then it’s not Canon. Simple and effective. I can say from experience that those who live with this philosophy can be more relaxed and have the best possible Star Wars experience, because they’re not forced to fight daily with the idea that something they hate exists in the universe, because they can just ignore what they don’t like and pretend It doesn’t exist.

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Darth Malgus said:

I don’t know if this is exactly an unpopular opinion, but still…

Having a Star Wars personal Canon is the only way to be able to enjoy the Saga with stillness, serenity and without heaviness. If you don’t like something, then just pretend it doesn’t exist and ignore it. If you don’t like something, then it’s not Canon. Simple and effective. I can say from experience that those who live with this philosophy can be more relaxed and have the best possible Star Wars experience, because they’re not forced to fight daily with the idea that something they hate exists in the universe, because they can just ignore what they don’t like and pretend It doesn’t exist.

100% this. I’ve seen a saying somewhere on here, something like “Star Wars is a buffet, enjoy the stuff you want, and leave the rest”.

Let people enjoy what they like. There is so much in Star Wars (film, tv, books, comics, music, games) to take and enjoy, or to leave aside if not.

 

I also struggle to understand George and Prequel zealots’ narrow minded views of people not liking the Prequels is because “you just don’t understand them” or “no, you must watch X, Y, Z to understand George intent and his films”, or simply trying to work George into every post or thread they make. This seems to be a more recent occurrence online in general for PT discussions. Rarely ever talking about the what occurs onscreen, what they themselves actually enjoyed about the the PT, or adding anything new to the discussions, other than condescension and some veiled insults, and also derailing the original topic of the thread. I’m not talking about about the everyday regular Prequel fans or people who simply enjoy most things Star Wars, just the G&P zealots.

Of course everyone is grateful to George for Star Wars, his creation and his dedication, but Star Wars thankfully moved on far beyond George and his retconned and re-invented visions. There is so much more to try, to experience, and enjoy.

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ken-obi said:

I also struggle to understand George and Prequel zealots’ narrow minded views of people not liking the Prequels is because “you just don’t understand them” or “no, you must watch X, Y, Z to understand George intent and his films”, or simply trying to work George into every post or thread they make. This seems to be a more recent occurrence online in general for PT discussions. Rarely ever talking about the what occurs onscreen, what they themselves actually enjoyed about the the PT, or adding anything new to the discussions, other than condescension and some veiled insults, and also derailing the original topic of the thread. I’m not talking about about the everyday regular Prequel fans or people who simply enjoy most things Star Wars, just the G&P zealots.

Of course everyone is grateful to George for Star Wars, his creation and his dedication, but Star Wars thankfully moved on far beyond George and his retconned and re-invented visions. There is so much more to try, to experience, and enjoy.

The irony of it is Original Trilogy fans can be the exact same way. So it’s not just a Prequels fans thing to do but something I’ve seen Original fans do as well. Isn’t it just as narrow focused to not try understanding a piece of art and claiming it’s boring without understanding all of the reasons for what it is actually telling us? I mean all of art is subjective and can be taken at face value. People can also like whatever they want but it’s not just Prequel fans that are very set in their ways sometimes of how to view Star Wars. For years Prequel fans were silenced and told we were wrong for liking them. We were laughed at and smeared for not understanding Star Wars like those who grew up with the Original Trilogy. The result is the Sequel Trilogy we ended up with was so set on getting “right” what George Lucas got “wrong” that they ended up pleasing almost no one generally speaking.

Alas, sometimes we can all go a little far in how we go about talking about the things we love and don’t love within Star Wars. In the end though we can like whatever we wish but sometimes I have found in my own experience it is a matter of not understanding something that stops me short of enjoying it. The Last Jedi was like this initially for me. I was indifferent towards it for a long time but now I can enjoy it for what it is most of the time. It’s a fine alternate universe take on Star Wars. My tastes grew and evolved to understanding it. Some things won’t work for me or grow beyond what I thought initially but that’s okay. Just as the Prequels may not work for others. It doesn’t make our opinions any less valid.

I’m grateful that I have two trilogies and a cartoon series I love. George is also my hero. So there’s that. It was his story. I had no problems with him evolving and growing it how he felt was best. I don’t see his changes as retcons but merely doing what he felt was best for the story. Was it always to my liking? Maybe not but it never belonged to me. Ulimately now it’s created in a vastly different context with a corporation telling me what happened to Luke Skywalker. I’ll always be adamant for authorship over suits who aren’t creative trying to stick their noses into a project. There’s exceptions to my belief of films where the studio helped make a film better but the list is very slim.

I really like Josh Robert Thompson’s take on it:

https://youtu.be/PN1f5aPLUc4

“Heroes come in all sizes, and you don’t have to be a giant hero. You can be a very small hero. It’s just as important to understand that accepting self-responsibility for the things you do, having good manners, caring about other people - these are heroic acts. Everybody has the choice of being a hero or not being a hero every day of their lives.” - George Lucas

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ken-obi said:

Darth Malgus said:

I don’t know if this is exactly an unpopular opinion, but still…

Having a Star Wars personal Canon is the only way to be able to enjoy the Saga with stillness, serenity and without heaviness. If you don’t like something, then just pretend it doesn’t exist and ignore it. If you don’t like something, then it’s not Canon. Simple and effective. I can say from experience that those who live with this philosophy can be more relaxed and have the best possible Star Wars experience, because they’re not forced to fight daily with the idea that something they hate exists in the universe, because they can just ignore what they don’t like and pretend It doesn’t exist.

100% this. I’ve seen a saying somewhere on here, something like “Star Wars is a buffet, enjoy the stuff you want, and leave the rest”.

Let people enjoy what they like. There is so much in Star Wars (film, tv, books, comics, music, games) to take and enjoy, or to leave aside if not.
 

Of course everyone is grateful to George for Star Wars, his creation and his dedication, but Star Wars thankfully moved on far beyond George and his retconned and re-invented visions. There is so much more to try, to experience, and enjoy.

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Exactly what I’m saying. So no reason to pinpoint just Prequel fans at first as the only ones who can go a little far in how we all discuss the films.

“Heroes come in all sizes, and you don’t have to be a giant hero. You can be a very small hero. It’s just as important to understand that accepting self-responsibility for the things you do, having good manners, caring about other people - these are heroic acts. Everybody has the choice of being a hero or not being a hero every day of their lives.” - George Lucas

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I agree with Stardust1138. There are many Prequel fans who behave toxic and offend all those who don’t think like them, but there are also many Original Trilogy fans who do the exact same thing. Idiots are everywhere, no matter what their opinion is. If a person is stupid no matter what his opinion is, he remains stupid regardless, because what makes a person stupid is not his opinions, but his behavior towards others. Explanations aren’t universal and there are things that can work for some people, but that cannot work for other people. For exemple, some people say that Revenge of the Sith doesn’t work as an introduction to the Original Trilogy, or that Rogue One doesn’t work as a prequel to A New Hope. Well, I have never felt this way and I have never managed to understand the point of view of those who support these ideas, but I have always respected their opinion, because the fact that those two films work for me doesn’t mean they can work for everyone. Thank God I became a Star Wars fan in 2018/2019, when the Prequel hate was already pretty much disappeared. If I had been a Star Wars fan between 2005 and 2012 I would have been treated like shit literally by everyone, since I love the Prequel Trilogy and I’m absolutely not willing to compromise on my personal tastes. I was lucky, because my personal tastes came to coincide with an historical period in which they weren’t considered stupid and attacked by everyone. But I don’t want to imagine what the Prequel fans had to go through between 2005 and 2012…

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“For years Prequel fans were silenced and told we were wrong for liking them. We were laughed at and smeared for not understanding Star Wars like those who grew up with the Original Trilogy.”

No, the whataboutery doesn’t wash, or hold true. You may also want to look at the history of this forum and why it was formed.
 

Stardust1138 said:

Exactly what I’m saying. So no reason to pinpoint just Prequel fans at first as the only ones who can go a little far in how we all discuss the films.

Don’t put words in my mouth. This is something you have before, along with your insults. I didn’t pinpoint Prequels fans:

ken-obi said:

I also struggle to understand George and Prequel zealots’ narrow minded views of people not liking the Prequels is because “you just don’t understand them” or “no, you must watch X, Y, Z to understand George intent and his films”, or simply trying to work George into every post or thread they make. This seems to be a more recent occurrence online in general for PT discussions. Rarely ever talking about the what occurs onscreen, what they themselves actually enjoyed about the the PT, or adding anything new to the discussions, other than condescension and some veiled insults, and also derailing the original topic of the thread. I’m not talking about about the everyday regular Prequel fans or people who simply enjoy most things Star Wars, just the G&P zealots.

Quite clearly I said George & Prequel Zealots. Not everyday regular Prequel fans or those who enjoy most things Star Wars. I have bolded the parts above for you.

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Darth Malgus said:

I agree with Stardust1138. There are many Prequel fans who behave toxic and offend all those who don’t think like them, but there are also many Original Trilogy fans who do the exact same thing. Idiots are everywhere, no matter what their opinion is. If a person is stupid no matter what his opinion is, he remains stupid regardless, because what makes a person stupid is not his opinions, but his behavior towards others. Explanations aren’t universal and there are things that can work for some people, but that cannot work for other people. For exemple, some people say that Revenge of the Sith doesn’t work as an introduction to the Original Trilogy, or that Rogue One doesn’t work as a prequel to A New Hope. Well, I have never felt this way and I have never managed to understand the point of view of those who support these ideas, but I have always respected their opinion, because the fact that those two films work for me doesn’t mean they can work for everyone. Thank God I became a Star Wars fan in 2018/2019, when the Prequel hate was already pretty much disappeared. If I had been a Star Wars fan between 2005 and 2012 I would have been treated like shit literally by everyone, since I love the Prequel Trilogy and I’m absolutely not willing to compromise on my personal tastes. I was lucky, because my personal tastes came to coincide with an historical period in which they weren’t considered stupid and attacked by everyone. But I don’t want to imagine what the Prequel fans had to go through between 2005 and 2012…

Exactly. It was a rough time until around 2016/2017. That’s when I feel the shift fully started. I also respect everyone’s opinion but it may not seem clear with how I tend to side more with George than fans.

ken-obi said:

“For years Prequel fans were silenced and told we were wrong for liking them. We were laughed at and smeared for not understanding Star Wars like those who grew up with the Original Trilogy.”

No, the whataboutery doesn’t wash, or hold true. You may also want to look at the history of this forum and why it was formed.
 

Stardust1138 said:

Exactly what I’m saying. So no reason to pinpoint just Prequel fans at first as the only ones who can go a little far in how we all discuss the films.

Don’t put words in my mouth. This is something you have before, along with your insults. I didn’t pinpoint Prequels fans:

ken-obi said:

I also struggle to understand George and Prequel zealots’ narrow minded views of people not liking the Prequels is because “you just don’t understand them” or “no, you must watch X, Y, Z to understand George intent and his films”, or simply trying to work George into every post or thread they make. This seems to be a more recent occurrence online in general for PT discussions. Rarely ever talking about the what occurs onscreen, what they themselves actually enjoyed about the the PT, or adding anything new to the discussions, other than condescension and some veiled insults, and also derailing the original topic of the thread. I’m not talking about about the everyday regular Prequel fans or people who simply enjoy most things Star Wars, just the G&P zealots.

Quite clearly I said George & Prequel Zealots. Not everyday regular Prequel fans or those who enjoy most things Star Wars. I have bolded the parts above for you.

Have you seen The People versus George Lucas or the Red Letter Media “reviews”? They’re incredibly biased towards being against George Lucas, the Prequels, and anyone who likes them. They don’t hold equal discussion but merely what reinforces the majority.

And that’s exactly what I’m saying as well. I mean in broader terms as well.

“Heroes come in all sizes, and you don’t have to be a giant hero. You can be a very small hero. It’s just as important to understand that accepting self-responsibility for the things you do, having good manners, caring about other people - these are heroic acts. Everybody has the choice of being a hero or not being a hero every day of their lives.” - George Lucas

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No. You clearly said I was “pinpoint(ing) just Prequel fans”:

Stardust1138 said:

Exactly what I’m saying. So no reason to pinpoint just Prequel fans at first as the only ones who can go a little far in how we all discuss the films.

Again:

ken-obi said:

“For years Prequel fans were silenced and told we were wrong for liking them. We were laughed at and smeared for not understanding Star Wars like those who grew up with the Original Trilogy.” - Stardust1138

No, the whataboutery doesn’t wash, or hold true. You may also want to look at the history of this forum and why it was formed.
 

Stardust1138 said:

Exactly what I’m saying. So no reason to pinpoint just Prequel fans at first as the only ones who can go a little far in how we all discuss the films.

Don’t put words in my mouth. This is something you have before, along with your insults. I didn’t pinpoint Prequels fans:

ken-obi said:

I also struggle to understand George and Prequel zealots’ narrow minded views of people not liking the Prequels is because “you just don’t understand them” or “no, you must watch X, Y, Z to understand George intent and his films”, or simply trying to work George into every post or thread they make. This seems to be a more recent occurrence online in general for PT discussions. Rarely ever talking about the what occurs onscreen, what they themselves actually enjoyed about the the PT, or adding anything new to the discussions, other than condescension and some veiled insults, and also derailing the original topic of the thread. I’m not talking about about the everyday regular Prequel fans or people who simply enjoy most things Star Wars, just the G&P zealots.

Quite clearly I said George & Prequel Zealots. Not everyday regular Prequel fans or those who enjoy most things Star Wars. I have bolded the parts above for you.

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No. You clearly said I was “pinpoint(ing) just Prequel fans”:

Stardust1138 said:

Exactly what I’m saying. So no reason to pinpoint just Prequel fans at first as the only ones who can go a little far in how we all discuss the films.

Again:

ken-obi said:

“For years Prequel fans were silenced and told we were wrong for liking them. We were laughed at and smeared for not understanding Star Wars like those who grew up with the Original Trilogy.” - Stardust1138

No, the whataboutery doesn’t wash, or hold true. You may also want to look at the history of this forum and why it was formed.
 

Stardust1138 said:

Exactly what I’m saying. So no reason to pinpoint just Prequel fans at first as the only ones who can go a little far in how we all discuss the films.

Don’t put words in my mouth. This is something you have before, along with your insults. I didn’t pinpoint Prequels fans:

ken-obi said:

I also struggle to understand George and Prequel zealots’ narrow minded views of people not liking the Prequels is because “you just don’t understand them” or “no, you must watch X, Y, Z to understand George intent and his films”, or simply trying to work George into every post or thread they make. This seems to be a more recent occurrence online in general for PT discussions. Rarely ever talking about the what occurs onscreen, what they themselves actually enjoyed about the the PT, or adding anything new to the discussions, other than condescension and some veiled insults, and also derailing the original topic of the thread. I’m not talking about about the everyday regular Prequel fans or people who simply enjoy most things Star Wars, just the G&P zealots.

Quite clearly I said George & Prequel Zealots. Not everyday regular Prequel fans or those who enjoy most things Star Wars. I have bolded the parts above for you.

I personally felt you were as you didn’t include zealous Original Trilogy fans in your initial assessment of those who can go a little far in discussing things. It felt like you were only pinpointing zealous Prequel fans. So it’s pretty much the same thing is what I’m getting at in broader terms. There’s zealous fans on both sides. I just didn’t use the word zealous at first as you did to explain the difference. I take responsibility for that.

“Heroes come in all sizes, and you don’t have to be a giant hero. You can be a very small hero. It’s just as important to understand that accepting self-responsibility for the things you do, having good manners, caring about other people - these are heroic acts. Everybody has the choice of being a hero or not being a hero every day of their lives.” - George Lucas

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Mat Lucas > Matt Lanter, as far as Anakin voices go. Mat actually sounds vaguely like Hayden!

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Stardust1138 said:

ken-obi said:

No. You clearly said I was “pinpoint(ing) just Prequel fans”:

Stardust1138 said:

Exactly what I’m saying. So no reason to pinpoint just Prequel fans at first as the only ones who can go a little far in how we all discuss the films.

Again:

ken-obi said:

“For years Prequel fans were silenced and told we were wrong for liking them. We were laughed at and smeared for not understanding Star Wars like those who grew up with the Original Trilogy.” - Stardust1138

No, the whataboutery doesn’t wash, or hold true. You may also want to look at the history of this forum and why it was formed.
 

Stardust1138 said:

Exactly what I’m saying. So no reason to pinpoint just Prequel fans at first as the only ones who can go a little far in how we all discuss the films.

Don’t put words in my mouth. This is something you have before, along with your insults. I didn’t pinpoint Prequels fans:

ken-obi said:

I also struggle to understand George and Prequel zealots’ narrow minded views of people not liking the Prequels is because “you just don’t understand them” or “no, you must watch X, Y, Z to understand George intent and his films”, or simply trying to work George into every post or thread they make. This seems to be a more recent occurrence online in general for PT discussions. Rarely ever talking about the what occurs onscreen, what they themselves actually enjoyed about the the PT, or adding anything new to the discussions, other than condescension and some veiled insults, and also derailing the original topic of the thread. I’m not talking about about the everyday regular Prequel fans or people who simply enjoy most things Star Wars, just the G&P zealots.

Quite clearly I said George & Prequel Zealots. Not everyday regular Prequel fans or those who enjoy most things Star Wars. I have bolded the parts above for you.

I personally felt you were as you didn’t include zealous Original Trilogy fans in your initial assessment of those who can go a little far in discussing things. It felt like you were only pinpointing zealous Prequel fans. So it’s pretty much the same thing is what I’m getting at in broader terms. There’s zealous fans on both sides. I just didn’t use the word zealous at first as you did to explain the difference. I take responsibility for that.

Look at the facts in front of you. The posts and the words. It is not the same thing at all. Or in “broader terms”.

Though I am glad you accept responsibility for your mistake, and for putting words in my mouth once again.

Please read and think about what others are actually saying, before jumping in.

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ken-obi said:

Stardust1138 said:

ken-obi said:

No. You clearly said I was “pinpoint(ing) just Prequel fans”:

Stardust1138 said:

Exactly what I’m saying. So no reason to pinpoint just Prequel fans at first as the only ones who can go a little far in how we all discuss the films.

Again:

ken-obi said:

“For years Prequel fans were silenced and told we were wrong for liking them. We were laughed at and smeared for not understanding Star Wars like those who grew up with the Original Trilogy.” - Stardust1138

No, the whataboutery doesn’t wash, or hold true. You may also want to look at the history of this forum and why it was formed.
 

Stardust1138 said:

Exactly what I’m saying. So no reason to pinpoint just Prequel fans at first as the only ones who can go a little far in how we all discuss the films.

Don’t put words in my mouth. This is something you have before, along with your insults. I didn’t pinpoint Prequels fans:

ken-obi said:

I also struggle to understand George and Prequel zealots’ narrow minded views of people not liking the Prequels is because “you just don’t understand them” or “no, you must watch X, Y, Z to understand George intent and his films”, or simply trying to work George into every post or thread they make. This seems to be a more recent occurrence online in general for PT discussions. Rarely ever talking about the what occurs onscreen, what they themselves actually enjoyed about the the PT, or adding anything new to the discussions, other than condescension and some veiled insults, and also derailing the original topic of the thread. I’m not talking about about the everyday regular Prequel fans or people who simply enjoy most things Star Wars, just the G&P zealots.

Quite clearly I said George & Prequel Zealots. Not everyday regular Prequel fans or those who enjoy most things Star Wars. I have bolded the parts above for you.

I personally felt you were as you didn’t include zealous Original Trilogy fans in your initial assessment of those who can go a little far in discussing things. It felt like you were only pinpointing zealous Prequel fans. So it’s pretty much the same thing is what I’m getting at in broader terms. There’s zealous fans on both sides. I just didn’t use the word zealous at first as you did to explain the difference. I take responsibility for that.

Look at the facts in front of you. The posts and the words. It is not the same thing at all. Or in “broader terms”.

Though I am glad you accept responsibility for your mistake, and for putting words in my mouth once again.

We merely have a different read on what it seemed like you said. That’s okay. We can’t agree on everything and will get a different context to some things.

BedeHistory731 said:

Mat Lucas > Matt Lanter, as far as Anakin voices go. Mat actually sounds vaguely like Hayden!

I agree Mat Lucas does sound more like Hayden vaguely but I enjoy Matt Lanter’s take on the character slightly more as he made it more of his own.

“Heroes come in all sizes, and you don’t have to be a giant hero. You can be a very small hero. It’s just as important to understand that accepting self-responsibility for the things you do, having good manners, caring about other people - these are heroic acts. Everybody has the choice of being a hero or not being a hero every day of their lives.” - George Lucas

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Stardust1138 said:

ken-obi said:

Stardust1138 said:

ken-obi said:

No. You clearly said I was “pinpoint(ing) just Prequel fans”:

Stardust1138 said:

Exactly what I’m saying. So no reason to pinpoint just Prequel fans at first as the only ones who can go a little far in how we all discuss the films.

Again:

ken-obi said:

“For years Prequel fans were silenced and told we were wrong for liking them. We were laughed at and smeared for not understanding Star Wars like those who grew up with the Original Trilogy.” - Stardust1138

No, the whataboutery doesn’t wash, or hold true. You may also want to look at the history of this forum and why it was formed.
 

Stardust1138 said:

Exactly what I’m saying. So no reason to pinpoint just Prequel fans at first as the only ones who can go a little far in how we all discuss the films.

Don’t put words in my mouth. This is something you have before, along with your insults. I didn’t pinpoint Prequels fans:

ken-obi said:

I also struggle to understand George and Prequel zealots’ narrow minded views of people not liking the Prequels is because “you just don’t understand them” or “no, you must watch X, Y, Z to understand George intent and his films”, or simply trying to work George into every post or thread they make. This seems to be a more recent occurrence online in general for PT discussions. Rarely ever talking about the what occurs onscreen, what they themselves actually enjoyed about the the PT, or adding anything new to the discussions, other than condescension and some veiled insults, and also derailing the original topic of the thread. I’m not talking about about the everyday regular Prequel fans or people who simply enjoy most things Star Wars, just the G&P zealots.

Quite clearly I said George & Prequel Zealots. Not everyday regular Prequel fans or those who enjoy most things Star Wars. I have bolded the parts above for you.

I personally felt you were as you didn’t include zealous Original Trilogy fans in your initial assessment of those who can go a little far in discussing things. It felt like you were only pinpointing zealous Prequel fans. So it’s pretty much the same thing is what I’m getting at in broader terms. There’s zealous fans on both sides. I just didn’t use the word zealous at first as you did to explain the difference. I take responsibility for that.

Look at the facts in front of you. The posts and the words. It is not the same thing at all. Or in “broader terms”.

Though I am glad you accept responsibility for your mistake, and for putting words in my mouth once again.

We merely have a different read on what it seemed like you said. That’s okay. We can’t agree on everything and will get a different context to some things.

BedeHistory731 said:

Mat Lucas > Matt Lanter, as far as Anakin voices go. Mat actually sounds vaguely like Hayden!

I agree Mat Lucas does sound more like Hayden vaguely but I enjoy Matt Lanter’s take on the character slightly more as he made it more of his own.

You obviously have a disconnect between what you thought I said and what I actually said.

Again, please read and think about what others are actually saying, before jumping in.

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ken-obi said:

Stardust1138 said:

ken-obi said:

Stardust1138 said:

ken-obi said:

No. You clearly said I was “pinpoint(ing) just Prequel fans”:

Stardust1138 said:

Exactly what I’m saying. So no reason to pinpoint just Prequel fans at first as the only ones who can go a little far in how we all discuss the films.

Again:

ken-obi said:

“For years Prequel fans were silenced and told we were wrong for liking them. We were laughed at and smeared for not understanding Star Wars like those who grew up with the Original Trilogy.” - Stardust1138

No, the whataboutery doesn’t wash, or hold true. You may also want to look at the history of this forum and why it was formed.
 

Stardust1138 said:

Exactly what I’m saying. So no reason to pinpoint just Prequel fans at first as the only ones who can go a little far in how we all discuss the films.

Don’t put words in my mouth. This is something you have before, along with your insults. I didn’t pinpoint Prequels fans:

ken-obi said:

I also struggle to understand George and Prequel zealots’ narrow minded views of people not liking the Prequels is because “you just don’t understand them” or “no, you must watch X, Y, Z to understand George intent and his films”, or simply trying to work George into every post or thread they make. This seems to be a more recent occurrence online in general for PT discussions. Rarely ever talking about the what occurs onscreen, what they themselves actually enjoyed about the the PT, or adding anything new to the discussions, other than condescension and some veiled insults, and also derailing the original topic of the thread. I’m not talking about about the everyday regular Prequel fans or people who simply enjoy most things Star Wars, just the G&P zealots.

Quite clearly I said George & Prequel Zealots. Not everyday regular Prequel fans or those who enjoy most things Star Wars. I have bolded the parts above for you.

I personally felt you were as you didn’t include zealous Original Trilogy fans in your initial assessment of those who can go a little far in discussing things. It felt like you were only pinpointing zealous Prequel fans. So it’s pretty much the same thing is what I’m getting at in broader terms. There’s zealous fans on both sides. I just didn’t use the word zealous at first as you did to explain the difference. I take responsibility for that.

Look at the facts in front of you. The posts and the words. It is not the same thing at all. Or in “broader terms”.

Though I am glad you accept responsibility for your mistake, and for putting words in my mouth once again.

We merely have a different read on what it seemed like you said. That’s okay. We can’t agree on everything and will get a different context to some things.

BedeHistory731 said:

Mat Lucas > Matt Lanter, as far as Anakin voices go. Mat actually sounds vaguely like Hayden!

I agree Mat Lucas does sound more like Hayden vaguely but I enjoy Matt Lanter’s take on the character slightly more as he made it more of his own.

You obviously have a disconnect between what you thought I said and what I actually said.

Again, please read and think about what others are actually saying, before jumping in.

I’m not the only one. Darth Malgus had the same read as I did with your initial statement.

“Heroes come in all sizes, and you don’t have to be a giant hero. You can be a very small hero. It’s just as important to understand that accepting self-responsibility for the things you do, having good manners, caring about other people - these are heroic acts. Everybody has the choice of being a hero or not being a hero every day of their lives.” - George Lucas