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Understanding the Prequels (and the entire SW story) — Page 3

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fullmetal777 said:

RicOlie 2...you state the obvious far too much...

Look over there...

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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fullmetal777 said:

Oh God, I just read Bingowings's post....no wonder you guys are confused.

Don't listen to Bingowings, he's  so wrong...NO! DOOKU DOES NOT WANT OBI TO BE HIS APPRENTICE TO OVERTHROW PALPATINE. 

You are so off. it's not even funny.

Well George used that scene as a direct mirror for the scene in ESB and that is how george wanted it portrayed so, yeh, Bingo is right.

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C'mon, the prequels were just avant-garde toy commercials. They can't be fully understood because they are supposed to an ambiguous counter-narrative to the original trilogy. They are the evil twins of their corresponding installments: TPM with ANH, AOTC with ESB, and ROTS with ROTJ. They were the experimental films George Lucas always wanted to make, and just slapped on the star wars brand on them to cover the costs of CGI.

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adywan said:

fullmetal777 said:

Oh God, I just read Bingowings's post....no wonder you guys are confused.

Don't listen to Bingowings, he's  so wrong...NO! DOOKU DOES NOT WANT OBI TO BE HIS APPRENTICE TO OVERTHROW PALPATINE. 

You are so off. it's not even funny.

Well George used that scene as a direct mirror for the scene in ESB and that is how george wanted it portrayed so, yeh, Bingo is right.

Pfft. Who cares about authorial intent? If the EU says differently, then by Jove, the EU's 110% right! 

TRANSMODERNISM > POSTMODERNISM > MODERNISM > PREMODERNISM

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generalfrevious said:

C'mon, the prequels were just avant-garde toy commercials.

Associating the word "avant-garde" with the prequels is placing them on a pedestal they aren't worthy to rest upon. 

TRANSMODERNISM > POSTMODERNISM > MODERNISM > PREMODERNISM

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JawsTDS said:

Having watched the entire Star Wars saga multiple times, I still seem to not understand what exactly is going on in the prequel trilogy (apparently no one else does either). For those who have decoded it, can you explain some things for me? I want to better understand the entire Star Wars saga for my next viewing (December 2015 ;-)) 

Let's start from TPM and go on: what the hell is Palpatine (Sidious) trying to do with Nute Gunray? Why is this war going on? Why does Dooku inform Obi-wan of Palpatine's evilness, but still work along side Palpatine? Why did everyone suddenly realize that Palpatine is bad right at the end? How does this all connect?

tl;dr - I'm confused about the entire storyline of the PT. The only part I really understand is that Palpatine is trying to lure Anakin to the dark side and that he succeeds, until Luke comes around.

Help me OT, you're my only hope.

 That's the problem with the PT, because they try to have this serious/dramatic story, when Lucas has always said they are essentially serial type movies.

What makes the OT great is its basic at its core, but they don't take themselves too seriously.  The PT takes itself way too seriously, and that just doesn't work in the type of movies Lucas makes.  If Lucas wanted to craft a serious story of a Jedi gone bad, he would have had to make it much more adult, and in a sense something that doesn't appeal to kids.  Which would mean the whole 'merchandise' end would go out the door.

I think there are some fun parts to the PT, but when it tries to get all dramatic/serious, that is when they completely fall apart.  The Love Story in AOTC is cringeworthy, and that is why it sticks out like a sore thumb in the movie.  Anakin's turn to the darkside is the low point of the PT, because it tries to be Shakespeara-esque, where that just doesn't mix in the SW world.

What kept the OT grounded is it got dramatic at times, it got funny at times, and it got mythological at times.  But it never took itself too seriously to the point where it was trying to be this Shakespearan Novel. 

What Lucas was trying to do with Anakin's fall to the darkside was what Coppola did with Michael Corleone and his ascent to hell.  The difference is The Godfather movies are a drama made for adults, whereas SW movies are made for everyone, but geared for kids.  The bottom line is the 2 don't mix.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

generalfrevious said:

C'mon, the prequels were just avant-garde toy commercials.

Associating the word "avant-garde" with the prequels is placing them on a pedestal they aren't worthy to rest upon. 

 You got to admit, who else is ballsy enough to combine CSPAN and Saturday morning cartoons?

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DuracellEnergizer said:

generalfrevious said:

C'mon, the prequels were just avant-garde toy commercials.

Associating the word "avant-garde" with the prequels is placing them on a pedestal they aren't worthy to rest upon. 

 Even calling them "toy commercials" is a flattering stretch.

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Darth Id said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

generalfrevious said:

C'mon, the prequels were just avant-garde toy commercials.

Associating the word "avant-garde" with the prequels is placing them on a pedestal they aren't worthy to rest upon. 

 Even calling them "toy commercials" is a flattering stretch.

 Just because I use the word avant-garde doesn't mean it is automatically good; what it really means is that it is always nonsense. No sane person could understand or even like the PT, with or without the Star Wars name attached. Even george probably can't watch any of the prequels in one sitting. 

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generalfrevious said:

Darth Id said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

generalfrevious said:

C'mon, the prequels were just avant-garde toy commercials.

Associating the word "avant-garde" with the prequels is placing them on a pedestal they aren't worthy to rest upon. 

 Even calling them "toy commercials" is a flattering stretch.

 Just because I use the word avant-garde doesn't mean it is automatically good; what it really means is that it is always nonsense. No sane person could understand or even like the PT, with or without the Star Wars name attached. Even george probably can't watch any of the prequels in one sitting. 

 Doesn't Lucas still defend Jar Jar to this day?

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I don't know; only people with negative IQs would defend Jar Jar Binks. He was just another Tickle me Elmo knockoff from the 90s that failed miserably.