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Understanding the Prequels (and the entire SW story) — Page 2

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Duracell, you're on a roll with your photo-essay thingies.

(David Icke rocks.)

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On wiki pre and quel are both latin words:

Pre : Before (something significant) = The OT.

Quel : What! = episodes I, II, III.

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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Was that a pair of Langoliers?

But of course! 

I can no longer call myself a Star Wars fan. I’m sick of the same played-out aesthetics/tropes being remixed/regurgitated time-&-time again; I’m sick of the deteriorating characterization/worldbuilding which have been in play since 1983; I’m sick of the toxic fanboys from all ideological camps; I’m sick of the capitalist pigs who refuse to allow this IP into the public domain where it rightly belongs. So while I may still admire the first two films for their technical achievements and characters, I’m no longer capable of enjoying Star Wars in any capacity due to the reasons delineated above.

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lpd said:

On wiki pre and quel are both latin words:

Pre : Before (something significant) = The OT.

Quel : What! = episodes I, II, III.

 You've got that mixed up. I, II, and III come before the what, which is the OT.

EDIT: Otherwise, good explanation. As for SW, I can only surmise that it is short for "swear word."

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Darth Id said:

Duracell, you're on a roll with your photo-essay thingies.

(David Icke rocks.)

 And annoying those of us whose browsers repeatedly choke on image heavy posts. ;)

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Where were you in '77?

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Man, you guys really are being too closed-minded about the prequels. They are not confusing at all (episode 2 & 3 at least). This is so evident to me, that when you guys make the claim that they make no sense...it's rather YOU that comes off as not making sense.

It's okay to have an opinion. Hate them by all means but this isn't rocket science.

The only confusing thing was Phantom Menace which is the reason why it's the only prequel and Star Wars movie that is an utter failure. But this is not in relation to the initial questions that started this post.

Phantom Menace sucked in my opinion because the film omitted important details regarding the motivations of the villains. when I read the novel (which is slightly better and I emphasize on the word slightly) it is revealed that the Trade Federation is the one initiating the blockade because it is THE TRADE FEDERATION THAT IS BEING TAXED BY THE REPUBLIC and in an attempt to play the victim, they initiate a blockade of Naboo and it's resources as an act in retaliation against those against free trade (the republic)...but this was just a guise to initiate invasion all orchestrated by Sideous.

Out of all the planets in the galaxy why blockade Naboo if it is a taxation against all trade routes used by the federation?

Because Naboo houses senator Palpatine.

When I first saw Phantom Menace I thought Naboo was being taxed by the trade federation and refused to pay "Because they were a democracy and the people have spoken" and in retaliation the trade federation invaded but George Lucas omitted the most important details to the plot! Instead he gives us all this nonsense with Jar Jar! It wasn't until I read the novel and DARTH PLAGUEIS that I saw what was in the original story/screemplay/ Lucas' notes.

Lucas really dropped the ball on ep. 1. How do you omit such important details to your own film?! Moron.

As far as episode 2 and 3 I think they are well told stories and easy to follow and I see no problem with those plots. Although some people complain about not knowing about Syfo Dias but I understood that plot point easily. 

Tyranus (Dooku) requested the clones be made in Syfo Dias' name.

As far as who is Syfo Dias, you got to watch the clone wars:lost missions episode "The Lost One" or read Darth Plaguies...the TRUE EPISODE 1 and best EU novel EVER!

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Should a viewer really be obligated to seek out other media to understand a plot point that the director/writer should have made comprehensible in the movie proper in the first place?

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Where were you in '77?

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Oh God, I just read Bingowings's post....no wonder you guys are confused.

Don't listen to Bingowings, he's  so wrong...NO! DOOKU DOES NOT WANT OBI TO BE HIS APPRENTICE TO OVERTHROW PALPATINE. 

You are so off. it's not even funny.

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Silverwook, no they shouldn't. Matrix Reloaded did this with the Matrix video game and the Animatrix and it ruined the integrity of the film and created too many plot holes. That's an indication of a failure in story telling.  

Like I said, that's why I dislike Phantom Menace but you see my love for Star Wars runs deep and like it or not the events are canon and that is why I promote DARTH PLAGUIES because it literally retells everything from a hardcore, violent, and adult perspective. It covers only the most important events in PM and shows us Palpatine' motivation for everything.

but other that that Ep. 2 & 3 don't need any additional outside sources to understand. You don't really need to watch that Clone Wars Episode to get that plot point regarding the creation of the clones.

And as a SW fan I read EU novels just because I want more SW. not necessarily because of a plot hole. The most beloved EU novel is a continuation from ROTJ, Heir to the Empire, and is just meant to be an additional fun adventure with luke, leia and han.

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fullmetal777 said:

Like I said, that's why I dislike Phantom Menace but you see my love for Star Wars runs deep and like it or not the events are canon and that is why I promote DARTH PLAGUIES because it literally retells everything from a hardcore, violent, and adult perspective. It covers only the most important events in PM and shows us Palpatine' motivation for everything.

I'm not sure you realize this, but official canon is only really relevant to the creators of Star Wars material. To everyone else, they have a choice to go with it, or read whatever they like. Many people here don't include the PT in their personal Star Wars canon (if they have one) because it doesn't really make a lot of sense. Please explain to me how Anakin's fall to the Dark Side is even remotely believable as portrayed in the film, or why the PT contradicts the OT on points like Anakin and Obi-Wan being friends, or Leia remembering her real mother or Yoda training Obi-Wan.

And by the way, Darth Plagueis isn't even considered canon anymore.

but other that that Ep. 2 & 3 don't need any additional outside sources to understand. You don't really need to watch that Clone Wars Episode to get that plot point regarding the creation of the clones.

No, but see above.

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fullmetal777 said:

Oh God, I just read Bingowings's post....no wonder you guys are confused.

Don't listen to Bingowings, he's  so wrong...NO! DOOKU DOES NOT WANT OBI TO BE HIS APPRENTICE TO OVERTHROW PALPATINE. 

You are so off. it's not even funny.

 LOL!

We aren't confused, we just don't see Star Wars in the PT, but rather a comparatively lousy three films that contradict the OT both in spirit and story. Also, why does it matter if Dooku wants Obi-Wan to help him overthrow Palpatine or if he just wants to turn Obi-Wan against the Jedi, or something else? And what does he want, according to you? Bingowings was just trying to make sense of a senseless trilogy.

Anyhow, you won't convince us to love the PT as most of us, even those who enjoy watching them, are convinced that the PT is vastly inferior to the OT.

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RicOlie 2...you state the obvious far too much...of course canon is only relevant to the creators! That's the point! Ultimately the only canon that matters is that of the personal fan's, which I agree but i like ep. 2 and 3 and you kind of need some info from 1, that's why I'm stating what I say dude.

It's like the gospels..only 4 are canon: John, luke, mathew and Mark but there are others gospels not canon: Judas, Magdalene etc.

Ultimately what matters is what the individual wants: me I want Darth Plagueis to ep.1. Disney and Lucas wants the horrible Phantom Menace to be Episode 1. You want only the OT to be canon.

This is a no brainer...

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And Ric Olie 2 I'm not trying to convince you of nothing! I could care less what you or anyone on here likes. I'm answering a question by the original poster and expressing myself. And read my previous post as to the ACTUAL reason in what DOOKU wants...it's not an interpretation, it's in the movie.

As a matter of fact, if you don't like the PT then why the hell do you even care. Get off my nuts dude. i notice you're posting dubious replies to all my post, completely missing my points. 

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fullmetal777 said:

And Ric Olie 2 I'm not trying to convince you of nothing! I could care less what you or anyone on here likes.

 So, just to be clear, you're trying to convince him of something, and you care at least a little bit.

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Erikstormtrooper said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I can't believe there are people out there who still care about figuring out what happened in the prequels

Yep. There's a whole generation of 'em.

A family friend was recently telling me her 8 year-old son is a huge Star Wars fan. (She mentioned he loved Jar Jar - Gulp!) She said he has lots of questions about the movies, and she doesn't know enough to answer them: things like what happens, what it means, motivations, etc.

Being the chief Star Wars nerd in my social circle, I offered to have him over to have a movie marathon with my kids and talk it out. To be honest, I'm glad they haven't taken me up on my offer yet.

That actually really surprises me. I don't know of anyone born after Revenge of the Sith who cared about Star Wars. My cousin's children are all into Marvel and superheroes and whatever the hell is popular now.

The Person in Question

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I wonder how long it'll take before fullmetal777's posts end up getting linked to in the "Classic LOL Moments" thread.

I can no longer call myself a Star Wars fan. I’m sick of the same played-out aesthetics/tropes being remixed/regurgitated time-&-time again; I’m sick of the deteriorating characterization/worldbuilding which have been in play since 1983; I’m sick of the toxic fanboys from all ideological camps; I’m sick of the capitalist pigs who refuse to allow this IP into the public domain where it rightly belongs. So while I may still admire the first two films for their technical achievements and characters, I’m no longer capable of enjoying Star Wars in any capacity due to the reasons delineated above.

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There isn't a whole lot of classic LOL in them.

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Not yet, at any rate.

I can no longer call myself a Star Wars fan. I’m sick of the same played-out aesthetics/tropes being remixed/regurgitated time-&-time again; I’m sick of the deteriorating characterization/worldbuilding which have been in play since 1983; I’m sick of the toxic fanboys from all ideological camps; I’m sick of the capitalist pigs who refuse to allow this IP into the public domain where it rightly belongs. So while I may still admire the first two films for their technical achievements and characters, I’m no longer capable of enjoying Star Wars in any capacity due to the reasons delineated above.

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fullmetal777 said:

And read my previous post as to the ACTUAL reason in what DOOKU wants...it's not an interpretation, it's in the movie.

At no point does Dooku sit down and explain to the audience what he is actually attempting to do (to his characters credit).

So we are left to infer.

Going by what he does (largely snitch on his boss to a young and strong Jedi and use their shared history with Qui-Gon as a discussion point) and going by what Vader attempted in the OT (to sway his son into an alliance against his boss so he could be the over all leader of the Empire with his son as second in command) it's a fair bet that Dooku is planning something similar.

As Yoda says,"Lies deceit, creating mistrust are his ways now" and that extends to the boss who just manages to pull the trick first. Palpatine does the same thing to Vader hoping Luke will replace him.

As I said it was my interpretation but yeah I'm sure you can point to some EU book where it says something different but we are the film audience. Not everyone has the time, energy or money to invest in studying every dark corner of an increasingly non-canonical body of lore (some of which is really bad even compared to the PT).

At the end of the day if you want I Claudius in space read Dune it does everything the PT tries to do so much better. It's not a family adventure romp though (which is really what Star Wars should be). In fact going by his much moaned about Dune movie David Lynch would have been a much better choice of director for the PT scripts as they stand than Lucas. At least it would have been confusing in an interesting way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Dp2OfIT_M

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I had no idea wtf is going on in the prequels and apparently George had no idea too. But then I've seen the Mr. Plinkett reviews and I started to understand the movies and I agree that George wanted to do his own Citizen Kane, but failed miserably.

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Yes. Behind all the madness and funny bits, those reviews are brilliant analysisisis (what's the plural for analysis for the love of pete!?!).

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RicOlie_2 said:

Whatever. I didn't sign up for either of those reasons. But <UNWORD DELETED>, I suspect most of us don't think the prequels make much sense.

 IGNORED!

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

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Rewrite the Prequels!