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I remain optimistic. Things seem to be looking up so far, so I assume that'll keep going on.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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AntcuFaalb said:


Choose any metrics you'd like, but be sure to have the data to backup your claim.


Unamerican so-and-so ...

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DuracellEnergizer said:

 

AntcuFaalb said:


Choose any metrics you'd like, but be sure to have the data to backup your claim.


Unamerican so-and-so ...

 

Huh?

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Bingowings said:

Obama is Mitt, Mitt is Obama.

that's bs.  Obama and Romney are very different people. 

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1990osu said:

What if people turned not to the state, but to other people to help them?  To me it's much more cynical to think that people are so cold-hearted that they must be forced to be generous through government taxes.  It represents a lack of faith in human goodness.

not everyone gives to charity, that is just a fact of life.    

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This conversation has taken a bit of a turn for the ugly since I was away.  I won't say much except that there is no objective measure of what country is best because different people find different things best.  It's called opinion.  Probably the most scientific thing you could do is poll people on various aspects of their country as well as just a broad, "Do you think your country is the best, great, good, fair," etc.  Then you could objectively determine which country most people think is best.  But just saying other countries are better because there isn't such an income gap or anything else is your personal opinion of why ours is best.  Other countries are largely comprised of much poorer citizens than ours, so their gap wouldn't necessarily be so large.  Many countries with less of a gap are also economically less stable and could end up sending many of their people into poverty.  My point is not to be partisan, but rather that we end the argument before it gets too bad.  I love this country and I personally think it is best, even though I'm poor.  But I am proud of our people as a whole and believe that we use the best of humanity with our extremely compassionate nature (there is an objective study on Americans' generosity, if you care to find it--I'm too lazy right now) as well as harnessing the worst of humanity for good (by this, I mean the greed and competition of capitalism are the reason for our economic success).  In an optimum relationship between government and private sector, it would maximize both of these with as little intervention as possible, but exactly with as much as necessary of course.

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Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Obama is Mitt, Mitt is Obama.

that's bs.  Obama and Romney are very different people. 

This is true.

I always find the "both parties are the same, man" line to be silly. Just because things don't change drastically (generally) from President to President doesn't mean that every President is the same as the last.

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Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Obama is Mitt, Mitt is Obama.

that's bs.  Obama and Romney are very different people. 

I'm both of them.

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Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Obama is Mitt, Mitt is Obama.

that's bs.  Obama and Romney are very different people. 

I'm both of them.

No.

You're Dr. Bing Owings! Mama wouldn't name you something like "Mitt"!

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Bingowings said:

Mitt O'Bama is my middle name.

Dr. Bing MittO'Bama Owings!

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I'm deeply troubled by how racist America is.

 

If Romney had just been Mexican... sigh.

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I sincerely do not expect bipartisanship. Obama is a true believer who is seeking to push American politics in a irreversibly liberal direction. If he wanted to simply be a leader willing to tackle to most pressing issues, working with those other people elected to government, we would have seen him pursue such an agenda by now.

His campaign was about reducing women to #ladyparts and making sure the minorities (who for whatever reasons overwhelmingly support Democrats) turned out for him, along with pandering to the most informed and experienced members of our society: the youth. It doesn't provide the ingredients for mature policy that appeals to people regardless of their demographics (which I idealistically hope to see one day).

Republicans have failed to make an effort to break the liberal monopoly on blacks and the growing monopoly on hispanics. I do hope that rising stars like Rubio can get the Republican Party on a better track on immigration. Obama has pursued NO immigration reform and somehow he's won on the issue. I continue to believe that the Democratic Party is pushing our country (by dividing and pandering) in a bad direction all while calling for bipartisanship.

The blue elephant in the room.

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The reason the minorities go democratic, is because the republicans want to throw em out.

Mexicans are controlled and screwed by the republicans. So when they come to America, they know to avoid that vote.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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TheBoost said:

I'm deeply troubled by how racist America is.

 

If Romney had just been Mexican... sigh.

I wish he would've been. My racist EXTENDED family would've exploded over a decision like that.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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Mrebo said:

His campaign was about reducing women to #ladyparts

???

 

it wasn't a Democrat that said women couldn't get pregnant via rape.   It wasn't a Democrat that called pregnancy via rape, a gift from God.    If you want the Republicans to have chance, you need to gets these kinds of yahoos out of the party. 

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EyeShotFirst said:

The reason the minorities go democratic, is because the republicans want to throw em out.

Mexicans are controlled and screwed by the republicans. So when they come to America, they know to avoid that vote.

Bigot: : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance. Source

I'm talking about those dang Republicans, right?

No.  I'm talking about idiots who make blanket statements like the above quote.  Most Republicans respect all peoples, though liberal politicians would have you believe otherwise.  The conservative viewpoint is not the strawman that liberal politicians and the mainstream media make us out to be.  Sure, there are racist conservatives.  There are also racist liberals.  Sure there are racist whites.  There are also racist blacks.  To attribute everything to one group, i.e. conservatives, whites, men, Christians, as well as liberals, blacks, women, or Muslims is....

*gasp*

BIGOTRY.

Don't be a bigot.  Not even a liberal one.

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That's bigoot around here, mister!

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To add to the lovely trashy talk about minorities and racism and how it can all be contributed to one group, I first want to point out how many polls, studies, and articles talk about racism towards whites.  It's clearly not very common.  Usually when the topic gets a turn at the discussion table, it inevitably discusses white racism towards others.  Even hypothetical discussions on racism will say something like, "Let's talk about a white teacher with a few black students in his class..."  It's nearly always framed in this manner.

Some examples:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ap-poll-majority-of-americans-still-express-negative-view-of-blacks/2012/10/27/421d683a-2009-11e2-8817-41b9a7aaabc7_story.html

The implication is that whites are racist.  Well, when I found the poll (which stupidly was not given a hotlink when reading the article), I discovered that racism still remains largely the same towards whites, blacks, and Hispanics.  I don't remember reading that.

http://surveys.ap.org/data/GfK/AP_Racial_Attitudes_Topline_09182012.pdf

 

Too bad I can't actually read the article without having to subscribe , but surely most of you remember that earlier this year a study came out ascribing greater intelligence to liberals than conservatives and racism to conservatives more than liberals.  Aside from its inherent problems as a study (i.e. the lack uncertainty surrounding the reliability of IQ tests), the possible political motivations, and the fact that a tendency is not a certainty, nor does it even have to be large (I really would like to read the study and see what their conclusions were), an interesting phenomenon arose: liberals made *gasp* simplistic judgments and absolutist conclusions.  "See, I told you liberals are smarter and conservatives are racist."

One line not given too much prominence from that study:

But Nosek said less intelligent types might be attracted to liberal "simplifying ideologies" as well as conservative ones.

In my mind, it is oversimplification that shows a lack of intelligence, the very thing that those who jump so quickly on this study are doing.  And it is these people who tend to be racist, possibly even towards their own race!

Even if more conservatives are less intelligent and racist, I don't see how that makes every conservative viewpoint wrong either.  And considering the stability that comes from a diverse makeup of worldviews, I don't see why so many liberals end up being the very bigots they despise.

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darth_ender said:

EyeShotFirst said:

The reason the minorities go democratic, is because the republicans want to throw em out.

Mexicans are controlled and screwed by the republicans. So when they come to America, they know to avoid that vote.

Bigot: : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance. Source

I'm talking about those dang Republicans, right?

No.  I'm talking about idiots who make blanket statements like the above quote.  Most Republicans respect all peoples, though liberal politicians would have you believe otherwise.  The conservative viewpoint is not the strawman that liberal politicians and the mainstream media make us out to be.  Sure, there are racist conservatives.  There are also racist liberals.  Sure there are racist whites.  There are also racist blacks.  To attribute everything to one group, i.e. conservatives, whites, men, Christians, as well as liberals, blacks, women, or Muslims is....

*gasp*

BIGOTRY.

Don't be a bigot.  Not even a liberal one.

I was actually making a tongue in cheek statement, but obviously internet is serious business.

I don't think the majority of republicans are bad. I just find it humorous that the republican media paints a picture of liberals that make us seem as though we are all moochers who are trying to get shit for free. It's like your either a working man or a hippie that wants to drag this country to hell.

To be honest I think the republican party was great until it flip flopped with the Reagan years. Back years ago, Republicans were for reform and dedicated to straightening out government. I actually consider myself fairly conservative in my morals and values, but I believe those values are exploited.

Seems like every time you see a Republican run for office, they have to stand in a factory with hard hat and act like they care about the working man. Or they stand in field holding a hay fork.

I'm of the firm belief that the democratic side is just as bad. That's why I'm not really a democrat either.

If by any sense I appear as bigoted and narrow minded, I think it all depends on the perspective. It hurts to see how divided the country is. We all are passionate about this country.

It just seems like when it comes to privileges in this country, some people are moochers and others are entitled.

Sure, there is corruption everywhere, because we aren't well balanced. Seems like we totter more towards capitalism everyday. We should be in the middle of the spectrum. I will not say that Socialism is the way to go, but it's not the Nazi life people paint it to be.

I refuse to be narrow minded, but both sides try to make each other seem that way.

If I seem biased, I didn't intend to be. I just needed to vent after remaining silent whilst living in a sea of red.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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AntcuFaalb said:

It's not my victory. Furthermore, I didn't vote for Barack Obama. I voted for Gary Johnson.

Woooooooooo!!! Gary frickin' Johnson!!!

 

The cool thing about being on our side is we knew we were going to lose going in, no disappointment that wasn't already there. Sadly. Get so sick of the "just throwing your vote away!" argument. Perhaps if the bolder among us begin now, sometime in the future the more timid will follow. Maybe another four years of this BS, followed by another eight years of whatever Republican wins next election year, will keep increasing the numbers of those sick and fed up and we'll actually be able to get some real change someday. Maybe. 

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Tyrphanax said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Obama is Mitt, Mitt is Obama.

that's bs.  Obama and Romney are very different people. 

This is true.

I always find the "both parties are the same, man" line to be silly. Just because things don't change drastically (generally) from President to President doesn't mean that every President is the same as the last.

Well, if you're going to take it quite literally, yeah, it is kind of silly.

I relate very well to the point being made there. All the policies that really rubbed me the wrong way with Bush are carried on by Obama (stimulus, unjust military intervention, complete BS and wasteful war on drugs, etc.) and would have been carried on by Romney. Thus they are the same. Obviously they have different names, look different, and have some very different ideologies and policies. Different angles. Different base. But in the end, the differences between Romney and Obama are painfully slight. Hell, Romney has held most of Obama's stances on things at one point or another in his career (Obama's and almost every other politician's!*).

 

 

 

 

*Yes, that is a joke, meant to be funny. Least many in here try to take in seriously and argue me into the ground about how very steadfast Romney is.

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I relate very well to the point being made there. All the policies that really rubbed me the wrong way with Bush are carried on by Obama (stimulus, unjust military intervention, complete BS and wasteful war on drugs, etc.) and would have been carried on by Romney. Thus they are the same. Obviously they have different names, look different, and have some very different ideologies and policies. Different angles. Different base. But in the end, the differences between Romney and Obama are painfully slight.

So let me get this straight,  Obama and Romney have very different ideologies and policies,  but the differences between Obama and Romney are slight?    Did you even watch the debates,  I did, and I saw two totally different people there.  Romney wanted to repeal Obamacare and Obama didn't,  that is only a slight difference?   Obama is for same sex marriages and Romney is not, that is a slight difference?   Obama is pro choice and Romney is pro life,  that is only a slight difference?   Romney is a member of the NRA, Obama is not.  Obama wants to end the tax breaks for the wealthy,  Romney probably doesn't.  Obama is a Christian(maybe),  Romney is  a Mormon.   Need I go on?