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US troops abuse Iraqi prisoners

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These retards deserves the same treatment they gave to the prisoners,and a refreshing lesson on the Geneva convention
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Are any of us really surprised?

Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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that sickens me whether its true or not. And I do find it surprising I expect better of our troops.
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no we're not gundark.

this should be in th e"Evil empire..." thread.
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Originally posted by: Warbler
that sickens me whether its true or not. And I do find it surprising I expect better of our troops.


It must be true, because it hasn't been denied by anyone and even Bush said he was disgusted in it.

What disturbs me the most is that a woman would participate in this freakshow. I guess I always held the stereotype that women are naturally passive.
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I always thought the American troops were more mature than that. They are not serving their country by doing that. They're just making Americans in general look childish.
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I agree with you they should be punished to full extent allowed by law. What they did was inexcusable.
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they should just leave iraq...
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Oh man. This makes me sick. I think what they did is borderline treason.

Not only is it a major human rights/ Geneva convention violation, these pictures can be used by our enemies, such as Al Jezeera TV, to gain support for anti-American fighters.

If it were up to me those troops would be sent home and put in prison for 50 years or so.

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And also, yes, GundarkHunter. I think most American's are surprised and appalled.

Our people should be more disciplined than that.

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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Oh man. This makes me sick. I think what they did is borderline treason.

Not only is it a major human rights/ Geneva convention violation, these pictures can be used by our enemies, such as Al Jezeera TV, to gain support for anti-American fighters.

If it were up to me those troops would be sent home and put in prison for 50 years or so.


Middle-eastern television was broadcasting the video long before any American knew about what happened. And it deffinately will generate more anti-american sentiment among middle-eastern extremists.
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not only middle-eastern extremists...
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Of course. It also fuels pacifist anti-war extremeists like you, Motti.

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These pics truly do disgust me. I'm not sure if they surprise me or not. War can bring out strange reactions in those participating in the fighting. I just think back to the movie Platoon and, even though it's a movie, you get some green kid like Charlie Sheen's character who's never done anything wrong in his life. But the messed up wartime mentality that kicks in corrupted the hell out of him. Extreme conditions evoke extreme reactions.

These troops do need to be dealt with harshly. So many people over there hate us already. We don't need more incidents like this to evoke more anti-U.S. mentality.
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Here y'all go...

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U.S. Army Reprimands Six for Iraq Prisoner Abuse

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The U.S. military has reprimanded six senior commissioned and non-commissioned officers in connection with the abuse of prisoners at the Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad, a senior U.S. military official said on Monday.

The announcement followed an administrative investigation ordered by Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez, the commander of U.S. forces in Iraq (news - web sites), into abuse of Iraqis at Abu Ghraib.

Six other soldiers are already being criminally investigated for their involvement in the alleged abuse at a prison notorious in the Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) era for its torture chambers where thousands of people are believed to have died.

The reprimands -- the most serious written punishment the U.S. army hands down -- are private and no details would be released on the names or ranks of those punished, the U.S. official said. A seventh person received a lesser letter of admonishment in connection with the same incident.

Last week, the U.S. network CBS released pictures of U.S. soldiers abusing and humiliating prisoners inside Abu Ghraib, including piling them up naked and hooded. In one case a prisoner standing on a box had wires attached to his hands and feet and was told he would be electrocuted if he stepped off it.

Sanchez ordered an investigation into possible abuse in January and in March the U.S. military brought charges of assault, cruelty and maltreatment against six soldiers, members of a military police battalion.

The alleged abuses were said to have involved around 20 prisoners and took place in November and December last year.

Sanchez's non-criminal, administrative investigation was launched at the same time as the criminal probe. A second administrative investigation, into "interrogation practices used in Abu Ghraib" is also underway and follows reports that intelligence officers may have encouraged the abuse.

Britain is investigating separate allegations of abuse by British troops in southern Iraq

If nothing else, it at least tells us what the guy on the box was doing.
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Prime examples of PTSD-induced behaviour.

Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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And that's the problem. For the U.S. Government to find these troops truly not-guilty of anything, they would have to admit that the soldiers are suffering PTSD and then any troop and his family can file for compensation, medical care, etc. Just how do you prove PTSD? It's effects would vary greatly from one troop to the next. They might make an example of these troops just to get the rest of them inline and make the world look, at least a little, more favorably on the U.S. forces in the Middle East.
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what is PTSD? chaltab, im not a pacifist anti-war extremist, you have misunderstood me...

question: what would the USA do if THEIR soldiers were treated like that? what would the bush administration do? (its a rhetorical question)
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Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (Shell Shock)
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oh okiday... thank you.
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Did you hear that they have now published pics of Brit troops abusing Iraqi POWs as well?

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British soldiers embroiled in fresh Iraqi POW abuse scandal

LONDON (AFP) - As the US-led coalition in Iraq (news - web sites) sought to condemn reported abuses on prisoners by US soldiers, Britain's defence ministry said it was investigating photographs apparently showing British troops abusing an Iraqi detainee.

"I am aware of the allegations which have been made today of the abuse of prisoners by British soldiers in Iraq," Britain's most senior army officer, General Sir Michael Jackson, said referring to pictures published in the Daily Mirror tabloid.

"All allegations are already under investigation," he added.

US President George W. Bush (news - web sites) and British Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites) condemned earlier Friday disturbing pictures showing the reported abuse of Iraqi prisoners by US soldiers at a prison west of Baghdad.

But, in a fresh blow to the image of the US-led coalition, new pictures to be published in Saturday's Daily Mirror show British soldiers apparently beating a detainee -- a suspected thief -- with rifle butts and urinating on him.

According to the mass-circulation newspaper, the prisoner was allegedly threatened with execution during an eight-hour ordeal, which left him bleeding and vomiting, with a broken jaw and smashed teeth.

The Daily Mirror said it was given the pictures by serving soldiers from the Queen's Lancashire Regiment, who were horrified at the act depicted and concerned that "rogue elements" in the army were undermining attempts to win the hearts and minds of local people in British-administered southern Iraq.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, the soldiers told the paper that the unnamed captive, against whom no charges were brought, was driven away and dumped from the back of a moving vehicle following his ordeal.

It was not known whether he survived, the newspaper said.

"If proven, not only is such appalling conduct clearly unlawful, but it also contravenes the British Army's high standards," Jackson said.

"If proven, the perpetrators are not fit to wear the queen's uniform. They have besmirched the good name of the army and its honour," he said.

The defence ministry confirmed that five inquiries into mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners by British soliders were ongoing.


Dunno how good I feel about a guy named Michael Jackson investigating claims of physical abuse, though.
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