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US Soldier Throws Puppy Off Cliff!

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Please pass the word on this!

OMG, this is just awful, I wont watch this clip!

Very disturbing, the video shows a barbaric act of animal cruelty by a Marine.

WARNING! This clip may disturb you, but news of this type and the actions of someone who is paid by the public must get out! Don't let this just roll on by, DO SOMETHING about this sick action! Nothing will happen with this unless there is a significant public outcry.

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The above-linked video purportedly shows a couple of U.S. Marines in Iraq gleefully throwing a puppy off the top of a steep hillside into gully below. As described by the /Honolulu Advertiser/, the scene unfolds this way: Two Marines are seen in combat gear smiling as one holds a white-and-black puppy by the scruff of its neck. The dog seems to be about 8 weeks old and is motionless as it is held. "Cute little puppy, huh?" says one Marine as he smiles broadly. "Oh so cute, so cute, little puppy," says another in a child-like voice. The Marine holding the puppy is then seen throwing the animal overhand into a desert-like gully below. The animal yelps until it thuds to the ground at the bottom of the gully. "That's mean," one Marine says afterward.



I think that is one "troop" we should simply leave over there and not bring home.
He is a sick individual and a disgrace for our military. Hope some action will be taken by his superior!

The accused is:
David Mortari

Here is the e-mail address of the CO of the base where he is stationed. He welcomes input.

KBAZ_HQBN_CGMAIL@usmc.mil


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I will take your word for it,I cannot watch the video either,and I agree with you,leave his stupid ass over there and take his damn guns away.
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Sadly i've read comments from retards saying its just a dog,i like dogs and cats,an i hate seeing a retard do this kind of thing.
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I got a reply to my email to the commander...


The video is shocking and deplorable and is contrary to the high standards
we expect of every Marine.

This video came to our attention this yesterday morning, and we have
initiated an investigation. We do not tolerate this type of behavior and
will take appropriate action.

The vast majority of Marines conduct their duties in an honorable manner
that brings great credit upon the Marine Corps and the United States. There
have been numerous stories of Marines adopting pets and bringing them home
from Iraq or helping to arrange life-saving medical care for Iraqi children.
Those are the stories that exemplify what we stand for and how most Marines
behave.

Very Respectfully,
Marine Corps Base Hawaii

“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison

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I don't mean to spoil the fun here, but I am a bit confused. Yeah, the guy's an asshole and I feel bad for that puppy . . . which was probably hurt horribly and now dead, but in the end it was just a puppy. Peta itself euthanizes many thousands of dogs (yes, even puppies) every year in the United States alone. For people to act as if this is a war crime and to seriously talk about torturing/killing this man over his cruel disrespect for the life of a single puppy is out of control if you ask me. I think his tarnishing of the Marine Corps is actually the worst thing he did here and I hope he gets punished for that, but as for the life of the puppy, I think our society is already too sensitive about that kind of thing for me to personally be motivated in any way. There are more important problems in the world for me.

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It's not "Just a Puppy" dude!

It's the state of mind that person was in to do this, and to be making a joke like this. This guy needs mental help NOW.

I don't want someone like this holding a gun or getting money that I pay in taxes now and also when he gets out of the service.

This guy needs to be out of the service.

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euthanizing animals is one thing,they get a shot and go to sleep,no pain and no torture and it is NOT a damn joke,what this prick did is NOT euthanizing,obviously you cannot make the difference between the 2,what he did is just plain WRONG,and then you end with this:

"There are more important problems in the world for me."

obviously not,you took the time to read everyones response and you added in.

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Originally posted by: dark_jedi
euthanizing animals is one thing,they get a shot and go to sleep,no pain and no torture and it is NOT a damn joke,what this prick did is NOT euthanizing,obviously you cannot make the difference between the 2,what he did is just plain WRONG

I don't remember saying anything about a joke or anything about it not being wrong, but I thank you for trying to make a constructive reply on at least some level I guess.


Originally posted by: dark_jedi
and then you end with this:

"There are more important problems in the world for me."

obviously not,you took the time to read everyones response and you added in.


My response was not about the life of the puppy but the overreactions I read on youtube.


Otherwise, FF, I agree with you that this guy is sick and I'd want nothing to do with him, and I don't like the idea of him being in the military, but I'm not sure that even removing him from the Marine Corps can be easily justified. He definitely deserves some kind of punishment and analysis, but everyone does bad things and all I'm trying to say is that taking the life of a puppy is not the worst crime that a person could commit. If you all disagree with me, I'm fine with that. I don't claim to have perfect ethics, but I do try to be precise and I do like to discuss things that I find curious.

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I agree with TipTup. The guy is a jerk, but in the end, it's a dog. If he had done this to a human, those reactions would be justified.

I'd settle for having him stripped a rank or two.

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I watched the video. As far as I can tell, there's several spots in the video where it could have been cut and had the puppy replaced with a dummy. Considering how easy it is to obtain the software necessary for doing that kind of an edit, and how many fan edits we have that have done some pretty strange editing, I wouldn't put it past these guys to have played some kind of joke.

I'm going to wait and see what else comes of this before I weigh in.
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This guy needs to lose more then a few stripes my friends.

When you see the sings of a problem you just cant use the old "Boys will be boys" excuse and let it go.

Edmund Burke said:

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing".

Do not allow evil to triumph. Do not do sit by and do nothing.

Researchers, as well as the FBI and other law enforcement agencies nationwide, have linked animal cruelty to domestic violence, child abuse, serial killings, and to the recent rash of killings by school-age children, according to Dr. Randall Lockwood, vice president of Training Initiatives for The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS).

It is no secret to us in this age of enlightenment that the likes of Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, and David Berkowitz all delighted in torturing animals before moving on to human prey. Sadly, many adult serial killers may have also suffered abuse as children.

In a study of 57 families being treated for incidents of child abuse, 88% also abused animals. In two-thirds of the cases, it was the abusive parent who had killed or injured the animals to control a child. In one-third, the children had abused the animals, using them as scapegoats for their anger. (Quoted from The American Humane Association)

In the case of the Columbine shootings, these boys did not even wait until adulthood. They graduated from animal abuse to killing their classmates as teenagers. The same pattern apparently existed among the killings attributed to Kip Kinkel, 15, of Oregon; Mitchell Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, of Jonesboro Arkansas; and Luke Woodham, 16, of Pearl, Mississipi.

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This sure shows what kind of people we have here at OT.
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Wow FF, you seriously need to chill.

It sounds like if you had it your way, every kid that ever terrorized an animal (I knew a lot of them when I was a kid) would be put in jail for life because of what they could become.

Let's just try to sit back and wait it out a little. If he did in fact kill a puppy, the military has several options including, from an article on Google "It's all governed by the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and anything from reduction in pay to reduction in rank to confinement to discharge from the Marine Corps" is possible, Perrine said. If others are involved, they too will be disciplined, he said."

Do not think for a second that being discharged, especially if it's dishonorably, is going to be a pick nick for this guy. If they do that, his life will essentially be ruined. Every time he fills out an application, he'll have to explain (assuming he even gets an interview) why he was dishonorably discharged. He's going to have a VERY tough time finding any work if this turns out to be true.

I know how easy it is to edit video though. I've done some edits myself where you'd never know it was two different pieces of video. This could all turn out to be a fake.
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KITV.com in hawaii says:

"If the video is authentic, the Marines involved could face judicial charges, a reduction in rank and pay and a court-martial. They could also be discharged."

Sounds good to me!

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I cold bloodedly killed a turkey a couple of months ago. I beheaded the sucker and then cut the ends of its wings off. Does this put me in an ill state of mind with the need for mental help? Just curious. I have no regrets about it either. That turkey tasted pretty good, I am sure it wont be the last one I kill.

Okay, I agree that it is quite a bit different than killing a dog just for kicks. The video does display animal cruelty and as is proven by many FF threads, some people are in positions where the expectations are much greater than others. When a few Marines do something dumb like this, it reflects badly on the whole.

I agree with tiptup, the worse part of this is how it reflects on the Marine Corps., not that the puppy tragically died. Sorry it had to feel pain, but off a cliff like that, I promise by the end of the video it was dead. It was put out of its misery pretty quick. An extremely short time ago in Kenya people were having their heads hacked off with macheties. In many parts of Africa kids are dying because their local water supply is contaminated. There are some pretty tragic things going on in the world today. That Marine and the guys with him were complete asses, but it is kind of silly to condemn him as if he had commited war crimes. Especially if you consider that for the price of your HD-TV, or whatever other expensive non essentials you spend your money on, you could have gone a long way in drilling a new well in Africa and providing a lot of people with clean water. Perhaps I myself should be guilty of commiting mass murder for being so wasteful and taking so many things for granted, while people are dying everyday from things that are very preventable. Kind of off on a tangent there, just mean to reflect on what Tiptup said about there being bigger issues than one more dead puppy in a world where even animal lovers put thousands of puppies to death every year.

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There's rumors on some other sites that I read that the puppy was already dead. Again, I'll reserve judgment until I see the results of the investigation.

In other news, a 15 month old child was beheaded by his uncle today. It happened in a Baghdad marketplace. Apparently he got in a disagreement with the child's mother and the beheading was retribution.

A dead puppy doesn't look so bad after reading about that.
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Originally posted by: lordjedi
There's rumors on some other sites that I read that the puppy was already dead. Again, I'll reserve judgment until I see the results of the investigation.

In other news, a 15 month old child was beheaded by his uncle today. It happened in a Baghdad marketplace. Apparently he got in a disagreement with the child's mother and the beheading was retribution.

A dead puppy doesn't look so bad after reading about that.


True, but I don't have to pay that Baghdad guys income with my tax dollar, and he does not represent my nation. There are cruel things done every day, and we should protest all of them if we feel we can. I never said that a puppy being killed was the worst thing ever done, I just had the time to post the story and wanted to see the reaction here. Boy, did I learn a few things. Part of my life long work has been working with dogs, and this story hit a nerve. Could it be that some people out there are more upset that the this story is being made into a big deal because a U.S. Marine is involved? And it's more a political frustration to them that this story is being posted all over the internet? Makes me wonder.

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Originally posted by: FanFiltration
Could it be that some people out there are more upset that the this story is being made into a big deal because a U.S. Marine is involved? And it's more a political frustration to them that this story is being posted all over the internet? Makes me wonder.


Some people? It makes you wonder? I'll answer for you. Yes, they are more upset because it's a U.S. Marine. Thankfully, some are waiting to see if it was for real or not.

Dogs are killed everyday in some countries for food, yet I don't hear you protesting that. Also, apparently, dogs are being shot in Iraq everyday since they could be carrying IEDs. Again, I don't hear you protesting that.

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Originally posted by: lordjedi
Originally posted by: FanFiltration
Could it be that some people out there are more upset that the this story is being made into a big deal because a U.S. Marine is involved? And it's more a political frustration to them that this story is being posted all over the internet? Makes me wonder.


Some people? It makes you wonder? I'll answer for you. Yes, they are more upset because it's a U.S. Marine. Thankfully, some are waiting to see if it was for real or not.

Dogs are killed everyday in some countries for food, yet I don't hear you protesting that. Also, apparently, dogs are being shot in Iraq everyday since they could be carrying IEDs. Again, I don't hear you protesting that.


Hit a nerve there, I see.

But I do protest the serious problems of animal mistreatment everyday my friend, but just not here. I help a charity called Romanian Animal Rescue daily by doing gratis work on their web page amongst other work. Was going to be traveling to Romania this spring on a good will mission for the pups, but health issues are keeping me at home. We have done some great work to help raise the conditions for strays in the past two years.

If you want, please help us out. We are giving a new book out {that I helped create} for a $75 donation . I've also used my video background to make promotions that are seen all over the world.

Please use the link below if anyone would like to help out.


http://www.romaniaanimalrescue.com/

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Alright, I will first state that I believe FF constantly posts threads which always depict the military and law enforcement in a bad light. I don't know what his intention is, but it seems that he wants to portray all Soldiers and Police Officers as blood thirsty egotistic bullies and sadists. FF, why don't you find a video of a cop dragging a person out of a burning car or a soldier rescuing a civilian from a bomb, I think you slant your argument and leave out that stuff, repeatedly. That is just my humble opinion though.

That aside, if this video is found to be real, I will disagree with FF that David Mortari should be left over there forever. He should be pulled out immediately and dishonorably discharged. Mostly because if his conscience allows him to brutally kill a puppy (again note that we really don't have the whole story, this is based solely on what I see in the video), then he should not be allowed to serve with our brave young men and women who honorably fight for our freedom, without brutality.

But, we truly don't know the whole story. Being the victim of video myself, I can attest that just because you see it on video doesn't mean that's how it went down. Too many people walk away believing a simple grainy, compressed, 80 degree view of a scene to be 100% truth with no distortion. Sad.
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The intention here matters. The dog wasn't killed for food, it was killed out of the pure sadistic pleasure of killing another being. Thats fucking sick and no one can possibly defend that without being sick themselves.
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Anyone who can't see the difference between euthanasia of stray animals, killing a turkey for food, and throwing a live puppy off a cliff needs to take a serious look at themselves.

Cruelty to animals is usually a warning sign of other serious mental and emotional problems. The guy should be discharged simply for being dumb enough to let it end up on video.

Funny to see someone with the brainpower of a 10W light bulb wearing thousands of dollars in military equipment whose funds could've paid for a bunch of those wells in Africa C3PX mentioned.
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Yes I did post 3 news stories that have depicted publicly paid people who tend to do some sort of a abuse to an innocent person or animal.

To say that I am going after ALL cops and military would be false. As I do have a right to have an opinion about things I pay for in a nation I live in. And, I will continue to do so. I'm not creating the news story here, the person in the videos did that. They are the persons you should have issue with about making the uniform look bad. For you to say that I personally want "to portray all Soldiers and Police Officers as blood thirsty egotistic bullies and sadists" is purely ridiculous and a over reaction at best. I was in the U.S. Air Force for six years (1987 - 1993) as a security police officer. Part of that time I spent training none other than U.S. Marines (as well as international armed forces personal) at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas. I then worked for my home town police department for 3 years after my discharge. I'm sure if anyone has a right to have a grievance, it would be me. I've also posted a personal account of some wrong doing by a local police officer in my area that was done to me.

You may have had a point if I was pulling these stories out of thin air, but the three news stories I have posted relating to abuse {one: A police officer abusing a child, two: A state security officer abusing a paraplegic man, Three: A U.S. Marine making a video about killing a puppy} had all been widely broadcast by the major News media before I even posted for comments here. To say I have an agenda to discredit ALL Soldiers and Police Officers is just asinine.

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