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Originally posted by: JediSage


Expanding on what I said above about teens being idiots, again please don't take it the wrong way. There are exceptions. You are one of them, I was one of them. There were a few of us in my class that would actually read our own books during lunch, or would compete for good grades on our tests. Then there were the rest.


At my highschool, the ratio of iditos to non-idiots is pretty decent, actually.

And the idiot bug may not have escaped me entirely: I admit to having my own cell phone which I rarely use... And during lunch, I normally post on these boards...

Excuse me, now. I'm off to figure out why the heck Teen Titans is coming on at five o'clock...

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Originally posted by: ricarleite
But I don't blame it on the people, as one's behaviour is shaped by his surroundings. And what surrounds these 95% who chose to ignore that there's a world out there? The media. Like in a crazy suicide cult, only the people being brainwashed denies that they are being brainwashed.



What exactly are the people of the US supposed to do for the rest of the world? How much of the blood of our citizens has been spilled over the past century liberating or protecting other countries? How much of our food has gone to feeding the hungry? How much money has our country shelled out bailing out failed economies, or rebuilding tsunami devasted countries a world away? When will the people of the world solve their own problems instead of looking for the US to bail them out? Do the corrupt/failed governments of the world bare any responsibility for the terrible state their countries are in? Who gives anyone the right to demand that we give more? If you sincerely believe that what I've said above is brainwashing, you need help man.



hehe this should cause a ripple

please bear in mind that there is a certain sense of irony & jest in the following comments (hidden amongst the truth)

"and so the brain washed individual counters with a sweeping statement that really does prove they are controlled. By failing to recognise that many of the points mentioned in their statement can be dismissed, as America the great was infuential, above all others, in the creation of the problem........"

remember this is a jestfull comment, not directly attacking individuals or America but perhaps suggesting an Orwellian nature to the world we live in.....the blinkers are pulled over our eyes on a daily basis...we are told what we need, or what they think we should know, and nothing more....we can but debate the indications of aid and where the finger of blame may rest.....

perhaps it is wrong to blame America but perhaps to lay the blame at the feet of those few individuals in positions of power that feel the need to "improve" foreign countries by imposing American funded leaders (that can later handily be removed from power by afore mentioned "individuals" thus paving the way to "enforce" Democracy (surely we don't think we still live in a Democratic world??) on said nation & conveniently help themselves to the ample supplies of oil stockpiled by said nation....

Ahhh bless George Orwell......a shame he's not around to witness the eerie relevance of his parodic novels....


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Originally posted by: die-jarjar-die
perhaps it is wrong to blame America but perhaps to lay the blame at the feet of those few individuals in positions of power that feel the need to "improve" foreign countries by imposing American funded leaders (that can later handily be removed from power by afore mentioned "individuals" thus paving the way to "enforce" Democracy (surely we don't think we still live in a Democratic world??) on said nation & conveniently help themselves to the ample supplies of oil stockpiled by said nation....


Exactly. Of course, this is NOT the sole action of one country, but unfortunally America is the one who can perform such job best. I mean, we have good examples, Iran, recently Iraq, Panama, Vietnan (with no success), El Salvador, Nicaragua, Argentina, Chile, and yes, Brazil, whose 1964-1985 military dictatorship was organized, couped, manitaned, financed, trained and supported by the US, with full documents by the secret service and the CIA regarding those actions and methods (a friend of my mom was tortured and killed by north american CIA agents because she supposedly acted in a "subversive" way badmouthing the dictatorship and such, she only told me about it once and never talked about it anymore). And yet, I don't blame the country, I don't blame it's people, I don't blame our own country who obviously accepted and carried out those actions as well, I don't blame our people, I blame the system, I blame the actions. As I always say, problems don't have a guilty person, they have a cause. All I'm trying is to fight against this cause.



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At my highschool, the ratio of iditos to non-idiots is pretty decent, actually.


You're lucky. At my highschool the ratio of idiots for non-idiots was 7 idiots for each non-idiot. I heard it increased to 1 to 20 nowadays... Of course, it depends on your definition of "idiot".
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I typically go by the dictionary unless the dictionary is wrong.

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Originally posted by: die-jarjar-die
America the great was infuential, above all others, in the creation of the problem........


Now, just how were we "influential" in creating the Tsunami? huh?

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Originally posted by: ricarleite
yes, Brazil, whose 1964-1985 military dictatorship was organized, couped, manitaned, financed, trained and supported by the US, with full documents by the secret service and the CIA regarding those actions and methods (a friend of my mom was tortured and killed by north american CIA agents because she supposedly acted in a "subversive" way badmouthing the dictatorship and such, she only told me about it once and never talked about it anymore).


I had no idea this was going on in your country. I can't even begin to imagine how horrible that era for your country must have been. Sorry to hear of it. I hope you're wrong about the involvement of the US gov't. That is against everything USA stands for. I hope things are going better for your country now.




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Originally posted by: ricarleite
yes, Brazil, whose 1964-1985 military dictatorship was organized, couped, manitaned, financed, trained and supported by the US, with full documents by the secret service and the CIA regarding those actions and methods (a friend of my mom was tortured and killed by north american CIA agents because she supposedly acted in a "subversive" way badmouthing the dictatorship and such, she only told me about it once and never talked about it anymore).


I had no idea this was going on in your country. I can't even begin to imagine how horrible that era for your country must have been. Sorry to hear of it. I hope you're wrong about the involvement of the US gov't. That is against everything USA stands for. I hope things are going better for your country now.


Actually the most brutal part of the dictatorship happened from 1969, when everyone lost their political freedom and rights and people got killed or banished, to 1978-1979 when these impositions ended. We only got democratic back in 1985 whe the last militar dictator steped out. The US involvment is fully documented, with memos by the secret service, the CIA and even from Lyndon Jonhson and Nixon about that subject. They fully supported these military coups on all over south america, mostly in Brazil, Argentina and Chile. There were several agents over here during this period, who had meetings with the military authorities, financed the coup and trainned our troops, also providing with inteligence information. There was a fear from the US that south america could've become "comunist", although such claim is absolutely insane. My former highschool teacher had a university professor who gave this lecture about our current situation and since he couldn't actually say anything, he used a "Captain America" cartoon edited and made some comments in between... The next day some agents stepped in the middle of his class, got him, and no one ever knew about him anymore. You couldn't walk on the street with more than 3 persons with you, as that would be considered an illegal assembling and you would be captured and tortured so you confessed where the "communists are". Books, songs, movies and plays were censored or forbidden. Things got so insane you couldn't buy books with red covers, because it was considered "communist" propaganda. Students who rebelled against it just "dissapeared" (got tortured and killed) and you couldn't say anything at all or else you would be next... Those were horrible days who I wish will NEVER happen again.

Things are pretty much OK by now, and Brazil is ever growing and improving. Although I don't like our current president and his party - he's like a left-winged Bush - things are going ok by noe.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Originally posted by: ricarleite

Actually the most brutal part of the dictatorship happened from 1969, when everyone lost their political freedom and rights and people got killed or banished, to 1978-1979 when these impositions ended. We only got democratic back in 1985 whe the last militar dictator steped out. The US involvment is fully documented, with memos by the secret service, the CIA and even from Lyndon Jonhson and Nixon about that subject. They fully supported these military coups on all over south america, mostly in Brazil, Argentina and Chile. There were several agents over here during this period, who had meetings with the military authorities, financed the coup and trainned our troops, also providing with inteligence information. There was a fear from the US that south america could've become "comunist", although such claim is absolutely insane. My former highschool teacher had a university professor who gave this lecture about our current situation and since he couldn't actually say anything, he used a "Captain America" cartoon edited and made some comments in between... The next day some agents stepped in the middle of his class, got him, and no one ever knew about him anymore. You couldn't walk on the street with more than 3 persons with you, as that would be considered an illegal assembling and you would be captured and tortured so you confessed where the "communists are". Books, songs, movies and plays were censored or forbidden. Things got so insane you couldn't buy books with red covers, because it was considered "communist" propaganda. Students who rebelled against it just "dissapeared" (got tortured and killed) and you couldn't say anything at all or else you would be next... Those were horrible days who I wish will NEVER happen again.



My god. That is a disgrace. Horrible. The people that were involved in this dictatorship should be excuted.

I can't believe the US supported these bastards. Sickening. Sorry this happened to your country Ric. I had no idea.


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Originally posted by: Warbler
My god. That is a disgrace. Horrible. The people that were involved in this dictatorship should be excuted.

I can't believe the US supported these bastards. Sickening. Sorry this happened to your country Ric. I had no idea.


Unfortunally most of them are free today. All the presidents who served as dictators are now dead (natural causes), but some of the responsibles for those acts are still around. There's this bizarre story about this female singer who was herself tortured during the dictatorship years, and she lived at an apartment building, and the man who tortured her moved to her building, and she met him at the elevator. She just stared at him, he just lowered his head and said nothing, locked himself in his apartment and only left some days later, when he moved out of there. Unfortunally even our own kids don't know what the dictatorship was, most of the teens today don't know about it or don't care... And nothing is being done to bring justice to those who suffered, I mean, what can you expect from a freaking underdeveloped country who received Ronald Biggs (the biggest thief in history, stole millions in UK in the 60s) and Dr. Mengele (Dr. Death from Auschwitz), both who lived free in Brazil (Biggs returned to UK and got arrested, Mengele drowned while swiming in Rio). It is OUR fault we chose to face this sad part of our history this way, it's OUR fault we can't bring justice to those who deserve... I mean, look at the "Mothers of Plaza de Mayo" in Argentina... They want justice for their killed sons for 30 years...

*sigh* But it's all in the past now, all we have to do is to make sure the past dosen't repeat itself. And I rather not talk about this subject for a while...
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
I rather not talk about this subject for a while...


I understand. It must be difficult. You have my sympathies.


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Originally posted by: ricarleite
I rather not talk about this subject for a while...


I understand. It must be difficult. You have my sympathies.


Oh no nothing like that, it's the political issue I'd rather avoid, for obvious reasons.
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that ok too.


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So maybe the moral of this story is that whatever country you hail from, we should all open our eyes, be more aware of what's going on in the world, whether it directly affects us or not, and maybe try and do something about it. Ignorance is bliss, but it has consequences.

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Also, let peace always be your priority when chosing political sides.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Never argue politics on the internet--it's like running in the special olympics: even if you win, you're still a retard.


And yes, I'm aware that is very un PC.

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* sigh *
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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ditto.


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...What's with all the sighing and Pokemon naming?

It's a joke I heard on the internet once. I thought it was funny. Even if it's un PC.

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Pokemon naming?

have you ever heard the old expression: if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all?


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Ditto is a pokemon that can transform into other pokemon. Hence the name ditto.

And of course I've heard that phrase. And if there was a real retarded person here I wouldn't have said it.

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Originally posted by: Warbler
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Originally posted by: die-jarjar-die
America the great was infuential, above all others, in the creation of the problem........


Now, just how were we "influential" in creating the Tsunami? huh?


1......did you somehow fail to notice the number of comments made that said my post was in jest & not to be fully taken seriously?

2......my quote was in reference to America's apparant foreign policy.....how did you make the connection with forces of nature? I didnt mention them.......trying to subvert my comments with a meaningless & unrelated reply just leaves me perplexed....

3......this is all in JEST
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and how do you know there aren't any?


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