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Only so long as you remain here.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
" Just because you think he's not one of us"

Just me? You might want to look at his post prior to yours. I know what I speak of.


I didn't necessarily say it was just you, and I'm not arguing whether or not you know what you're talking about. As for me, I have to feel through this situation best as I can, and I honestly can say that, based on what I've seen, he hasn't done anything as bad as even JediRandy. But that's just my opinion. You know I'm not trying to fight against you, MeBe, right?

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Sweet, I made MeBe's sig!

-and- I get top billing!

Take that JediRandy!
Your focus determines your reality.
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I'm starting to like you Gomer. You're out of control. Maybe I was wrong to get mixed up with a guy like you. You're a loner...a rebel! I am not so sure about that JediRandi though, he just doesn't have the same "proud to be gay for Lucas" confidence and panache that you have.

HARMY RULES

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I agree that Gomer has a right to post here. As does anyone. Never should any site become the censor-happy thought police state of TF.N.

But MeBe's right. He is laughing behind that keyboard and here to stir up trouble. And he does represent everything that this site stands against. He's smart enough not to act too far out of line, but years of him continually posting snipes at the Original films, and fans of them who expect a proper restoration, will wear anyone down...
Fuck the Jedi Council.
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Imagine how I must feel. Do you know how many times I see someone taking snipes at the SE/Prequels/People who love them?

I just learned to accept that everyone has their own point of view.


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The major difference being this is a site is dedicated to the O-OT.

Noone is saying you didn't have a right to defend yourself either here or at TF.n. At TF.n, at least your membership made sense - especially considering the Pro-Lucas group over there. But here, you're really only here to cause trouble. Fans like you are the one of the largest reasons (excuses, human shields, whatever) Lucas is able to continue to milk and bilk consumers.
Fuck the Jedi Council.
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So what if this site is about the O-OT? It's still Star Wars right?

Nobody is being millked. If people buy stuff they don't really want, that's their doing.
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Not really. All the responsibility - especially if they are poorly informed and "lied to by implication" - is not on the consumer.

If informed consumers - in a unified voice - spoke up to Lucasfilm; then they would do what they are supposed to do - as other companies do. It's only because LFL has so many spin doctors, paid and unpaid, out there twisting this crap into a tangled confusing mess - that they are allowed to get away with this behaviour.

So yes, fans exactly like you are very much the reason why fans on this site don't have what they want. In other words, while you smile and play your little games over here; you are stabbing your proverbial knife into the back of everyone who demands a solid preservation and release.
Fuck the Jedi Council.
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I personally think you guys are stabbing yourselves in the back with all this wonton negativity towards Lucas.

You guys are operating under the incorrect assumption that Lucas is going to quake in his boots and worry about what his investors will think if he isn't pleasing the "fans".

The simple truth is that there are a lot of people who -like- the SE's and Prequels. They aren't mindless sheep, they just aren't as sentimentally attatched to the original versions as many here are. They legitimately think the 2004 SE looks and sounds better than these films have ever looked and sounded before. Lucas doesn't -have- to worry about a bunch of disgruntled 30 somethings who can't accept change in their favorite movie.

Personally I think it's pretty big of Lucas to cave in on this and finally release the O-OT on DVD at all. I think he did it just for you guys, and what thanks does he get?

You guys call him a liar, you guys say he's milking the fanbase, you guys set out to bootleg these DVD's (some of you) for the sole purpose of not giving Lucas any more money.

I remember a time when fans of Star Wars actually gave Lucas credit for making these films in the first place. Now a lot of you guys act like Star Wars was great despite Lucas, and everything good was the result of Lucas not getting to do what he wants, while everything bad was the result of Lucas having his own way.

How many times do you think Lucas will listen to you guys insulting him before he just says: "Go screw yourselves, I don't need your money that badly?"
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He told us to "go screw ourselves" (to use your words) long before people started criticizing him. You seem to be under the delusion - although more likely you are spinning the delusion - that fans brought this on ourselves. George Lucas brought this anamosity on himself. His actions and his choices is the source for the criticism; fans such as yourself enable him to hold his stance. This - again - is not Chicken and the Egg. You seem to have problems understanding cause-effect. George buries OT. George gets criticized. Cause. Effect.

Stop spinning this issue around. Stop pretending like you are here to help. Stop lying (as MeBe illustrated beyond doubt with your many contradictory statements). Stop enabling a corporation to mislead, milk and bilk customers and fans at every turn.
Fuck the Jedi Council.
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That's just it, they aren't misleading, milking or bilking people.

I understand the cause and effect of Lucas burying the originals and all of us (including me I might add) criticising him for that.

But here we are with a freshly unburied DVD of the O-OT. Sure it's not anamorphic, but couldn't we give him a modicum of credit?

I'm not saying you guys don't have a right to feel the way you do about it. I'm just saying Lucas didn't have to release the O-OT at all, and yet he did.

Just for you guys.

And still most of you guys curse his name on a daily basis.

My point is why should he give any more of a crap than he already has at this point?
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Only so long as you remain here.


Damn..I've been around many silly fights on forums in my day..but this is just retarded. It's a frigging STAR WARS FORUM. Get over it. Go outside.

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If you had listened to Gomer as much as MeBe or some others had, you'd say the same thing. Trust me.
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No, I wouldn't. Because it's not worth getting bent out of shape over a frigging Star Wars forum.
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Originally posted by: EvanOz85
No, I wouldn't. Because it's not worth getting bent out of shape over a frigging Star Wars forum.


So it's worth pointing out, then? If this sort of behavior doesn't appeal to you, you're not doing a good job in being above it.

Want to book yourself or a guest on THE VFP Show? PM me!

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Yes, because it's funny to me. I have no interest in being "above it."

LOL.
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George Lucas is a liar and a fraud.

He has released these films THREE times in 3 years. The greed of the man is astounding. He knows people like Gomer will lap up anything that Lucasfilm can defecate out into the market.

He says 100% that he will not release the O-OT, then he sees there is money to be made, so he goes back on that - which Gushers said he would never do because of his integrity and magical vision. But he doesn't want to do what EVERY OTHER filmmaker in the world would do and release the films straight out in good quality with good extras. No. He has to piss about - lie about the quality, force consumers to by the 2004 turds AGAIN in order to get the grainy originals.

A win-win. IF it sells he gets more money. If it doesn't he states that no-one wanted the originals and then releases the films next year with more changes and different covers.


Why can't he release the O-OT like any other movie is released. What is so difficult? If he prefers the cartoony, diluted, colour saturated crap of the SEs then he can watch them to his greedy hearts content.

I am fed up of his lying, contradictions and complete cluelessness as to what made Star Wars great. I am fed up of him pretending to know what he is talking about by using words like "Motif", "Maguffin" and "vision".

The man is a joke. He has destroyed his own legend for all but the weak-minded who need a hero to worship. A fluke 30 years ago does not a good filmmaker make. And the world has seen the truth.


Its all about the money.

I make these films for myself more than I make them for anybody else…I don't really make my films for an audience ~George Lucas

The most important people for any filmmaker, the reason that I make films, is for you! The audience rules! ~ George Lucas


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Who gives a crap? Seriously. Big effin deal. So he wants more money...who doesn't.
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Originally posted by: MANDALORIAN
George Lucas is a liar and a fraud. He has released these films THREE times in 3 years. The greed of the man is astounding. He knows people like Gomer will lap up anything that Lucasfilm can defecate out into the market. Sure, but that doesn't make him a liar or a fraud. He knows Star Wars fans will want to buy it, which is why he does it. But it's not like we haven't been asking him for this particular release for years now.
Originally posted by: MANDALORIAN
He says 100% that he will not release the O-OT, then he sees there is money to be made, so he goes back on that. Lucas is a business man. Do you really think he didn't see the money in releasing the O-OT on DVD until years after we made this pettition?
Originally posted by: MANDALORIAN
- which Gushers said he would never do because of his integrity and magical vision. But he doesn't want to do what EVERY OTHER filmmaker in the world would do and release the films straight out in good quality with good extras. No. He has to piss about - lie about the quality, force consumers to by the 2004 turds AGAIN in order to get the grainy originals. Well to him "good quailty" was the 2004 SE, and the Empire of Dreams is an award winning doccumentary, and can you prove he's lying about the quality?

Nobody is being forced to do anything. The reason he releases these films over and over is because they have constant demand. When the 2004 box set ran out of stock, he put out the 2005 set without the limited edition's bonus disc at a reduced price point. This particular release was initially meant for people who didn't want more than one or two of these movies, and didn't get the box set. Cue legions of fans just like us, relentlessly asking for the O-OT, and you have the bonus disc. I think if he were to have released these with just disc 2 on it, it would have probably cost about the same. What's really great is the SE disc is held on a detatchable wing so if you want you can just get rid of it.

As far as special features, that's what the rumored box set is about next year.
Originally posted by: MANDALORIAN
A win-win. IF it sells he gets more money. If it doesn't he states that no-one wanted the originals and then releases the films next year with more changes and different covers. He's not looking at the sales of this release to tell him wether or not he should release these films next year with more changes. He's going to do that anyway. And yes if it sells he gets more money. That's how it works.Originally posted by: MANDALORIAN
Why can't he release the O-OT like any other movie is released. What is so difficult? If he prefers the cartoony, diluted, colour saturated crap of the SEs then he can watch them to his greedy hearts content.
He says the original negatives were permanantly altered in the creation of the SE, and all the existing prints are in poor quality.Originally posted by: MANDALORIAN
I am fed up of his lying, contradictions and complete cluelessness as to what made Star Wars great. I am fed up of him pretending to know what he is talking about by using words like "Motif", "Maguffin" and "vision".
It's his movie, he's the guy who knows what made Star Wars great (to him). I know not everyone else enjoys the full spectrum of Lucas' taste, but they are -his- movies.Originally posted by: MANDALORIAN
The man is a joke. He has destroyed his own legend for all but the weak-minded who need a hero to worship. A fluke 30 years ago does not a good filmmaker make. And the world has seen the truth.
A fluke? Dude, Star Wars is still one of the strongest franchises around, after a period where it had all but blinked out of existance for what was it like 10 years? Some of us didn't look at this as a fight between what Luas wanted and what "we" wanted. Some of us just sat back and let the man tell his story. I don't see why it makes me weak minded just because I want to enjoy these movies.Originally posted by: MANDALORIAN
Its all about the money.
Yes, people sell stuff to make money. It's not like he's got a gun at anyone's head, there is constant demand for it. If you don't think there's anything more to it than money, then maybe it's not worth buying into.
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Great post Gomer...you seem to be one of the more reasonable people around here.
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Please note the one time "Gomer" and "reasonable" are put in the same sentence ^^^

GL is a businessman. I don't begrudge him for using the free market to line his pockets in the least. Yay capitalism...

On the other hand, I don't understand those who feel the need to protect him either. He's gonna die a billionaire all the same and thousands will line up to see his casket. He's gonna be just fine, trust me.
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Welcome to the boards, TheChozn1!

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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If you're referring to me as being someone who is "protecting him", well then you're sadly mistaken. I'm only pointing out the utter stupidity of wasting your life worrying about if Lucas is a fraud or a liar. There are many frauds and liars in the world..and many of them are doing REAL damage to the world. Complaining about Lucas and how "oh so terriibllee" he is on a forum, is just as dorky and loseresque as it gets.
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Thanks much Gaffer!

I use to post at TFn a good bit and now reside at the site in my sig. You have a nice site here though and I know several of the posters, so I decided to sign up after lurking for a bit.
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