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Oh I agree. I'm not saying most people hated the originals.

The only reason we have such heated debates about the SE/Prequels is because now some of you who don't like the new Star Wars liked the originals.

The people who didn't like any Star Wars just went "eh" and moved on with their lives. While the people who didn't like the SE/Prequels, but who -did- like the O-OT have a vested interest in the franchise, which is why they are so passionate about telling everyone that the SE/Prequels really suck despite their incredible success at the box office and on home video.
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Christ, Gomer. You just can't get enough of seeing your own typing, can you? "The world is like this, and people are like that, blah, blah, blah."

This is precisely why you were banned from TF.n, but you just can't help yourself, can you? You and your little soapbox.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I have yet to see you make a single post today that wasn't centered in on flaming another user in this forum.

What makes you any better?
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The success of the SEs in theatres and at home is only a small fraction of the revenues generated by the Original Trilogy and the original films. The SE's success is entirely dependent upon and leveraged the love for the Original films. Without it, all your beloved post-97 works would not exist.

Despite your views, this is not a case of the Chicken and the Egg. The original 1977 Star Wars did COME FIRST. This is fact. It's success and overwhelming acceptance in all avenues of public culture (not just movie fans, not just sci fi fans, not just geeks, not just kids) is the SOLE REASON for any sequels. That is fact. It is the sole premise on which the SE's were both restored and marketed. That is fact. It is the ONLY VERSION recognized by the Library of Congress and its restoration efforts. That is fact.


Frankly Gomer, I don't even know what you are doing here. You represent everything and every problem that this site is against. You have slammed it and ridiculed this site on more than one occassion. It's blathering LFL buffoons like yourself trying to spin their corporate milking of this once great film that is killing any efforts for preservation and release of the OT in any kind of quality format. If fans like yourself had a shred of decency, compassion or balls; you would join us in vocalizing this problem to LFL and perhaps we would see real positive change and healing. Instead, you continue to exist to drive a wedge into fandom and destroy the original beauty and magic which captured an entire nation by force.



Fuck the Jedi Council.
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Originally posted by: WaragainsttheCouncil
The success of the SEs in theatres and at home is only a small fraction of the revenues generated by the Original Trilogy and the original films. The SE's success is entirely dependent upon and leveraged the love for the Original films. Without it, all your beloved post-97 works would not exist. I am certainly not suggesting otherwise. I love the original OT quite a bit myself you know.
Originally posted by: WaragainsttheCouncil
Despite your views, this is not a case of the Chicken and the Egg. The original 1977 Star Wars did COME FIRST. This is fact. It's success and overwhelming acceptance in all avenues of public culture (not just movie fans, not just sci fi fans, not just geeks, not just kids) is the SOLE REASON for any sequels. That is fact. It is the sole premise on which the SE's were both restored and marketed. That is fact. It is the ONLY VERSION recognized by the Library of Congress and its restoration efforts. That is fact. That's okay, I don't really recognize the library of congress either. Originally posted by: WaragainsttheCouncil
Frankly Gomer, I don't even know what you are doing here. You represent everything and every problem that this site is against. You have slammed it and ridiculed this site on more than one occassion.
Oh no, did I? When this site was first put together, I was one of the first here to sign the pettitions. I didn't post here, but I supported the idea that Lucas should release the O-OT on DVD, not so much for my benefit (although I did want and am happy to finally be getting the O-OT on DVD myself), but I thought that would curb the Lucas hate. I figure most people would be happy with Lucas doing what he wants with the originals as long as the original versions were available. Of course at the time I didn't realize so many would be so upset by the lack of anamorphic.Originally posted by: WaragainsttheCouncil
It's blathering LFL buffoons like yourself trying to spin their corporate milking of this once great film that is killing any efforts for preservation and release of the OT in any kind of quality format. If fans like yourself had a shred of decency, compassion or balls; you would join us in vocalizing this problem to LFL and perhaps we would see real positive change and healing. Instead, you continue to exist to drive a wedge into fandom and destroy the original beauty and magic which captured an entire nation by force.
Actually, I did sign the pettition, and I have always maintained that I always disagreed with Lucas when it came to his decision to not release the O-OT on DVD.

I think it's funny you feel I'm personally responsible for destroying "the original beauty and magic which captured and entire nation by force."
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For god sake Gomer has admitted to "loving Jar-Jar". You can't reason with a person like that, he's a bit dim, and very Gay for Lucas.

HARMY RULES

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I am gay for Lucas, what can I say, I have to give the man credit for making this great Saga in the first place.

And what's not to love about Jar-Jar? He's funny, silly and gets racked in the nuts at least 2 times in TPM. That right there is comic gold.
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Stop right here.


Seriously.


Before anyone here goes any further, I want a question answered:

What is "hate" for Lucas?

George Lucas can anger me at times. I think he's a delusional spin-master, but I don't hate him. I don't wish him ill will or misfortune. I firmly support his rights as an artist. I don't have a big problem with the SE's or the PT, but I have a big problem with his deck-stacking (bad-looking OUT vs. beautiful SE) in this release.

If that's hate, you are entirely too sensitive.

As for people wishing death on Lucas, these people are in need of psychiatric help or they're PT fans trying to paint OT fans in a bad light. These are not real fans and they should not be taken seriously.

Want to book yourself or a guest on THE VFP Show? PM me!

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It's really the people who wish death on Lucas I'm talking about.

Personally I don't think he stacked the deck against the O-OT, he merey made the 2004 SE better. Even if there had been an anamorphic release of the O-OT on DVD, it would still have all the film grain, the thick matte lines, the obvious matte paintings, and so on.

Still I'd love to see it, because that's what I grew up with. Back in the day, that was certainly good enough, and it's still good enough now.

I have to say I was pleasantly suprised to see that not everyone here hates Lucas, and even some of the people who run the site seem to be against such unconstructive hate.
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Why all the sudden we have all the flame wars going on?

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MeBeJedi, realize Gome's impossible to reason with. I don't think he's gay - whatever's clever anyway. I just think he works for Lucas or Lucasfilm, and if he doesn't physically, he does metaphorically. So his spin doctor has come here - to a site he once ridiculed -

Luckily, Lucas only "thinks" he's made better SE DVDs. Lucas thinks he'll even make his case with the more casual viewer and shore up support. Silence his critics, if you will. Consumers will get the 2004 DVD in all its form and then this poor O-OT release, no better than any bootleg of an LD transfer ---- but it will backfire. Even a low-quality original STAR WARS will look better, feel more magical, than the 04 DVDs; which suffered huge color problems, sound issues and generally plagued with unnecessary bloat.

The 04 SE of the original film is a technical digitized disaster - and people will see it for that. This set MAKES THE CASE for the preservation of the original film. And seeing them side by side will prove it
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" I have yet to see you make a single post today that wasn't centered in on flaming another user in this forum."

That's because you've hardly been here, which is because you don't normally come here, which is because you don't like what these boards are about, which is why I know you are here to troll.

And the users I am flaming are you and JediRandy - two well-known gushers who have no respect for what these boards were created for.

Sorry that TF.n doesn't want you, but neither do we. These are not the boards you are looking for.

"What makes you any better?"

The fact that I come to these boards to contribute to them, not to laugh at the people on these boards behind their backs and spam the boards with bullshit posts. The only reason you are here is because you're pissed at TF.n, and can't do anything about it, and need a soapbox to point out to everyone how much you love Lucas and his current incarnation of the films.

Your presence here is self-serving and pathetic.

"Why all the sudden we have all the flame wars going on?"

Gomer is here solely to advance his agenda, which goes completely against the spirit in which these boards were created. He's just trying to weasel his way into the "discussions" here, because nothing gets him off faster than making facetious posts about people whom he feels unfairly put down Lucas or any SW films beyond the OOT. It's his lot in life.

" MeBeJedi, realize Gome's impossible to reason with."

Believe me - I've dealt with him for years on F.n. I know his fame. Unfortunately, not many other people here do. I'm not going to let him sucker them in.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: WaragainsttheCouncil
MeBeJedi, realize Gome's impossible to reason with. I don't think he's gay - whatever's clever anyway. I just think he works for Lucas or Lucasfilm, and if he doesn't physically, he does metaphorically. So his spin doctor has come here - to a site he once ridiculed - I'm impossible to reason with? Sounds reasonable to me. I don't remember ridiculing this site, can you refresh my memory?
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" I have yet to see you make a single post today that wasn't centered in on flaming another user in this forum."

That's because you've hardly been here, which is because you don't normally come here, which is because you don't like what these boards are about, which is why I know you are here to troll. So because I've hardly been here before, that changes the fact that you have done nothing but flame other users all day here today? I don't mind what these boards and this site is about, as I explained elsewhere, I was one of the first people to sign the Original Trilogy Pettition when it first came about.
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And the users I am flaming are you and JediRandy - two well-known gushers who have no respect for what these boards were created for. I don't think you should be flaming anyone. How can you expect others to respect you if you don't show any respect for others yourself?
Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Sorry that TF.n doesn't want you, but neither do we. These are not the boards you are looking for. I can't say I particulalry want you either, but I am not the kind of dude to exclude people just because they don't agree with me.
Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"What makes you any better?"

The fact that I come to these boards to contribute to them, not to laugh at the people on these boards behind their backs and spam the boards with bullshit posts.
So your idea of "contributing" here is to do nothing but flame people you suspect are trolls? Is't that a bit trollish in the first place?Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
The only reason you are here is because you're pissed at TF.n, and can't do anything about it, and need a soapbox to point out to everyone how much you love Lucas and his current incarnation of the films.
I'm not pissed at TFN, it's not like I'm the only one who ever gets banned over there. It's quite a common occurance really.Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Your presence here is self-serving and pathetic.
Well of course Im here to serve my own interests. Are you telling me you have no personal interest in coming here?Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"Why all the sudden we have all the flame wars going on?"

Gomer is here solely to advance his agenda, which goes completely against the spirit in which these boards were created. He's just trying to weasel his way into the "discussions" here, because nothing gets him off faster than making facetious posts about people whom he feels unfairly put down Lucas or any SW films beyond the OOT. It's his lot in life.
I'm here to advance my personal point of view. These boards are about getting the O-OT on DVD, and I have been and always will be for that. I do also happen to be a huge Lucas supporter, I happen to have closely followed his interviews and think he gets a pretty undeserved rap a lot of the times, so yeah I will stick up for the guy who made all this possible in the first place.Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
" MeBeJedi, realize Gome's impossible to reason with."

Believe me - I've dealt with him for years on F.n. I know his fame. Unfortunately, not many other people here do. I'm not going to let him sucker them in.
Look out! I'm going to trick you into enjoying the SE's and Prequels!
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Your feigned ignorance is astounding.

"This is not the main feature we are talking about here, it's just a bonus feature that gives fans an idea of how much better the films have gotten over time." - Go-Mer Tonic

In this link, Gomer goes through very single ANH change, and explains why they are better.

Oh you know, just out there representing the SW fans who still think George Lucas is a genius. cool

...and thinking of you.

I will not betray Lucasfilm. My loyalty is with George Lucas, the Jedi Council forums, and with you.LINK


And, of course, my favorites:

"Because the prequels are better made than the classic trilogy, it becomes much more obvious."

"I hope that Lucas has the gumption to realize he should re-shoot the classic trilogy to bring it up to the high water mark of quality set by the prequels so far. If he doesn't do that, then I fear the classic trilogy will at best, be remembered as "that mediocre sequel to one of the best trilogies of all time."


"Okay, I am just kidding!

To tell you the truth, I like the classic trilogy as much as the prequels. I was just trying to show how anyone can be let down by anything if they put their minds to it."

It is interesting to see people read the first page and then return a nearly identical argurment in the reverse. It's poetic.

You can have the pre-SE classic trilogy. I'm happy with the whole saga the way it is and don't think it needs to be anything more than it is.

Hawk I merely took two of your posts and replaced CT stuff with PT stuff. I don't mean any condescention towards you. I am just showing you how you can make the same arguments against the Classic Trilogy.

In all honesty, I am not kidding on this point.

I am trying to be as realistic as possible when satiring the criticism that has been slung at the prequels since they have been made available.

The classic trilogy is dead. Long live the complete Saga!

The prequels only have to be as good as the classic trilogy. The classic trilogy is widely considered a classic, and the prequels simply complete that classic story.

"If you refer to my "Is the classic trilogy dragging down the overal quality of the SW saga?" thread, I am not being serious there. I am just showing how one could be just as whiney about the classic trilogy as a lot of people are about the prequels.

I stick to my character in that thread. It wouldn't work if I didn't.

I am not saying the OT is bad, I am just saying the prequels are as good.

But even if Lucas just keeps the classic trilogy as bad as it is


Notice the third to the last one. That's classic Gomer. I was more than happy to give these to the TF.n mods at the time, as they were getting ready to ban his ass for this kind of nonsense. Obviously, he's not stopped - neither there or here.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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You have to keep in mind the "Is the Classic Trilogy Dragging Down the Overall Quality of the Saga" thread is meant as a parody of the complaints leveled at the prequels.

I admitted as much on the bottom of the first page, but some people got really upset so they locked it.

I still say that thread was ahead of it's time.

I still don't see what's so unacceptable about me preffering the SE versions, or still thinking that George Lucas is a genius.
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Fuck you, Gomer. It's all there, in black and white, for everyone to see. This is what you are all about, and what you intend to bring to these boards. You are not to be taken seriously, and your posts are not to be taken at face value.

Folks, think about it - this is the guy who claimed "As far as going back to TFN, I can't I was banned for a lenghty duration for saying that this is the best the O-OT has ever looked on home video to date."

Let me reitereat: "this is the best the O-OT has ever looked on home video to date."

Think about it - do you REALLY think he'd be banned for saying simply that? At a site that LOVES Lucas gushers?!?

TF.n finally wised up. Even the gusher mods are editing his posts to high heaven. He can't go far enough about his love for Lucas, as far as he's concerned. Don't fall for his bullshit here, either.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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It's not bullshit, I really like the SE's, the Prequels and George Lucas.

I am also glad to get the O-OT on DVD.
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Oh, come on, guys. This whole thing is silly. Go-Mer is certainly entitled to share his opinion without being bitched out. No movie is universally loved. Yes. Believe it or not, it is indeed possible that some people did not like the Star Wars movies. Gasp. But it's true.

As for Gomer, it's impossible to compare the prequels to the original trilogy in terms of popularity. Hell, by that token, it's impossible to compare the sequels to the original Star Wars. They already had a built-in fanbase. They were destined to do well. They were destined to attract some of those Star Wars fans. As stand-alone movies, I doubt they would have created the fanbase that the original Star Wars did. I'm willing to wager they were pretty much totally dependent on the success of the original movies in order to be successful at all. That's simply my opinion. It's still too soon to tell.

Now can we please stop all this crazy bickering from both sides? I can sense Zion coming in any minute now to start kicking some ass. There was a time when we didn't even need moderators because we could control ourselves and mediate a problem when things got out of hand. Now I'm seeing Zion all over the place, having to tell people to play nice or to close down threads. Come on! Let's be better than that!

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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"I am also glad to get the O-OT on DVD. "

Only for comparison's sake, asshole. We, here, LOVE the OOT. You aren't one of us.

This will continue while Gomer hangs around here.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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MeBeJedi: Only for comparison's sake, asshole. We, here, LOVE the OOT. So do I. I grew up with these films just like anoyne else who grew up during that time.MeBeJedi: You aren't one of us.
I can't say I find that very disappointing.
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Just because you think he's not one of us, MeBe, doesn't mean he doesn't have a right to post here. I mean, that's the kind of thing that TF.n says about us, or so I've heard...

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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"I can't say I find that very disappointing. "

Thank you for so deftly proving what I've been saying all along.

Asshole.

Defend him all you want, Gaffer, but he's laughing at you for doing so.

" Just because you think he's not one of us"

Just me? You might want to look at his post prior to yours. I know what I speak of.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Gaffer Tape, and just about everyone else around here have all been very enjoyable to talk with, but all you do is flame and insult people you don't agree with.
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Get used to it, Gomer.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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If that is your destiny.
Your focus determines your reality.