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"Troy" Re-Cut (Released)

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Well I am in the in the latter stages of my first fan-edit.

Let me say this right now: Troy sucked. Big time. The acting was wooden, the script a horrible, clichéd mess that was only mildly faithful to the superior source material, the photography was boring, the production design incredibly amateurish, the score worthless (synthesizers??!), the characters unlikeable and it just went on and on. Only the sometimes-impressive visual effects and the magnetic screen-presence of Brad Pitt saved the film from utter ruin. In my opinion of course.

But underneath all of that trash, I could see that there was a movie salvageable. Not a great one, but a watchable one at least, something people could enjoy.

What was the problem? Two things. One, the film was attempting to be a moving, tragic historical epic 50% of the time. It is far too cliched, boring and poorly directed to be such a thing. Two, the film was attempting to be an action-packed comic-book like adventure film the other 50% of the time, with epic scenery, larger-than-life heroes and an enjoyably cheesy ambiance. This works for the most part, but the first 50% offsets this second half and both fall apart.

Well, I have salvaged that second aspect into its own movie. This is not a moving and emotional historical epic like Gladiator or Kingdom of Heaven—it’s a comic book adventure film in the vein of Ray Harryhausen. Think Jason and the Argonauts, 7th Voyage of Sinbad, Clash of the Titans.
This is my version of the movie formerly known as Troy. I have yet to give it a new name—suggestions are welcome. I was thinking of merely Achilles to reflect the change in story focus from the whole Trojan war to just Achilles but that strikes me as a somewhat dull title.

Challenges:
-Achilles is presented as an Dirty Harry-like anti-hero; well, the rogue aspect of him works, but he comes off as a murderous, bloodthirsty sociopath in the film.
The original cut has no protagonist; the film is split between Achilles (Brad Pitt), Hector (Eric Bana) and Paris (Orlando Bloom). Achilles’ story is the most interesting one but his character is very uneven; Hector is interesting to a degree but we never really get a feel for him and he dies halfway; Paris is just annoying and the whole “doomed romance” plot totally fails and drags the movie down with it. This begs the question: who’s story is this? In trying to answer it with “everybody’s story” the filmmakers inevitably gave us “nobody’s story.”
-Bad pacing. There’s too many pointless battle shots of random soldiers fighting, the film seems to stop a million times for funerals, the overuse of a the “tragic” wailing first made trendy by Gladiator is very annoying and theres far too many scenes where characters sit and provide exposition and talk irrelevant politics. And it goes on far too long.

Well, I’ve solved those problems, for the most part. Achilles is now the clear protagonist of the film, a rogue-ish hero with a bad streak of attitude in him but generally likeable. Paris and Hector are there as adversaries for him but they are developed to a degree as people with their own issues; Hector and King Priam come across as more devious and antagonistic now, and Paris much more sneaky, though I think the audience identifies with his struggle more now that all the crappy dialog is cut down.

Complete list of changes:

I am still working on little tweaks and cuts. There probably a few things i forgot to mention too.

Final running time: 2 hours, 20 minutes.
original run time: 2 hours, 42 minutes.

The final product is a fast-paced, comic-book-like adventure epic which follows Achilles, the greatest hero who ever lived, as he battles the greedy and nasty King Agamemnon, wrestles with the morality of war, battles the Trojans and romances Briseis. It is very watchable but still imperfect due to the actual source—nevertheless, this is all the good that lay in the film known as Troy.

Should have this done by wednesday or so. Anyone interested?

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Cool idea. Haven't seen an edit of Troy attempted before. I've only seen this once in theaters and kinda enjoyed it for what it was, but I haven't had the desire to watch it since. Anyway, the three best things about this movie can be expressed by the following names. Eric Bana, Peter O'Toole, and Sean Bean. Sounds like you'll be cutting many of the things I like about the film, but it seems like an interesting take on the material.
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Interesting idea, although I really like the original as it is.
But I will give it a try.

Nothing about fanediting is easy.

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I'd be well up for seeing an improvement in this "epic", unlike my friend boon23 - I was truly non-plussed in the original, though one thing that won't be corrected which is no fault of your own zombie84 is "WHERE ARE THE GODS !!!". Ah well. Poseidon just proved that Wolfgang has officially lost the plot and should be banned from big budget extravaganzas - send him back to TV so we get another Das Boot
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Looking forward to this... I didn't hate the original but I was definetely disappointed by it. Sounds like you fixed a lot of bad points in the movie.

And I have to agree with OCPM... Gabriel Yared where ever possible!

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I'm looking forward to this, though like Boon I like the original as it is. I liked the filmmakers' fictional-historical take of The Iliad that dispensed with all the supernatural elements. One fan edit that I would really like to see made is a version of the Iliad that brings in the gods, using footage from other films, but that's going to be one hell of a project.
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Sounds like you have really done a lot of work on this. As someone who has extensively studied ancient Greek literature and civilization, you can imagine how appalled I was by this movie. In my opinion, this movie is utter shit and unable to be salvaged. But I commend you for attempting it.

The only thing is, I noticed that you are dehumanizing the Trojans to make us like the Greeks better. As far as your edit goes, this is a good thing. But I just want to comment that this was the only aspect of the movie the original film-makers got right. In the "Iliad" the Trojans are protecting their home from an invading force and represent "good, old-fashioned values, protecting their families" (so to speak). The Greeks are meant to be shown as outsiders, in a murderous and impious light because they are later cursed. Agamemnon gets murdered by his wife on his return, among countless other stories taking place after the seige of Troy. Basically, showing the Greeks as "bad guys" was important because it was a morality play to teach others not to do those sorts of things in war.

But that's just a long tangent. I still think your edit will work well and will probably improve a horrendous movie. Cutting out cheesy lines will definitely be welcome. But if you want to keep the "Trojans as good guys stuff," then you will be retaining some of what was in the "Iliad."

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I think the filmmakers made the right decision to not include the Gods. After all, how do you visualize Gods? Do they have blue glows surrounding them? Are they done as a P.O.V. type of thing where you see them in one shot guiding Paris' arrow and then cut to another shot and they're gone? Are they just a bunch of guys floating around on clouds? I can't really visualize the Gods in any way that doesn't scream out "Hallmark TV movie of the month."

When I saw the movie, I went into it thinking of what the filmmakers were going for, which I think was to show a possible backstory to the myth that would've later become the Illiad. In many ways, it demystifies the legend and brings it down to a more human level, and at the same time the filmmakers were making a throwback to the classic sword and sandal epics.

I think this edit could be interesting as I mentioned, but from my point of view, the Trojans were the good guys of the story as opposed to the Greeks. This edit takes the opposite point of view and does so by dehumanizing the Trojans and glorifying (by cutting acts of barabarism) the Greeks. I guess the arc, as forced as it may have been, for the character of Achilles was to show him as a brute and monster, and then bring the character to a point where he is a member of society with a full range of emotions (which ultimately leads to his downfall).

Is the Gabriel Yared score available anywhere in its full form? I knew some excerpts were posted to his website.
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Originally posted by: ShiftyEyes
I think the filmmakers made the right decision to not include the Gods. . . . When I saw the movie, I went into it thinking of what the filmmakers were going for, which I think was to show a possible backstory to the myth that would've later become the Illiad. In many ways, it demystifies the legend and brings it down to a more human level, and at the same time the filmmakers were making a throwback to the classic sword and sandal epics.


I quite agree. It's a tale that could ostensibly be presented as history. Still, a fan edit that includes the god's interventions would be an awesome alternative.

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My daughter actually watched Troy in her history lessons in school. I think this movie is a great greek tale of the troy battle, well presented, well acted and a good mixture of hollywood action and epic history lesson.

Nothing about fanediting is easy.

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Originally posted by: boon23
My daughter actually watched Troy in her history lessons in school.




At least if history is to be taught via movies - they should use better material than that !

I'm thinking U-571 and Pearl Harbor for starters
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Originally posted by: BrikHaus81
When was the last time Hollywood actually made a historically accurate movie anyway?


Star Wars.
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Originally posted by: BrikHaus81
Originally posted by: meedermow


I'm thinking U-571 and Pearl Harbor for starters


I can only hope you are joking When was the last time Hollywood actually made a historically accurate movie anyway?


The writer of Kingdom of Heaven self-proclaimed the magnificent directors cut to be the most historically accurate movie ever made. I think i might agree with him.

As for Gabriel Yard's rejected score, I haven't come across it and surprisingly James Horner's rather cartoonish score now works better than ever, though I am still trying to tone down the synthesizers in a few spots; do synthesizers ever work in period films?? If anyone knows where to find Yard's score though i would love to hear it, as it is supposedly his best work.

I've cut out a few more bits, notably Hector's funeral, which i felt was not necessary after watching a rough cut. And i have to say, i was surprisingly moved by certain parts of the film, much more than the original cut and even when i am attempting to downplay all the other characters--just goes to show you what the elimination of boring exposition and lame dialog will do for you.

As for Sean Bean--i didn't even notice him in the original cut except for one or two scenes but now with my new cut he becomes elevated to a secondary character.

After viewing my first pass i did notice one thing that may be hard to overcome--Achilles dissapears from the story at two key points, the first being between his recruitment in Greece and appearance on the shores of Troy and the second and most major one being the attempted seige of Troy, where the film completely leaves him behind for almost twenty minutes. I have included him as a spectator but the drama is really on Paris and Hector and it really is the best scene in the entire film and a major plot point--i could trim it back to just the necessary exposition required but i fear that it might rob the scene of all its drama and hence not serve any purpose. I may experiment with this a bit. As it stands the scene is a few minutes shorter but it is a bit odd that just as Achilles becomes the focus he dissapears for fifteen minutes.
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The writer of Kingdom of Heaven self-proclaimed the magnificent directors cut to be the most historically accurate movie ever made. I think i might agree with him.
With the exception that the main character basically takes the name and famous deed of a historical figure and makes up everything else about him. And they fabricate a love story between him and the Queen. Not that I'm complaining. The fictional parts makes for a much more interesting movie!
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I wonder if they'll ever make a sequel to Troy -- though I guess The Odyssey relies so much on the supernatural that there wouldn't be much of a story without that element.
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this is the worst adaptation of the illiad I have ever seen. It had a much smaller budget but hallmark entertainment's helen of troy mini series for t.v. was more faithful to the homeric material.

If there was a way to recut it as the Homeric Cut i wish someone would do it that way. this movie was an overlyladen special effects farce, better than alexander by a mile but still not homer.

Brad Pitt as achilles please, he lacks the depth of emotion and rage of the character. His interpretation is a cardboard cutout two dimensional greek rambo, brainless mindless killer.

the odyssey would make for a grand movie adventure epic if they got the material right.

they would have to film it as two films starting with a real version of the illiad, then In the second part show how he trys to get home.

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This project sounds really, really good. I most definitely want to see it when it's finished. With this and my Alexander edit, some of these failed epics seem to be improving!
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In case anyone is wondering, yes, this has been delayed--my computer died last week and its been a bit of an ordeal since then. Fortunately i have salvaged the cut.
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hey, did this ever happen?
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I loved the original cut, but this is a very interesting idea and your changes all make lots of sense.
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Your idea is very interesting !

And here is more material for you :

On September 18, Warner Home Video will debut Wolfgang Petersen's all-new, unrated version - not seen in theatres - of his epic film Troy. With 30 minutes of new footage, Troy Director's Cut, including special features from its first DVD release, will be available in collectible O-sleeve packaging and will sell for $20.97 SRP. The HD DVD will debut simultaneously at $34.99 SRP.

The HD DVD too is expected to contain all the bonus materials found on the upcoming director's cut 2-disc DVD release. They include:

Troy Revisited: An Introduction by Wolfgang Petersen
Troy in Focus
In The Thick of the Battle: Discovering how Troy's epic battle sequences were created, from thousands of warrior-extras training in the scorching heat of Mexico, to fierce one-on-one duels to the death
From Ruins to Reality: Exploring how the ruins of ancient Troy were unearthed and how Troy's production design magicians created their own version of this breathtaking, legendary city
Troy: An Effects Odyssey: Secrets of Troy's stunning visual effects are revealed, from conjuring a staggering 1,000 ship armada on the open seas, to producing the bone crunching sound effects of brutal ancient warfare
Attacking Troy
Greek Ship Towing
Theatrical Trailer
This director's cut home video release (whether DVD or HD DVD) does not contain the option to view theatrical version. For those interested in the high-definition release of the theatrical version, you'll be pleased to note that Warner Home Video has already released the theatrical version of Troy exclusively (currently still HD DVD-exclusive) on HD DVD, with HD DVD-exclusive In-Movie Experience - Picture-in-Picture director's video commentary, as one of the bonus materials...

Other specifics will be posted once we've more official details.
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That's great news, the original movie sucks, but it has its "moments". I'm curious how will the director's cut be.