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To prove a point. Please give me as many reasons and character comparisons as to why Star Wars is better than Star Trek.

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I'm trying to prove a point to a friend. Please give me as much input as possible. Even compare characters (Example: Darth Vader > Nero, any why).

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Since this is opinion, the shocking answer is that there is no answer. Any more than why an orange is better than an apple. Personally, I love both oranges AND apples, and would find it silly to chose one over the other when I can easily enjoy both.

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I love both. But I would never say that one is better than the other

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Yeah, I wouldn't be able to either.  They're both great, and totally different.  Although, since you're referring to the character of Nero, maybe you're referring not to the Trek franchise as a whole, but to the 2009 film.  If that's the case, then I'd easily be able to give you some reasons because that film is terrible. =P

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Yeah it would be helpful if you could specify if we are being asked to compare about 557 hrs of television and film (leaving the books, comics, fanfilms and audio dramas aside) or the run time of the most recent Star Trek film against the seven theatrical films and the various television incarnations of Star Wars (not to mention the Radio plays, games, comics, audio dramas, novels etc) or just the runtime of the 1977 film.

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They're really two different beats. If the names weren't so similar I don't think they would be compared quite as much. 

Though interestingly enough they both had visionary creators who worked best in a hands off capacity and who's vision of their franchise eventually differed greatly from that of the fans'. 

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The original Star Trek and Star Wars are both live-action science fiction adventure, sometimes involving space battle and aliens and other planets, with humor and big personalities, but the comparison ends there, really. In 1977 though, there wasn't anything else that had those elements, unless you went back to Forbidden Planet and Flash Gordon, but those were things that only our grandparents could really remember, if they were even aware of them. And thus was the basis for the SW vs ST debate. But it's only because for so long, these were the only science fiction adventure stories involving occassional space battle and aliens that was within living memory. That context faded away decades ago, but the legacy lives on. But they aren't really any similar beyond those superficial elements--now staples--any more than 2001 and Star Wars is.

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"When George went back and put new creatures into the original Star Wars, I find that disturbing. It’s a revision of history. That bothers me."

--James Cameron, Entertainment Weekly, April 2010

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Though I prefer Star Wars over Star Trek, the entire SW vs. ST debate is a big wide load of pendatic penis-comparing bullshit. It really, seriously, pisses me right fucking off.

Shit like this

http://www.stardestroyer.net/

really makes me sick and, honestly, ashamed to be a fan.

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We're comparing the original Star Trek TV series with the Star Wars OT. It started by arguing about who was a better captain, Kirk or Solo, then who was more logical C3P0 or Spock and it escalated from there it was more of a comparison of characters than the actual shows/movies.

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I can't.  As most here have already said, they are completely different animals, and by a wide margin.

Having said that, so many of the characters in Star Trek(all of it) are well developed and multi-dimensional, but I think that is largely due to the casting of numerous Shakespearean actors for lead roles and the volume of screen time the characters get.

The newer SW trilogy suffers from wooden acting and one dimensional characters(not Palpatine), and the reasons for that have been chronicled here before.  The OT doesn't suffer from this as much.

Bottom line is I love all kinds of Scifi and these two can't be compared on a 1:1 ratio.

So, what is the point you are trying to prove?

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zombie84 said: unless you went back to Forbidden Planet and Flash Gordon, but those were things that only our grandparents could really remember, 

As Buck Rogers, King Of The Rocketmen and Flash Gordon (along with Champion The Wonderhorse and Tarzan) were regularly shown on the telly on Saturday mornings before 1977 in the UK, I was already familiar with those tropes before seeing the film.

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Moth3r said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EQ0uVtmw2M

Qui-Gon Jinn 1, Jean-Luc Picard 0

Okay, that was the most hilarious thing I'd seen in a long time.  Shame they had to choose a Star Trek: Generations action figure, though, but it certainly worked for the comedy.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Vulcans are not a very logical cultural group.

They have elaborate murderous mating rituals which I'm sure could be better managed with IVF and some strong sedatives.

They are very embarrassed about talking about it to the point where it's not common knowledge to high ranking officers like the boss for example.

It's highly impractical not mentioning to your Captain that once in a while you will get a violent and possibly fatal urge to mate or die trying.

The medical officer should at least be looped into that email.

Threepio is more outwardly emotional but he is more functionally useful (to the point that his human owners switch him off or shut him up when he pointing out life and death situations and how to correct or avoid them).

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Protocol Droid said:


The newer SW trilogy suffers from wooden acting and one dimensional characters(not Palpatine)


Eh, Palpatine's as one dimensional as they come. The guy's evil for the sake of being evil, plain and simple.

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I disagree. Palpatine has the motive for being evil. He simply follows beliefs of the sith that "their" way is the correct or pure one.  Like in the American Civil War, there was no good guy or bad guy. It's all a point of view.

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^But this "just a point of view" relativism is George Lucas philosophy circa the turn of the century. 

The George Lucas who made the original trilogy would have said there is no "point of view"- this is a movie about heroes and villains, good versus evil. 

In fact I am surprised more people have not mentioned this as being one of the fatal flaws with the prequels.  Leaving out the idea of good versus evil was a major mistake.  Even in ROTJ, which some consider to be the weakest, that whole part in the throne room is a pure story about good and evil.

I wish that I could just wish my feelings away...but I can't.  Wishful wishing can only lead to wishes wished for in futile wishfulness, which is not what I wish to wish for. 

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I had no problem with Palpatine being evil, but him coming across as just another dogmatic Sith part of a long tradition instead of a cunning self-taught opportunist who just took advantage of an already bad situation weakened the character.  

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I'm pretty sure the slave owning southern elite sending young men fighting to the bloody death to defend their right to hold a human being as property are the bad guys of the American Civil War, and not simply guys with "a different point of view."

I liked the direction Lucas was going with the "point of view" angle regarding the Sith in the prequels, but the problem is that it doesn't work, and could never work. The OT is a classic good versus evil story full of moral absolutism, and however the Sith were portrayed in the prequels, in the end The Emperor/Empire is not much more than a typical Evil Organziation that you find in many sci-fi/fantasy works. They want power, and they don't mind doing bad things to get it. Plus they may do bad things for little practical purpose.

The Secret History of Star Wars -- now available on Amazon.com!

"When George went back and put new creatures into the original Star Wars, I find that disturbing. It’s a revision of history. That bothers me."

--James Cameron, Entertainment Weekly, April 2010

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zombie84 said:

I'm pretty sure the slave owning southern elite sending young men fighting to the bloody death to defend their right to hold a human being as property are the bad guys of the American Civil War, and not simply guys with "a different point of view."

To be fair, that's not exactly what the war was about- that's more of a retroactive Northern interpretation that doesn't take into account state's rights and the fact that the original colonies never would have joined the Union in the first place if they could be forced to remain in the Union involuntarily.  Slavery is indefensible but if it really were a war about slavery then what about the New York City Draft riots?  What about Delaware, Maryland, and Kentucky?  Those look like northern slave states to me.  So you see it wasn't so tidy like that.

Not to get us off topic:)

I wish that I could just wish my feelings away...but I can't.  Wishful wishing can only lead to wishes wished for in futile wishfulness, which is not what I wish to wish for. 

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Sure, but I don't think you can say it was just a matter of point of view when slavery was a fundamental element in it all. I realize the matter is much more complex than that--I'm remembering a Simpsons episode where Apu starts getting into the issues behind the war and the bored citizenship examiners cuts him off and says "just say slavery." Anyway: both the ficticious Star Wars war and the real-life American war had their share of clear bad guys that are behind some of the main causes. The prequels try to at first paint it as point of view, but in the end it doesn't turn out to be the case.

Anyway though, your point about the PT/OT thing is spot on, the OT was designed as a classic moral absolutism tale--good vs evil--and the prequels, to give them credit are pretty clever deconstructions of that, which would be fine if they are sequels, but if they are supposedly meant to be watched first or at least chronoligically come first then that doesn't really mesh well/

The Secret History of Star Wars -- now available on Amazon.com!

"When George went back and put new creatures into the original Star Wars, I find that disturbing. It’s a revision of history. That bothers me."

--James Cameron, Entertainment Weekly, April 2010

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The only Star Trek I saw much of while growing up was Next Generation and Deep Space Nine. Both were beyond dull. Characters so bland and dialog so stiff I've always wondered what attracts anybody to the franchise. I saw the Original Motion Picture when I was about 10 and it was the first time I saw a film in which the special effects shots were what bored me out of the film. Shots of the Enterprise floating through space at a snails pace and seemed to last hours. Recently I've checked out the original series and found it much better. Very groovy and full of retro cool. I'm actually kinda excited to check out more!

So, for me, Star Wars is better because of the 'real' and interesting characters and effects that dazzle rather than bore. Also a story and characters that are identifiable and exciting are much better than a story and characters that are unrelateable and dull.

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