logo Sign In

To owners of Dolby Pro Logic amplifiers: help needed!

Author
Time
 (Edited)

I'm working on an hardware decoder capture solution about Dolby Surround encoded stereo tracks; I need someone who owns a Dolby Pro Logic compatible amplifiers that would help testing few files; they are the untouched stereo DS encoded track, plus five different surround recreation files - between them, there is my solution.

So, what I need is a comparative test between the original track, decoded by your hardware Dolby Pro Logic (not II) and the others (endoded in Dolby Digital); at the end, I would like to know which (if any) is the most similar to, or even better than, the DPL decoded track.

Original track is from analog laserdisc, and includes DTS and THX logo - 44s

Tracks included: original.wav, 1.ac3, 2.ac3, 3.ac3, 4.ac3, 5.ac3 - avoided to name them after the surround plugin used, to have a blind test.

link: https://www.sendspace.com/file/4lx4yv

Thanks in advance for your help!

Sadly my projects are lost due to an HDD crash… 😦 | [Fundamental Collection] thread | blog.spoRv.com | fan preservation forum: fanres.com

Author
Time

Alas, I used to have a set up to do this, and I still have it, but unfortunately I've converted my set up to be music only and have thus changed the surround speakers into being cabinet speakers that are simply a little smaller than the front speakers, then moved them to be on the wall above the front speakers (giving literal meaning to the term, "Wall of Sound" hehe)

I don't know if this will help you or not, but do you have the video editing program "Womble"?  Because if you do, you can drag your 2.0 DPL2 track onto your timeline and export it, and under your export options if you select a 5.1 ac3 as your output file it will do a PLII upmix for you and then your file will be like it would have been if played on the right hardware.

If you like I'd be willing to do that for you.

Author
Time
 (Edited)

I'd like to get some feedbacks on the difference between the stereo track, listened with a Dolby Pro Logic hardware decoder, and the other encoded tracks, obtained in different manners - 4 are upmixed using Foobar2000 and different plugins, 1 is captured from L, C, R, S outputs of a Pro Logic decoder, then surround is "steroized" using Audacity Pseudo-Stereo plugin, then an LFE is obtained with a low pass of the previous 5 channels, where those are then high passed.

So, a listening test with your setup will be greatly appreciated!

Back to Womble: AFAIK, no software could exactly decode (better, process) a Dolby Surround encoded stereo track, at least not so well as hardware decoder, in particular vintage ones, but this will lead to an entirely new discussion... (^^,) - that I will be happy to partecipate, but with not enough knowledge to start!

EDIT: ...but if you would like to do a conversion using Wooble and the original stereo track, I'm curious to see if the result is similar to the one I reached using hardware!

Sadly my projects are lost due to an HDD crash… 😦 | [Fundamental Collection] thread | blog.spoRv.com | fan preservation forum: fanres.com

Author
Time

Yes but you see the problem with my setup is that it's not set up as surround, it's set up as just massive stereo.  (the surround speakers are set up ABOVE the front speakers, as opposed to being spread behind the listener, because I only use this setup for music these days)

Author
Time

Even if it has not the "correct" placement, you could always do a listening test... what I need is not (only) the channel placements, but overall quality - e.g. if one (or more) of the encoded ac3 files sounds "right" - equal or better than the stereo wav.

Sadly my projects are lost due to an HDD crash… 😦 | [Fundamental Collection] thread | blog.spoRv.com | fan preservation forum: fanres.com

Author
Time

Well send it to me and I'll let you know! :P

Author
Time

Thanks! Link is in the first post.

Sadly my projects are lost due to an HDD crash… 😦 | [Fundamental Collection] thread | blog.spoRv.com | fan preservation forum: fanres.com

Author
Time

I've been busy and haven't had time to listen to the examples, but in my experience there isn't really anything out there that's better than Dolby Prologic II.  To me it strikes the ideal balance between channel separation and overall sound field stability.  Other processes either have too much crosstalk between channels, or sacrifice stability and let sounds move around between speakers too much when they shouldn't, which sounds strange and can create distortion in some cases.

I've never been able to detect any difference between the results of hardware decoding as opposed to software.  Jim Fosgate's original design was an entirely analog process, but Dolby has only ever released Prologic II in digital form, for after licensing the design they analyzed it via computer and came up with an exacting digital representation of the circuit behavior.  Hardware decoder chips and software program versions are running the exact same algorithm, and will therefore come up with identical results.

As the name indicates, Movie mode is ideal for playback of most film soundtracks, especially those that are Dolby Surround encoded.  The dialog is concentrated in the center channel, and the surround effects are sufficiently diverted to the rear speakers to provide a convincing representation of their intended placement.  Music mode is ideal for any 2-channel soundtrack, music or film, that is in regular stereo does not have Dolby Surround encoding, since it focuses centrally-panned sounds less into the center speaker and uses the left and right to a greater extent, and uses the surrounds more for low level ambience than for panning purposes as in Movie mode.

Author
Time

You mom has been busy taking care of all of us.

Team Olie

Author
Time

hairy_hen, thanks for the explanation, you are always really helpful.

I would like to know what do you think of non-Dolby matrix surround "extraction" (process, decoding) techniques, like Shure Acra Vector, Fosgate 6-axis and so on...

Reading here and there, it seems they are very good, even better than Dolby Pro Logic, apart DTS Neo 6 and CircleSurround, which are not so good - or plainly "wrong"...

Sadly my projects are lost due to an HDD crash… 😦 | [Fundamental Collection] thread | blog.spoRv.com | fan preservation forum: fanres.com