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We are at the point in SW history that the OOT will be doomed forever onto laserdisc quality for decades to come. THis could mean that Lucas has won the war against the originals and has done what no person has ever been able to do since the dawn of time: erase history. The hopes of having star wars on DVD is a dead dream, same as the destruction of Alderan, and the hope of SW being released in a non-SE version in HD/BD is DOA. We need to start leaving the message boards and protest in public of this outrageous and despicable act. We need to contact every filmmaker right now and pull them to the plight of the destruction of part of film history. If there can be the preservation of hsitoric buildings, we can save the OOT if we notify every corner of the media, notify Criterion to the struggle, and raise the money to buy the original prints from Lucasfilm itself, even if it is the 1993 master. For me, there is no replacement for the OOT, and I would rather kill myself than see a world where the SE is the only available version of SW. Am I just an idealist, or should we patiently wait for a day that could never come. We need the leader of this website to raise the money to buy the OOT from Lucas himself, because he does not want those versions at all. This is our only chance.
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You know, I've pondered this myself - what if someone were to buy the rights to publish the OOT from Lucas? Or go to a small company to have them remaster it?
I'd donate whatever small amount of money I'd have the chance to.

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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It's only gonna happen if Lucasfilm wants it to. It's completely in his court. The only bright spot is that "Star Wars- Now on BluRay!" or whatever would sell better with them than without them, since they've been so hard to come by the last ten years, (while the earth is totally saturated with the new versions).
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Yeah, but Lucas is going to be obstinate about never releasing the OOT, he's already just destroyed them and doesn't want it to be revived
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It all boils down to "Will Lucas's hatred for the OOT outweigh his love of making money."
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YES, it is absolutely hopeless. Hopeless. HOPELESS.
Makes you want to not go on living
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Originally posted by: generalfrevious

Makes you want to not go on living


Well....I wouldn't go that far.

GL hasn't destroyed the OOT (he's known for being compulsive about keeping every scrap of film).

I don't think writing letters at this point will do any good. Besides, last year we set up a thread to orgainize a write-in to one news organization a week, and only about 5 people on this board participated.

If GL decides to release the OOT, it will be sometime in the future, and will probably be bundled with the SEs on HD-DVD or blu-ray. Hopefully, Guy Caballero is right, and he'll release the OOT as an incentive for buying the HD-discs because the market has been so over-saturated with variations of the SEs for the last 10 years (including the SEs in hi-def on TV).

Stay positive.

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Originally posted by: Sluggo
It all boils down to "Will Lucas's hatred for the OOT outweigh his love of making money."

Oh I'm sure it won't; Luca$ has proven so many times that he will swallow his words, deny them, etc., for the mighty dollar.

I wouldn't call the situation hopeless at all. A few years ago we heard how many people say, "The OOT will never be on DVD" yet here it is. Yes it was a crappy transfer, etc., but the point is that it WAS released, which shows there is probably even more hope now than ever before. Times change and people change as they age, and you don't know what Luca$ has up his sleeve, who he has around him now and in the future and what they may be telling him (and what they may convince him to do), etc. No matter how you slice it the cash cow is quickly dying and Luca$ needs to come up with new sources of revenue now more than ever. There are no more movies to hype, no more people waiting for the next three years...the well is now to a mere trickle. Luca$ has recycled and updated the SEs so many times now and the PT following isn't anywhere near as close to what I'm positive he thought it would be, so what would the easiest way to make money from here on out be? The OOT! The original fans will always want it, and there is now new generations out there who want it because it is new to them...

Hang in there, I'm sure it is coming...


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We all hope so.

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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I would not call the situation hopeless. The OOT, or at least Star Wars, will be released at some point in better quality--simply because the world will not let it. The world won't forget it and it will keep lobbying to get it--just like if the original version of King Kong was unavailable. And, as was pointed out, it would be a fantastic business move as buying power. I think as more time goes on Lucasfilm decison-makers will be realising that more and more people will buy and want to buy the OOT than they thought, or that Lucas tells them he thinks, and will be realising more and more that not releasing it will be shooting themselves in the foot from the standpoint of PR, business and reputation. The only question right now is how long will it take for this to happen and how good will the quality be; some people could swallow purchasing a Laserdisk master in 2006, but by the 2010's standard-def--and sub-par standard-def for that matter--will no longer be the common format, and so an HD-version of it would be needed to sell, which would necessitate some kind of newer telecine.
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Technically none of the six films are on dvd in their original theatrical forms, not counting the GOUT of course which is a laserdisc dump. If GL's going to continue being bias towards the prequels, he should do at minimum a 12-disc set, two discs per movie, one the original release and the other the latest release. That way he could at least try to improve the prequels many consider inferior while also being fair and balanced by including their original versions, something I'll admit would be nice since those star wars flicks I actually did get to see in their original theatrical runs. Since I didn't get to see the OT in its original run, a remastered OOT would also be nice. GL can tinker with the 1997 versions even more for those people who will apparently always be happy with whatever he puts out.
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Some time ago I projected Lucasfilm's annual tentpole releases for the foreseeable future. Keep in mind this is only my guesstimation, and it's worth exactly what you paid for it. There's going to be the TV shows, the DVDs of the TV shows, the 3D movies (have they been officially canceled yet?), and the HD release of the SE-PT/S-SE-OT. Assuming the TV shows last long enough to be sold into syndication, and there is one 3D movie per year once those get going--and assuming only one of these major releases debuts per year--Lucasfilm has enough material in the wings to keep the cash flowing until ~2015. Once the TV/SE-PT/S-SE-OT well runs dry, he may go back to the OOT, or he may just release new and slightly different variants of the TV/SE-PT/S-SE-OT material for the next few years (like he did with the SE from 1997-2003, and the S-SE almost every year thereafter).

By about 2020, we can hope that the Star Wars Trilogy is finally available in at least DVD quality, maybe HD. Then we can start working on the Holiday

General Frevious, it seems you are planning to conduct a suicide protest. ("Protest in public ... rather kill myself.") I never really got the point of those. If you're going to defy all social norms and forfeit your own life for a cause, wouldn't it make more sense to break in to Skywalker Ranch, ninja-style, and try to abscond with the separation masters of the OOT? They're probably pretty heavy, so you'll have to make multiple trips. Watch out for Lucas's kid, he's a Jedi, you know.

Possible new acronym: Special Edition Prequels and Special Edition (Special): SEPSES. Not very good, but I think the septic theme works.
"It's the stoned movie you don't have to be stoned for." -- Tom Shales on Star Wars
Scruffy's gonna die the way he lived.
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It all boils down to "Will Lucas's hatred for the OOT outweigh his love of making money."


I like that so much.........

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I wasn't planning for a suicide protest, but I don't know if I have the patience to wait 15 years to watch the OOT again
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Guys, Lucas owns the movies outright, and there is nothing we can do. Lucas purposely did this so no one can film more movies, or taint the movies from what he wants them to be, and if you think about it, you gotta respect him for that. He essentially saying now here is the saga as I see it, and if anyone is going to get the glory or the crap from the fanbase it stops with me.

I still think somewhere down the road, via DVD or HDDVD, we will see the OOT fully remastered, as I am just going by my gut. But I am done waiting....hoping.....wanting that announcement to come. We tried with emails last year to voice our displeasure, the DVD's didn't sell as well, and there is no change, so Lucas is going to do what he wants, and sadly all we can do is wait. I say, find a way to enjoy the movies, whether it be SE or OOT, you will go crazy waiting for something that may not happen for awhile or ever.
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I agree with CO, while we can hope for more we should make the best of what we have now. (Also, let's not let George trick us into wasting money we wouldn't otherwise choose to waste.)

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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I'm taking the GOUT as soon as I can find it and live with it, it's the only thing that will keep me stable during the long winter....
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Originally posted by:generalfreviousI'm taking the GOUT as soon as I can find it and live with it, it's the only thing that will keep me stable during the long winter....



Here is the key, DO NOT watch the SE discs. Not because of the SE crap Lucas put in, but because once you see the quality of the SE transfers, you will be pissed at how great the OOT could look fully remastered. Just watch the OOT, and that way you only have one frame of reference of watching a SW movie, the GOUT. I always say that a person is always satisfied until they see something better, so if you just see the GOUT, that will be the best quality you see at this point.
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Originally posted by: CO
Here is the key, DO NOT watch the SE discs. Not because of the SE crap Lucas put in, but because once you see the quality of the SE transfers, you will be pissed at how great the OOT could look fully remastered. Just watch the OOT....

Good advice. That's exactly what I do now.

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Well, there's my non-anamorphic dvd of Oklahoma! mastered by THX from the 30 frame-per-second Todd-AO version. That looks pretty bad.

As an aside, I spotted Fox's latest reissue of The Abyss dvd in the store the other day. They spruced it up with a lenticular cover, but did they remaster it this time? On the back cover it says widescreen and in that same box but with smaller lettering "anamorphic 2.35:1." According to reports it's still the same old 4:3 letterbox transfer for the umpteenth time. The rumor is that they're not bothering to remaster it for dvd because they're waiting to put it out on blu-ray.
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OK, I have another problem, in case you didn't know: I have a widescreen TV. Is there any hope in enjoying the GOUT there? I doubt it
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Originally posted by: Sluggo
It all boils down to "Will Lucas's hatred for the OOT outweigh his love of making money."


Will it now? I hope that we can all contribue in some way. Hope spring eternal.

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death

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Originally posted by: ESHBG
Originally posted by: Sluggo
It all boils down to "Will Lucas's hatred for the OOT outweigh his love of making money."

Oh I'm sure it won't; Luca$ has proven so many times that he will swallow his words, deny them, etc., for the mighty dollar.

I wouldn't call the situation hopeless at all. A few years ago we heard how many people say, "The OOT will never be on DVD" yet here it is. Yes it was a crappy transfer, etc., but the point is that it WAS released, which shows there is probably even more hope now than ever before. Times change and people change as they age, and you don't know what Luca$ has up his sleeve, who he has around him now and in the future and what they may be telling him (and what they may convince him to do), etc. No matter how you slice it the cash cow is quickly dying and Luca$ needs to come up with new sources of revenue now more than ever. There are no more movies to hype, no more people waiting for the next three years...the well is now to a mere trickle. Luca$ has recycled and updated the SEs so many times now and the PT following isn't anywhere near as close to what I'm positive he thought it would be, so what would the easiest way to make money from here on out be? The OOT! The original fans will always want it, and there is now new generations out there who want it because it is new to them...

Hang in there, I'm sure it is coming...


I needed that. I just hope to god that you're right.

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death