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Time to accept what we are given and be grateful?

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Whilst not being anamorphic and losing 30% of image resolution because of it, perhaps it's time to just accept that this is the best we are going to get and live with it?

Discuss.
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Personally, I think it is about Lucas be greatful for what we have given him over the years and stop playing God!
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The Kubler-Ross Grief Cycle

Shock

"WTF?!"

Denial

"There's no way Lucasfilm would do this. Let's wait for official confirmation, or at least Darth First."

Anger

"There's no way I'm buying this piece of trash!"

Bargaining

"Maybe if we write enough letters and buy enough copies of the O-OT we can get a real DVD transfer in the future."

Depression

"I'm done with Star Wars forever."

Testing

"You know, I watched a non-anamorphic DVD and it didn't look that bad."

Acceptance

"It's time we just take what we're offered."

It looks like OT.com is rapidly advancing towards the acceptance stage. HTF.com is still between Bargaining and Depression. As for myself, I am comfortably seated in anger. You may address me as Dark Lord of the Sith Scruffy if it pleases you.
"It's the stoned movie you don't have to be stoned for." -- Tom Shales on Star Wars
Scruffy's gonna die the way he lived.
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Yeah, I've noticed these stages, too. Not sure where I sit at the moment.
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I'm still in shock
Fez: I am so excited about Star Whores.
Hyde: Fezzy, man, it's Star Wars.
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yeah i just went strait to acceptance
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Yeah but, a year from now everything will be HD anyway. Bluray/HD-DVD etc. Surely the fight will then be to get the OT on an HD medium?
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I'm still in the testing phase. I transgressed there this afternoon.


We can accept what we are being offered now, but that doesn't mean that we have to be grateful.

"Here is your cake, and your complimentary kick to the ass." Oh, thank you so much.
"I am altering the movies. Pray I don't alter them any further." -Darth Lucas
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Originally posted by: Jobel
Time to accept what we are given and be grateful?


No.

I might accept it's all we'll ever get, but I'll never be grateful for it.

Glad I still have my THX LDs, and I can't wait to see the results of the X0 Project.
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Scruffy, please allow me to augment your post. I couldn't resist.

The Kubler-Ross Grief Cycle

Shock
"WtF!?!?!"

Denial
"wtF???"

Anger
"WTF!!!"

Bargaining
"Wtf?"

Depression
"wtf."

Testing
"wtf?"

Acceptance
"Eh, wtf."
I am fluent in over six million forms of procrastination.
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I see it more as gutteral noises:

The Kubler-Ross Grief Cycle

Shock
"Whahhhhhhh?!!"

Denial
"Nuh-uh!" *snap snap*

Anger
"Grrrraughhhh!!!"

Bargaining
"Uhh...Ah ha! Eh? Hummf."

Depression
"Wahhhh!!!!!"

Testing
"Hmmmm..."

Acceptance
"Eh, pfff."
"I am altering the movies. Pray I don't alter them any further." -Darth Lucas
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Originally posted by: Jay

Glad I still have my THX LDs, and I can't wait to see the results of the X0 Project.

Jay, your response inspired my latest thought on the issue of owning the LDs and what rights they protect. I made the response in "The Official Lucasfilm Response" thread to Harlock, but it came right after reading your statement here.

For me, with no official O-OT source, the DVD is probably the best legal protection I'll have on owning the X0 project. For you, you've already got the LD, so owning the DVD would be completely redundant since they've done nothing to enhance the picture or sound. (In fact, they've compressed both.)

I've really gotten my brain working overtime on the issue. Today would be a good day to have gone into law.
I am fluent in over six million forms of procrastination.
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Best case: This release is a bit better than the Definitive Edition LD rips we have here. Therefore it will be "the best we can get" (until XO finishes up their cleanup)
Worse case: It will be a cheaply done LD rip. As said before, some of the worst DVDs around (especially back when DVD first came out) are LD rips. Most of the fan-done preservations will look/sound better.
As for being grateful, no. They could of done so much better, and are treating this like an afterthought. They chose the quick and easy path, and we all know where Yoda said that leads...
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Why should I be grateful for something I didn't want?

Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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Originally posted by: Jobel
Yeah but, a year from now everything will be HD anyway. Bluray/HD-DVD etc.

I call shenanigans. HD-DVD isnt' exactly the hottest new product on the market, and Blu-Ray -- when/if it is ever launched -- probably won't fare any better. Maybe the PS3 will encourage people to start picking up HD discs, but HD sets will still be fairly uncommon. A year from now everything will be SD DVD, and a few things will be HD. It will be years before HD reaches the same level of penetration that DVD has. (And the MPAA is doing everything it can to stifle consumer acceptance of the format, but that's another matter.)

Surely the fight will then be to get the OT on an HD medium?


Before we get it on the high quality medium, we need a high quality digital master. That's what some of us have been trying to get now, so Lucas can recoup the cost of the transfer over both the DVD and HD releases. The longer Lucas waits to do the transfer, the fewer opportunities he has to sell it, and the less attractive it becomes. And there may well be proportionately (or absolutely) fewer O-OT fans agitating for it. You've gotta strike while the iron is hot.

I remember years ago everyone assumed that Lucas would very soon now release a DVD set with both the O-OT and the SE-OT. Then when he said there'd be no release until the prequels were done, we all thought there'd be an archival/ultimate/whatever boxed set in 2006 with the O-OT and SE-OT ... look where that assumption got us. I'm no longer going to make assumptions of George Lucas's beneficence or wisdom, and I'm not content to wait for the next format to become entrenched or for the next popular uprising. It's been eleven years since the last release, have it not? Do you want to wait another eleven? That'll put us right on an anniversary, so it might pay off ... but if it doesn't, buy another decade's worth of calendars and start crossing off the days.
"It's the stoned movie you don't have to be stoned for." -- Tom Shales on Star Wars
Scruffy's gonna die the way he lived.
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I'm thankful that we're finally getting an official OOT on DVD instead of bootlegs, and thats the bottom line here folks. I just wish we could buy it without the SE versions.
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I changed my stance offically last night, when I popped in a bunch of non-anamorphic DVD's on my HDTV that I have had since I got my DVD player. I never thought to ever watch non-anamorphic DVD's since the first day I bought the TV, cause I assumed it was shit. And you what, it is inferior, but not nearly as much as I thought. I and many others here assume non-anamorphic is shit, and I will say from viewing non-anamorphic DVD's on my 50" HD Widescreen TV, they are far from shit. And my conclusion is, that they will be way better than our bootlegs, infact way better.

Is it still insulting, your damn right it is, and I think we keep fighting and putting pressure on Lucas til September 12th. But when it is all said and done, I think we should buy it. As I said, this will be the best version of the O-OT any of us will have in the present day, I am going to go out on a limb and say Anamorphic is better, but I think for alot of olders movies, it isn't that much of a difference where it is jarring.

Lucas has us by the balls, if we boycott, he says, "See I told everyone nobody wants this set of my original vision." and he still makes money cause someone is going to buy it, and the O-OT dies in the wind. But if we step up, and kind of take our medicine, then it will show Lucas there is a demand, and if he knows he can make money in the future, HD-DVD of the O-OT is an almost certainty.

Guys I look at this fight in the bigger picture, if Lucas begins to release these versions because of heavy demand in the future, then the next generation will have that choice, and that is what Lucas has always been against. To him it was his way or no way, but this is the first time he is kinda going by what the consumer wants. So this is almost like fighting for the next generation of fans that should see Han shoot first.

I honestly think that Lucas really believes nobody wants this, and that is why they are not taking any time to really do this right. I actually believe him now when he said a couple of weeks ago, "It will all come out in the end." I think we have to buy this set, to show the man that his original vision is the one we love.

Either way he is making money, so I don't even think about that anymore. Why not in the process of him raping us atleast show him a huge demand for these movies, and still be able to enjoy the 3 movies in the best quality we will have via 2006.

It ain't perfect guys, but I still believe this is a huge step, he had to eat crow and recognize these versions, that was half the battle. Now lets make him realize we will spend just as much as the SE crowd will in the future.

As Princess Leia says in Star Wars, "It aint over yet!"
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I'm torn. A Laserdisk master to DVD is so incredibly cheap! There's no reason for this! I was already suckered into buying the Hayden Christenson versions of the original trilogy....

I guess I'll want these anyways, since they'll be superior to my 1995 VHS copies, but George Lucas has finally ripped my heart out. Any enthusiasm I once had for his creations has now been totally rejected by him, and to make it all worse he now openly mocks me for my affection and exploits it in the sickest way possible for money. If he hates me that much than so be it. I'll take what I can get. Hatred from George is better than nothing. I'll pay money for it. The bastard.

My only remaining hope is that these far outsell the 2004 release. That will send a message...maybe.



(Edit: changed "2005 VHS" to "1995 VHS".)

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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I just will not be able to pass up the offer of the OOT on legtimate DVD.

However, I am trying (along with all of you here) to contact them about it and try to get them to make it at least anamorphic.
In the end, I still plan to buy them.

It's the OOT on DVD.

(Correct me if I'm wrong, but can a widescreen TV zoom in enough so there's no black bars on the sides? Or only to a point?)

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.

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Originally posted by: Jobel
Whilst not being anamorphic and losing 30% of image resolution because of it, perhaps it's time to just accept that this is the best we are going to get and live with it?

Discuss.


It´s not only the loss of resolution, it´s the fact that the transfer was done with obsolete equiment. Film scanners nowadays are much better, and yield much higher resolution, better contrast and colour reproduction. And, the fact that we PAL users most probably will get an upscaled NTSC master makes it an absolute no-nuyer for me. A big shame on the leading innovators of home video technology.
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Originally posted by: Hal 9000
(Correct me if I'm wrong, but can a widescreen TV zoom in enough so there's no black bars on the sides?) Yes, the aspect ratio and size of the image will be exactly the same as if it were an anamorphic disc.Originally posted by: Vigo
...the fact that we PAL users most probably will get an upscaled NTSC master makes it an absolute no-nuyer for me.
I'm pretty sure they'll use the PAL masters used for the PAL THX WS LDs released in Europe.
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Thanks, THX. We were toying with the idea of buying a widescreen set for the living room.

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.

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There is no reason to be grateful for anything. They are putting out a product. As consumers, we are being asked to purchase this product. Now it's our turn to see if what they put out is worth our money. If it's given to us as a gift, then yes, be grateful to the person that gave it to you. But when you purchase a product, they expect to be compensated. Grateful doesn't factor in at all.

Neil

Well at least the reversed surround channels have been addressed.

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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
There is no reason to be grateful for anything. They are putting out a product. As consumers, we are being asked to purchase this product. Now it's our turn to see if what they put out is worth our money. If it's given to us as a gift, then yes, be grateful to the person that gave it to you. But when you purchase a product, they expect to be compensated. Grateful doesn't factor in at all.

Neil


Being a dirty little pinko Marxist like I am, I fully agree with Neil on this one. I might love Star Wars, but until they start sending me my stuff for free, I'm not going to kiss anyone's ass for selling me something.

Sometimes I'm amazed at the effectiveness that the corporate money machine in this country has had in convincing the public that we're all being done a favor when they decide to grace us with some new product for us to spend our money on.
For as much as some people claim to hate what Star Wars has become, they sure seem incapable of shutting up about it.
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I don't agree with the title of this thread, but I do think the official release is worth what I am paying for it ($37 inc. tax & shipping at FYE.com).