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Originally posted by: OmegaSeamaster

4. People can fight on floating metal in the middle of a molten lava river and not die from massive heat? C'mon!


Yes, that one bugged the crap out of me too, until upon re-watching I realized there were force-fields of some sort under the floaty panle and under the droid thingie- the same force-fields that Obi and Annie disrupted while battling up on the platforms which let the lava in. Doesn't mean I liked the scene any better though. Even with shielding they should both have had the hair being burnt off of them. I've been within five feet of molten lava in Hawaii... and that stuff is hot hot hot!

I agree with your other points as well.
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Oh...I forgot to mention that Lucas totally copped out when he chose to have Padme die of a "broken heart" instead of from being force choked.

We're told that she's lost the will to live, yet she says, "There's still good in him!" right before her last gasp.

If she still feels that he can be redeemed, why does she give up hope and die? Kind of silly if you ask me.

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Here's a couple of things I didn't like:

1. The ease at which the jedi were killed. You expect me to believe that mere clone troopers could assassinate powerful Jedi Knights and Jedi Masters? If clones were going to assassinate the jedis, they should have atleast depicted the jedis taking dozens of clones with them, they didn't. Those two clones who actually thought they could assassinate Yoda must be the two stupidest people in clone army!! Yoda is the most powerful jedi on the council what chance do two clones have against him, and did they they think that the Wookies standing beside him would just stand their and watch? That is not the way a professional hit is done. Also I thought it was Vader who "Murdered the Jedi" EPIII just has him kill the younglings.

2. The guy they put in the Vader suit was not the right size. They either should have had Prowse do it or some one who has the same dimensions as Prowse. Whoever was in the costume just didn't look right.

3. Did anyone else want to shout out to Anakin "It's A f***ing dream you moron! a f***ing dream!!! you have no way of knowing that Padme is going die during child birth!!
You're going to kill jedi, betray Obiwan and turn to the darkside all because of a dream that you have no way of knowing wheither or not it will turn out to be true!!!??!!" ? Does
anyone else question the intelligence of Anakin?

4. Here somthing that wasn't explained, Why did they wait so long to be begin Luke's training? According to the PT, people train to be jedi from the time that they are little children. Words by Yoda in Empire "He too old to begin the training" seem to back this up. So why didn't Yoda take Luke with him to Dagobah and starting him a the normal
age they start traing jedi? Either that or why didn't Yoda tell Obiwan to bring Luke to Dagobah when Luke became the right age instead of waiting until Luke was "too old to
begin the training"?



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Because his uncle wouldnt allow it for one thing. The whole "Damn fool idealistic crusade" thing.

But that doesnt Excuse the BS of the PT!!!! Not by a bleeding longshot!!!!

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Fine, mister Lucas, while you're at it why dont you replace Lando with will smith?
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Originally posted by: Warbler
Here's a couple of things I didn't like:

1. The ease at which the jedi were killed. You expect me to believe that mere clone troopers could assassinate powerful Jedi Knights and Jedi Masters? If clones were going to assassinate the jedis, they should have atleast depicted the jedis taking dozens of clones with them, they didn't. Those two clones who actually thought they could assassinate Yoda must be the two stupidest people in clone army!! Yoda is the most powerful jedi on the council what chance do two clones have against him, and did they they think that the Wookies standing beside him would just stand their and watch? That is not the way a professional hit is done.


This really bothered me, too. Especially the woman Jedi who's moving along with two Clone Troopers on her speeder bike, looking around cluelessly and not noticing that they've dropped behind her to fire on her! Gimme a break, they're supposed to be Jedi at the peak of their abilities for chrisakes, not OT stormtroopers!! Reading the screenplay just confirms that George didn't even bother to think about this ("Ka-ati-mundi is gunned down before he can defend himself"....a Jedi master? yeah, right!). I just grew up thinking of the Jedi as so awesome and powerful, and it turns out that not only were they completely and utterly duped by a Sith Lord for 20+ years, but they can't even defend themselves from a platoon of clone troopers! This has already been mentioned, but on a related note it's ridiculous that Palpatine can kill 3 Jedi masters in less than 5 seconds. You even see him preparing to run the first one through with his saber, and the guy just takes it in the chest, groans, and falls to the floor. Pathetic!

Luke: "Is the Dark Side stronger?"
Yoda: "No, quicker, easier, more seductive.....and wipe out 3 Jedi masters in 5 seconds flat without breaking a sweat they can...oh crap, perhaps stronger they are after all..."
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I think that Guiness's performance was just nuanced enough that you can read familiarity with the droids into it. Really, in Episodes 2 and 3 he wasn't around Threepio all that much.. .and stuff.


Not to mention there's like 3 billion other identical looking protocol droids in the Star Wars universe.

I agree with lots of stuff in this thread but I still loved the movie.

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Because his uncle wouldnt allow it for one thing. The whole "Damn fool idealistic crusade" thing.

But that doesnt Excuse the BS of the PT!!!! Not by a bleeding longshot!!!!

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The BS of the PT!!!!

Care to explain why the PT is BS???

For my money, Sith is up there with Empire as a great Star Wars film. It's back to basics SW. A great fucking Star Wars film.
Of course this is my opinion


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Because his uncle wouldnt allow it for one thing. The whole "Damn fool idealistic crusade" thing.

But that doesnt Excuse the BS of the PT!!!! Not by a bleeding longshot!!!!

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For my money, Sith is up there with Empire as a great Star Wars film. It's back to basics SW. A great fucking Star Wars film.
Of course this is my opinion



Then you are a whore for overwhelming CGI and bad acting and are not a true SW fan.

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Fine, mister Lucas, while you're at it why dont you replace Lando with will smith?
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well, i would like to start off by anouncing this is my first post, i respect what all you guys are doing with the original presorvations and the fan edits.

anyhow, along with most of the complants already mentioned .... I really disliked all the different transitions and wipes... it remined me of a powerpoint on random and made it hard to pay attention to the movie.

i was really disapointed that the Falcon didn't make any apperances. i was looking for it in all the PT movies....

most of all, i agree that GL should have not directed the movies i think someone else could have focused more on the story and less on the "1's and 0's"....
Stan: "hey... you guys all ok?"
Kyle: "Yea, i think so."
Cartman: "Man, that new version must have sucked balls."
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Because his uncle wouldnt allow it for one thing. The whole "Damn fool idealistic crusade" thing.

But that doesnt Excuse the BS of the PT!!!! Not by a bleeding longshot!!!!

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For my money, Sith is up there with Empire as a great Star Wars film. It's back to basics SW. A great fucking Star Wars film.
Of course this is my opinion



Then you are a whore for overwhelming CGI and bad acting and are not a true SW fan.

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and your just a whore. if you didnt like the PT and are just going to insult all the people that did you should just stop posting right now. you not helping anything with your half assed posts. you not furthering an discussion, and just wasting time.
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well, i would like to start off by anouncing this is my first post, i respect what all you guys are doing with the original presorvations and the fan edits.

anyhow, along with most of the complants already mentioned .... I really disliked all the different transitions and wipes... it remined me of a powerpoint on random and made it hard to pay attention to the movie.

i was really disapointed that the Falcon didn't make any apperances. i was looking for it in all the PT movies....

most of all, i agree that GL should have not directed the movies i think someone else could have focused more on the story and less on the "1's and 0's"....


the falcon was in ep 3 you see it docking in one of the scenes. BTW welcome to the forums and dont let the end of the thread be an idicator to what the site is like. i dont like Trolls that mock the PT for no other reason then they didnt like it, so i tend to insult them when the insult others.
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Hang about:

I have some questions and could the eminenly wise person a few posts above mine please answer?
1. What is a true Star Wars fan, exactly?
2. How does liking Ep1, 2 or 3 for that matter make them NOT a true fan?
3. Is it fair to be such a damned Nazi towards them, just because they happen to like a movie?

Now be honest, if someone walks up to me and says "Pearl Harbour was great", I kick the bastard. But come on, sucky as Star Wars can be, it isn't deserving of that kind of vitriole. I don't think I've seen a single thread called "Things you LIKED about Episode III". It's all full of people so preoccupied with trying to promote their image as tasteful folk who know something about movies (it ain't fooling anyone) that they really can't see past their own pimply noses and say 'well screw it, it wasn't THAT bad'. (Seriously, you want a bad film, go rent "Gladiator" or "Double Team").
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Originally posted by: Zebonka
I don't think I've seen a single thread called "Things you LIKED about Episode III".


LOL... uh, well, there actually IS one:

Things you DID like about Episode III

Its just kinda buried back there...
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Okay, a short list of my problems with Sith, mostly comprised of continuity errors:

Qui-Gon Jedi Spirit Training: Can not happen. For the simple reason that at the end of Jedi, Anakin's spirit shows up with Obi and Yoda. Vader certainly didn't get this special training from the Q man, therefore it contradicts the films.

Padme Dies of a broken Heart: Just lame. I would have bought complications in child birth, internal bleeding, trauma from the force chocking, hell, even smoke inhilation, but lossing the will to live when she now has 2 children? total bull.

Padme dies during childbirth: A repeat? Nope, a continuity error now. Padme can't die during childbirth. Liea tells Luke that her real mother died when she was very young, and she can only really remember images and feelings. to be really generous, Padme could die, at the earliest, when Luke and Leia were roughly2, but more likely 3. And don't use the force as an excuse, that's just weak.

Obi-Wan is there for the birth: Another continuity error. Obi-Wan doesn't know about Leia, only Luke. In Empire he is unaware of Leia until Yoda tells him "there is another". Some will argue that this is open to interpretation, and so it is, but I maintain that Obi-wan seems to be pretty clearly in the dark about Leia's existence until that point and gets filled in by Yoda after the fact. It also makes more sense. If anyone ever found Luke or Obi-Wan, he wouldn't be in the position to give up the existence nor the location of Princess Leia.

Vehicle Design: The ships are cool, they really are. The problem I have is they all look like they come after the vehicles of the original trilogy, not before. I personally would have had the army of the republic using x-wings and nebulon B frigates and such, all looking brand new and well painted. That way, 20 years later the rebels look like they're using old discarded ships, and the Empire looks like it merely got a new military contractor.

Anakin's Turn: Anakin is clearly the stupidest Jedi in the history of the Galaxy. Palpatine reveals that he is a sith lord and Anakin doesn't start piecing it together? "Hey! that means you started the war! You're responsible for Qui-Gon's death! You created the clone army! You tried to have my wife assasinated! You had me sentenced to death! You control the seperatists! You had me kill your own apprentice! you've been trying to turn me against the jedi!" But no, none of this apparently goes through his head, and then when he arrives to find Mace and Palpatine facing off, Palpy lies to his face "I'm too weak!" but as soon as Anakin intervenes, suddenly Palpy is back at full power and blasts Mace out the window? Hey kid, he just lied to your face! not to mention he tried to make you think Mace was trying to overthrow the republic AFTER you walked over 2 jedi corpses. You think Mace did that maybe? You know, if Lucas had just characterized Anakin as a dumb jock, none of this would matter. If the audience just believed Anakin was stupid, we'd be in a better place

Buzz Droids: Okay, neat idea, clearly a destructive and devestating weapon. So why are they no longer in use come the original trilogy?

R2 the Acrobat: Atroo can fly? Wow, that sure woulda been useful in the OT.

R2 keeps his memory: Lame. Just lame.

Vader the thespian: "NOOOOOOOOOOO" Worst. Line. Ever.

Wookies: Their inclusion was entirely pointless. And Chewbacca being there? Wow, what an incredible coincedence. What a small universe. What a bad idea.

General Grievous: Wow, you know you're doing something wrong when the cartoon version of a character is more interesting, threatening and compelling than his feature film counter-part.

Okay, that's enough for now.


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Originally posted by: Pagz
Okay, a short list of my problems with Sith, mostly comprised of continuity errors:

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Qui-Gon Jedi Spirit Training: Can not happen. For the simple reason that at the end of Jedi, Anakin's spirit shows up with Obi and Yoda. Vader certainly didn't get this special training from the Q man, therefore it contradicts the films.


Nobody trained Quigon in how to do this, so perhaps Vader discovered it the same way QuiGon did.

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Obi-Wan is there for the birth: Another continuity error. Obi-Wan doesn't know about Leia, only Luke. In Empire he is unaware of Leia until Yoda tells him "there is another". Some will argue that this is open to interpretation, and so it is, but I maintain that Obi-wan seems to be pretty clearly in the dark about Leia's existence until that point and gets filled in by Yoda after the fact. It also makes more sense. If anyone ever found Luke or Obi-Wan, he wouldn't be in the position to give up the existence nor the location of Princess Leia.


Obi Wan knew of Leia, he just did not consider her a "Hope"... Obi Wan didn't think she could be as effective against the Emperor as Luke was.


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Anakin's Turn: Anakin is clearly the stupidest Jedi in the history of the Galaxy. Palpatine reveals that he is a sith lord and Anakin doesn't start piecing it together? "Hey! that means you started the war! You're responsible for Qui-Gon's death! You created the clone army! You tried to have my wife assasinated! You had me sentenced to death! You control the seperatists! You had me kill your own apprentice! you've been trying to turn me against the jedi!" But no, none of this apparently goes through his head, and then when he arrives to find Mace and Palpatine facing off, Palpy lies to his face "I'm too weak!" but as soon as Anakin intervenes, suddenly Palpy is back at full power and blasts Mace out the window? Hey kid, he just lied to your face! not to mention he tried to make you think Mace was trying to overthrow the republic AFTER you walked over 2 jedi corpses. You think Mace did that maybe? You know, if Lucas had just characterized Anakin as a dumb jock, none of this would matter. If the audience just believed Anakin was stupid, we'd be in a better place


Hm. Yeah, but... Anakin is incredibly self centered, and he'll do anything to get him more power, and anything to save Padme. Plus he was probably scared Palps would kill him. He already distrusts the Jedi anyway.

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R2 keeps his memory: Lame. Just lame.


Actually, it makes more sense that way. After all, R2 is the hero of the series, constantly saving everyone's butts, and he understands how important it is to find ObiWan and all.

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Vader the thespian: "NOOOOOOOOOOO" Worst. Line. Ever.


Agreed. A generic scream (rather than a word) or no scream at all would have been much better.

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General Grievous: Wow, you know you're doing something wrong when the cartoon version of a character is more interesting, threatening and compelling than his feature film counter-part.


It would have been nice if they had explained WHY Grevous was coughing and all.

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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Nobody trained Quigon in how to do this, so perhaps Vader discovered it the same way QuiGon did.

Maybe, but it seems unlikely.

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Obi Wan knew of Leia, he just did not consider her a "Hope"... Obi Wan didn't think she could be as effective against the Emperor as Luke was.

Like I say, it's open to interpretation. I maintain that it comes of as if Obi-Wan is ingorant of her existence. I also maintain that this makes more sense.

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Actually, it makes more sense that way. After all, R2 is the hero of the series, constantly saving everyone's butts, and he understands how important it is to find ObiWan and all.


I don't think that remembering what transpired before has any impact on Artoo knowing how important things are. However, it definitely seems to me that a droid rolling around with that much super sensitive knowledge in it would be a severe security risk.

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Originally posted by: Kam


Then you are a whore for overwhelming CGI and bad acting and are not a true SW fan.


Kam, I sypathize with some of your views. I Lucas, EPI, EPII, and the SE. Just because some one likes these things does not mean that they are not Star Wars fans. Certainly does not make them whore. You have to calm down. Try to find a way to express you views in a less insulting manner. And although there is alot I hate in the PT, it is not all bs. EPIII while not as good as the OOT movies is certainly not bs.

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you not helping anything with your half assed posts. you not furthering an discussion, and just wasting time.


Shim, who does this remind us of? *cough* J____ *cough*
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A certain banned poster named...Jimbo, perhaps?

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don't say the name you'll bring about an evil curse! kindly refer to him as J____.
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No, don't call him that; it might cause confusion with Jay, the Emperor of the site.

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No, Jay only has 3 letters in his name, J____ has 5. And I would never refer to Emperor Jay as J__.
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Hang about:

I have some questions and could the eminenly wise person a few posts above mine please answer?
1. What is a true Star Wars fan, exactly?
2. How does liking Ep1, 2 or 3 for that matter make them NOT a true fan?
3. Is it fair to be such a damned Nazi towards them, just because they happen to like a movie?

Now be honest, if someone walks up to me and says "Pearl Harbour was great", I kick the bastard. But come on, sucky as Star Wars can be, it isn't deserving of that kind of vitriole. I don't think I've seen a single thread called "Things you LIKED about Episode III". It's all full of people so preoccupied with trying to promote their image as tasteful folk who know something about movies (it ain't fooling anyone) that they really can't see past their own pimply noses and say 'well screw it, it wasn't THAT bad'. (Seriously, you want a bad film, go rent "Gladiator" or "Double Team").


hey i think your refering to me. ok

your first question, i never said someone wasnt a SW fan. a SW fan is someone that likes Starwars overall.

second question not sure how it relates but liking EP 1 2 and 3 would make you a SW fan.

third one well i being a nazi to people that dise movies and the people that like them for no reason other then to dise them.

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I don't think I've seen a single thread called "Things you LIKED about Episode III"


it exists its just its easier to hate something then love it so no one posts in it.

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It's all full of people so preoccupied with trying to promote their image as tasteful folk who know something about movies (it ain't fooling anyone) that they really can't see past their own pimply noses and say 'well screw it, it wasn't THAT bad'.


you dont know how well you jsut hit it on the head.
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Shim, who does this remind us of? *cough* J____ *cough*




yes yes i see the parallel but jimbo did have some points, and he was funny as hell. also he was a minority in the site interms of PT fans. Kam doesnt fill any of these requirements.
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Pagz,

Wonderful post!!...your sense of continuity is so spot on the money. And your sarcasm. I'm glad there are at least some others out there who hate Lucas's trying to make Star Wars into 'It's A Small World'...

From what you've said I think you might love the link I have in my sig...
It's the absolute best one i've ever read & the best that will ever be written on the matter in my opinion.
The guy is a true stalwart of the faith.

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