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Its a place where people go to bash the SEs, The Prequels and basically end up bashing anything Star Wars except the 1977 film and The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi sometimes, they also talk about films there as well.

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Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
Least when I am here I will never see a thread like it did there "is Star Wars(ANH) meh?" and was shocked to find out it was actually started by a mod, and I bet there would be mega complaints if someone posted a thread "is Revenge Of The Sith meh?" there and the Classic Trilogy forum seems just so anti anything pre 97 its unbelievable, and its great there are people here who love the first film and dont class it as meh and love the original films.


and therein lies the problem... sites like TF.n and obviously Lucas' own SW.com have slowly allowed their ranks to be filled with Mods and Admins who would just as soon spit on the originals and love the prequels. This fanatic sect of fandom, which is outnumbered and outclassed obscenely in any normal population sampling, has screamed loud enough in these fan clubs and wedged their way in so they dominate the "collective opinion."

Frankly - they are misrepresenting the SW fanbase, in my opinion. How many people do you know, in normal everyday life, who actually like the Prequels? I could go systematically through my entire building, almost a 1000 poeple, and I would be lucky to find one person. I may not even find one person.

But the Original Star Wars, the guy in the cube next to me, and the one two down, and the Director in that corner, and our CEO and like half the population LOVES THE ORIGINAL FILMS. That is fandom. Check media, magazines, TV shows, talk shows, newspapers, radio, film or wherever. The collective opinion is that STAR WARS ROCKS. And Jar Jar sucks.

Am I wrong?

Just most fans are "casual fans". They don't visit websites. Most people don't know about this petition. They don't realize that a large group of "fanatics" (and I use fanatics because that is what they've become, like a cult operating in denial of the outside world, joint attacks on outside opinion and self-congratulatory parades) have managed to exert themselves to represent the 'fan's opinion:' Oh yes, George, continue to mutilate the old films, I love how you stuck a teenager with a mullet in the ghost scene. we love it, George, here's more changes, more, more!

The proverbial rubber band must break.
Fuck the Jedi Council.
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Personally, it isn't the generalizing that bothers me. Though I can see how that would lead to hostile debating. Nothing is more infuriating that saying one aspect of the Saga is imperfect and being told what your opinion of everything else. You are so right - and it would be wrong to stereotype all the users on TF.n or all the mods in the same way we get stereotyped.

The real beef is that one side of the fence moderates biasly against the other. Or that a group of them work in tandem - coordinating through PM - to 'attack' critical opinions.

I think it is safe to say that there is a very specific group of fans who are fanatic. And generalizations about this group aren't really generalization - simply definition. And a lot of people fall in the middle, who don't really have a side. And even a lot of OT fans - whom aren't bashers per se - are attacked by the "fanatics" simply for being critical. For example, O-OT fans are all labeled "hypocritical" because some support fan edits, which 1) is a direct flame and 2) has been ingrained in the community through repetition by gushers and 3) supported by mods; when that is simply not true nor should be allowed by any TOS or respectable forum.

People are people. And that's where most of us differ from the "fanatics." We're not devout, we're open-minded people who like somethings in the Saga and dislike other aspects, and realize everyone has an opinion. But to this group - we are all enemies.
Fuck the Jedi Council.
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I post on TFN quite a lot actually, never realized how much until I checked. But that is for various reasons 1) I'm a former City Council member for the San Francisco Fan Force, still active, just now free of responsibilities 2)Bashers Sanctuary, 3)There is an O-OT thread that gets infiltrated every once in a while and I feel it is my duty to lay a nice little smack down on any post '97 gushers and PT fans there. I especially had to respond to someone who not only thinks that the PT is a better series, but wants the O-OT to look more like the PT. But it's true that TFN is now filled with fans who are just there on the bandwagon because of the Prequels, and the actions of their mods reflect that.

That doesn't mean I have to run away and hide from them. I don't troll, indulge in baiting, or personal attacks. But I don't hold back in my opinions about what utter garbage has been spewed forth from LucasCorp and his minions. I also feel it is my duty to remind fans where they came from, what brought them to where they are, not to let them forget the original trilogy as it existed when the world was good and the movies were pure, not the raped and discarded maidens that now lay on the side of the road that Lucas has thrown down with disdain.
There's good in the Original Trilogy, and it's worth fighting for.
"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."
http://www.myspace.com/harlock415
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Here's another reason why I left TF.n What a damed cry-baby. And I love the drama going on about the Mormon underwear as well. Pure comedy.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I wish I could gwt some recognition over there.
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Believe me, you don't.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: Zion
Same old argument, different holiday. It never fails.

The Christmas drama is my personal favorite. But you can always count on someone over there to get offended every time TFN, an American-run site, celebrates an American holiday.


The retarded thing is, St. Patrick's Day isn't an exclusively American holiday. We even have it in Australia. This guy's just a retard.
MTFBWY. Always.

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Do you guy celebrate mansons birthday like we do in MI?
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As in....Charles?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Why on earth would you celebrate that?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Okay, I'm just getting annoyed with the gushers on TFn. I've been restraining myself for a while, but a poll on the Classic Trilogy forums was posted and this is what it said:

Poll Question: What is your favorite version of the original trilogy?
Total Votes: 60 (Days Left: 30)

Current Poll Results:
46%
Original Theatrical Editions (28 votes)
1%
1997 Special Editions (1 votes)
51%
2004 DVD Editions (31 votes)


For me personally, the 2004 DVD editions are the definitive versions of the saga. The redone Palpatine scene in The Empire Strikes Back and the extended ending for Return of the Jedi added a new depth to the movies and helped bridge the gap between the OT and the prequels.

I do still have a special fondness for the original cuts, because they were the first versions of the saga that I saw. And I also can't forget the SEs, as they're the only versions of the saga that I've seen in theaters.

That's a skewing of the poll. But read further, the SE and '04 gushers only care about better picture better sound. They do not once argue for the re-edits, or how good or bad they are.

I'm probably going to get a ban warning soon after starting up against some idiots on the forums there.
There's good in the Original Trilogy, and it's worth fighting for.
"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."
http://www.myspace.com/harlock415
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An outlet to freely kvetch, since we can't do it there.

Besides I'm not going to cower and run from the gushers.

Also my Fan Force boards are on TFn. We're cool there and we know each other.
There's good in the Original Trilogy, and it's worth fighting for.
"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."
http://www.myspace.com/harlock415
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I was almost banned from TF.n's forums for posting an Episode 4 spoiler in the non-spoiler forums.
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the thread is an origin to rally fans of the original films against this GROSS misrepresentation of the true fanbase. Those people live in a bizzarro universe, where normal people have been driven out by radical sections of the fan base.. Up is down. Han Solo shot last.

Sadly, I believe that Lucasfilm may see them as representative of the whole fan base, and the cause for the Original Trilogy will continue to wane.

At some point, that "front" must be won. It is the Bastogne of the original trilogy campaign...
Fuck the Jedi Council.