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Hey, all. Yes, another World of Warcraft player has signed up here just to give his thoughts. I have been playing this game since release. I have been a gamer for most of my life, and a Warcraft fan for over five years. I discovered WoW Radio relatively recently, and occasionally browse the forums, post a thought or two here and there. I listen to one or two of the shows, and anxiously await TB's next one to air. I was browsing these forums when I saw a topic witha title, something or 'nother about the "Star Wars Kid" and I entered and found this debacle waiting for me.

First off, yes, I stand by World of Warcraft. It is truly a great game, and Blizzard Entertainment is truly a great game developer. I enjoy online games. I love games in general. I thrive on competition, teaming up with friends to defeat impossible odds, and relaxing after a hard day at work. I am aware HotRod has expressed he has nothing against online games, and this is a relief to me as it makes you appear more rational in my eyes and gives me more room to work with. I am thankful for this.

This does appear to be a ridiculous subject matter to converse on, but I would like to point out that we should be working this issue out rather than throwing insults. The WoW player "less QQ more pewpew" who made the random post of drivel up top on page 3? Get out of here. We need none of that. You make WoW players look bad, and it's been proven that the people on these forums are prone to indulging in stereotypes and generalizations. C3PX or whatever the Hell your name is? Stop trying to be witty. You're not helping anything, you're not solving or mending the situation, you're just being as inflammatory as the chap I just mentioned. Cut it out. Disguising your words with wit does not make you better than him. Thank you.

On to the meat of the situation. We're all "nerds", if you will. I do not know why people are calling each other Star Wars geeks or Warcraft dorks. We're all "nerdy" in a sense. Hell, most people have a passion they are deep inside nerdy about. But who cares? Most of us still have lives. Because I play World of Warcraft, does that mean I do not have a life? For all you know, I, too, have a child, a wife, and a family I love and care for. Whether I play World of Warcraft makes no difference. I could say the same thing for the Star Wars fans here (I, myself, am a Star Wars fan, too!) but it does seem that the Warcraft players are the ones under fire in that department so I will leave it at that.

And the true core of the controversy: the attacks against WoW Radio itself. Hmm. Tough subject. They are indeed the opinion of HotRod, and he has the right to express it. On the other hand, it is natural for people who have worked so hard on personal projects to be offended when someone attacks it. Especially when you attack it with such conviction...let's get down to it, HotRod, you outrighted insulted WoW Radio harshly and with prejudice. If WoW Radio had been a huge project of mine, yes, I would have taken offense too. I know you would've as well.

Alas, I think both sides lack a bit of understanding, and the situation is not helped by the twisting of words by C3PX. I don't mean to keep picking on you, man, but let's face it: you've posted nothing but inflammatory drivel and nothing to really help the situation. I'm a guy who believes in diplomacy first, and hostility as a last resort. Yes, TotalBiscuit did have some smartass remarks, but it was only after he felt you guys were being unfair to him and his program.

I'm running out of thoughts, but I'm sure your replies will give me more. I ask that all of you set aside generalizations and stereotypes and try to at least understand each other's point of view. Do I think the concept of WoW Radio is a little corny? Haha, yeah, sure. I'll say so. Do I enjoy some of its broadcasting? Hell yes, I do! Specifically TotalBiscuit's stuff. He really is great, and he despite what I've seen HotRod saying, he doesn't talk about "what weapon is best" or "omg I got to level 30", or whoever was saying that stuff. I really don't remember the exact words. But yea, I do enjoy select broadcasting. I think it's sort of novel.

World of Warcraft is played by 8 million plus people worldwide. It's crept into mainstream culture and been referenced many times in such. I feel that insulting somebody's hobby is sort of a low blow and really not necessary, but perhaps I am alone in this. I am a nice person at heart. I would never call somebody's hobby the "saddest thing ever" or any such nonsense. Try to put this into perspective. World of Warcraft is a huge game, with tons of possibilities, options, and stuff to do, and a deep and rich backstory. Its social aspect is a significant addition to the fun, and it's a blast to explore this world with friends, play the economy, and tackle enormous odds alongside comrades. It is ever evolving, changing often. What's wrong with talking about it? Why is that sad? Why does that mean they don't have lives?

Please, try to put it into perspective. I won't get anyone admit to changing their minds here, but I do hope I have opened some eyes here. Peace, all, and good night. I'll check up on this thread tomorrow and hopefully things will be much better.
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Welcome. I have to say you sound like a breath of fresh air compared to some of the others I've encountered while reading this thread. Your post rather reminds me of the one I made on the last page. I really can't speak for HotRod. Maybe he was just having some fun, like I assume he was doing and what I probably would have done myself had I stumbled across it. Maybe he really does think you guys are a bunch of sad losers. I honestly can't tell you what his motivation was. Personally, I think the idea of a WoW radio program is a pretty novel idea. Despite the fact that MMORPGs (or online gaming in general) are not really my cup of tea, I like the concept. That said, I think it's nerdy. Like you said, and like I said in my earlier post, we're all nerds. We are all fanatics in the truest and proudest sense of the word. And I don't necessarily think that my fellow forum members need to "open their minds to your point of view" because that's assuming they aren't already. The negative backlash from our end has come from the invasion that occurred afterwards in a way that we think is taking it way too seriously (and thus confirming negative stereotypes). And, once again, I can't speak for everybody, but I feel no need to abandon the stereotypes either. Like I said in my earlier post, they're fun if you can learn to laugh at your own foibles rather than take everything too seriously. Have you ever heard of the song "Everyone's a Little Bit Racist" from the musical Avenue Q? It hilariously brings forth every racial stereotype in the book and admits that we all use them or joke about them from time to time. I challenge anyone to come forward saying that they have never found some humor in a stereotype. What I particularly like about that song is a lyric that says that all stereotypes are based in truth. So if someone claims that a WoW player is a loveless 30-something-year old nerd who never leaves his computer in his mother's basement, chances are that there is a player out there who at least comes close to that description. Does that mean that most people actually believe that the stereotype is representative of the whole, or even the majority, of the group? No! So while it's your job as a fan to spread a more positive image of your fandom, it's also your privilege to have a fun caricature to represent your fandom and learn to embrace that inner geek.

You seem like a pretty level-headed guy, and I hope this helps to clarify things a bit.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Ummm....One question...why would any one waste any time joining a forum to post one time a 5 paragraph mini-essay about WOW or these little posts with nothing but slang and prfanity at others and how people here are talking about it. Do some of you actually have lives? I would not go to a WOW forum to post an essay about how much better Star Wars is, or how SW is just as good as WOW or what ever. I swear--a lot of this (not anyone specifically) is getting on the verge of trolling and is kinda annoying and just shows what odd lengths some people would go too, for no reason at all--but then again-------theres my 2cents. But yes, welcome Alekseyev, hopefuly it won't be your last post here.
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Wow, I wasn't expecting quick replies, so I suppose I'll be responding sooner than I thought.

I will say that if indeed HotRod's post was half in jest, then sure, I think this is blown way out of proportion. But something tells me it is not, and while I do agree with some of your thoughts on stereotypes, they are pretty harmful in this situation as all I see are WoWers being slandered into looking like, as you say, 30-year olds in their mum's basement. Likewise, we're all big boys (presumably?), so I think we all know that many generalizations, this one included, are not true.

As for being able to poke fun at oneself, I think I've already shown that I am willing to do so. I openly admit to being a nerd. We all are. So what? I'm proud of it. I believe myself to be more enlightened and cultured than most people I know, and I'm sure it's because I engage in "nerdy" activities. The fact that I still have a life is something I take pride in, knowing that I am just another case of somebody who defies the typical "gamer" stereotype.

Man, this feels totally off topic. But I do hope this sort of discussion leads to the mending of ways by both parties. If indeed your fellow forumers are already open to the point of view and opinions I have expressed in my little "essay" (my apologies, WESHALLPRESERVE, for invading and posting such essays ) then I challenge them to say so. I say this simply because I have felt nothing but deregatory insults, harmful stereotyping, and downright slander towards World of Warcraft players in this thread. EDIT: Just to make it clear, numerous injustices have been spoken by both sides.

This is what led me to my previous assumptions that you guys were in fact *not* open to my point of view. My apologies if my assumptions were indeed incorrect.

I look forward to your reply. We're on a good path to settling this, I am sure. Cheers!
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Oh, I hope I'm not sounding bad about the 5 paragraph thing, I guess I just think in the first few pages of this, it should not have been blown to such a proportion----It's interesting, but I don't think this is really something worth arguing about---people listen to WOW Radio for tips on playing the game, thats it----but I don't think its the coolest, nor the most dorkeyest thing in the world--its just...there. If I ever start playing WOW, (I doubt it, but my uncle plays it and has been trying to get me to play it) I would probably listen to the station for a while to get a baring on things. Thats it-and I think its very immature and very stupid for people (not you Alekseyev but people like less QQ more pewpew and others) to actually waste time when they could be doing anything else (hell, playing WOW!) to post on a fourm and throw insults at people who don't like the game, or simply just don't care for it! Fuck, the games I love get bad wrap alot (alot of the Gundam Games for PS2 for example) and I swear by them, but I don't go out trolling other fourms in my "spare time" like those others have. Sorry bout the misconception Alex.
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I do agree with your point about how people should not come trolling simply because an individual does not like World of Warcraft. However, let me simply state that this began from the insults thrown at WoW Radio (I believe), not the game itself. I think TotalBiscuit was justified in giving you guys his 2 cents, but most of the others...were not. I think we can agree on this for the most part, yes?

Furthermore, just for quick clarification, I don't listen to WoW Radio for tips. I was not aware there were programs that give tips. Most of what I have listened to has discussed the immense lore behind the game (trust me, you laugh- but it's like talking about the huge backstory of, say, Lord of the Rings, or, Star Wars! ) which is truly entertaining, as I am a writer myself currently drafting backstory to an epic sci-fi trilogy I've been formulating since I was a high-school freshman. And other topics were about the evolution of endgame in WoW, and discussions about controversial topics within the community. (not that you, a nonplayer, will understand, but issues such as the Cross Faction classes)

Just wanted to clarify before people started thinking it was a station where some guy spouted off what was the best weapon to use and the best places to level.
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This is going to be brief because I'm tired. I don't think it was ever really about someone not being open to someone else's point of view. Despite that I think it's a pretty good and fun idea to have a radio station dedicated to your hobby (no dorkier than G4, right?), I can certainly see how an outsider would find it to be somewhat laughable. And had I been in on this thread from the beginning, I probably would have been making some jokes about it, too. Nothing personal or serious, just having some fun. The way I see it, the problem started with miscommunication, misinterpretation, oversensitivity, and defensiveness. TotalBiscuit was offended by the previous posts. His retaliation was to make fun of us. Our "side" got defensive about being called out for it. Things escalated, more WoW people came just to complain. Our side became less likely to sympathize and more eager to fight back. And now we have this thing ballooning out of control, and it might take some time for everybody to get rational again. We'll just have to see.

But, anyway, fun talking to you. Goodnight.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
This is going to be brief because I'm tired. I don't think it was ever really about someone not being open to someone else's point of view. Despite that I think it's a pretty good and fun idea to have a radio station dedicated to your hobby (no dorkier than G4, right?), I can certainly see how an outsider would find it to be somewhat laughable. And had I been in on this thread from the beginning, I probably would have been making some jokes about it, too. Nothing personal or serious, just having some fun. The way I see it, the problem started with miscommunication, misinterpretation, oversensitivity, and defensiveness. TotalBiscuit was offended by the previous posts. His retaliation was to make fun of us. Our "side" got defensive about being called out for it. Things escalated, more WoW people came just to complain. Our side became less likely to sympathize and more eager to fight back. And now we have this thing ballooning out of control, and it might take some time for everybody to get rational again. We'll just have to see.

But, anyway, fun talking to you. Goodnight.


Bloody well said, my friend. It's called escalation, as you put it. Quite simply, all it takes is for a simple miscommunication or misunderstanding of words to take place, one side takes offense, and things escalate to the levels of hostility we are currently set at. People need to calm down and converse on a rational level, as I have been doing for several posts now with these two fellows.
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Yes, yes--but to take your point about how people were "dissing" WOW radio in the first place-----Well, many things are dissed on the internet, hell everything is somewhere---Im 100% positive your going to find people that hate Gundam and hate sliced bread and hate chesses. You can diss, you have the right to, about anything and everything you want. but for people to create crazy accounts to do 2 posts with nothing but insults toward others--its stupid, and just boring------if everyone did that, the internet would be one fucked place, thats for sure-----well, good conversing with you Alek----its 11:35 pm here and I think I'm gonna get some rest now------
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Indeed. I think it is quite crazy to make an account and just spam the joint with insults. I, however, joined up to engage in a civil conversation and try to help you guys see why TotalBiscuit responded the way he did. I stand with him, and him alone. Any other Warcrafter who has come here to insult you guys is on his own.

I believe that the point is this...this, "hatred" was directed at somebody's hard work. Not a game, which is a company's hard work, for sure, but an honest man with an honest hobby who does this because he loves it. That's what bore the brunt of the hurtful comments, and that is why TB responded here.

Insult World of Warcraft all you guys want. I do not care, nor will I think anything of it. I will continue to play it and likely forget anything you had to say on the matter within an hour anyhow. But, I do think, once again, that TB was clearly offended by his hard work being slandered (not World of Warcraft; rather, WoW Radio) and he responded in the manner he did.

I feel like I am not getting my point across, which is that TB was simply reacting just like ANY of you would have if your hard work was put down in such a harsh manner.

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We are all friends again!! Thanks Alekseyev, you really are a credit to your WOW fellowmen. Welcome to the OT forum, hope you stick around.
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Ok I think I need to clear a few things up here!

After re-reading my original post, I can understand how I may have upset TotalFruitcake. It was a little harsh. It was badly written. Fair enough.
I don't think it's the saddest thing I've ever heard. Ok..happy now?

The point I was trying to make was, that after 2 DAYS of listening to endless drivel about reaching level 60 or what armour is best to fight the big bad boss, well it just started to grate. And the real reason I started the thread was to wind up the person working next to me, a sort of "let's see if others agree with me" kind of thing.
It wasn't meant to be seen by Lord Fruitcake and the members of WoW radio, it was meant to be read by members of this forum only. I had no idea what was going to happen, but it has, and now it's turned into something completely off the point.
Again, my original post was harsh. The radio station isn't that bad, man, it can even be amusing at times. However, just put yourself in my position. You had some person working next to you and for 2 days he played Star Wars radio, where they discussed the finer details about the SW world, from the size of Padme's various clothing to the detail length of Wookie hair. After 2 days of that shit wouldn't you have enough. Probably. Man I'm a SW geek and even I couldn't stand too much of that!
However, the thing that really rattled my cage was the insults that started to get thrown round here, especially about me and my skills at being a father. That wasn't very nice and so you deserved all the flak you received thereafter.
Then came the little horde of trolls. One after one, like a bunch of lemmings, just repeating shit after shit. You give wow a bad name!

So, to sum all of this up. No it's not that bad a radio station or even that bad a website, it's all very similar to ours, it 's just the way TB and a few others reacted that was bad. To come over here and start a flame war was bad. It was on our website that I started this, not yours. It was just an opinion I had at that moment in time, no big deal.
I wasn't insulting WoW per say, I'd just had enough of listening to the pod casts for 2 days straight, which I had no choice in. I wasn't slamming your website, just what I'd had to endure for the last couple of days while at work. That's all.

I think it's time to end all of this.





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Originally posted by: Alekseyev
First off, yes, I stand by World of Warcraft. It is truly a great game, and Blizzard Entertainment is truly a great game developer. I enjoy online games. I love games in general. I thrive on competition, teaming up with friends to defeat impossible odds, and relaxing after a hard day at work. I am aware HotRod has expressed he has nothing against online games, and this is a relief to me as it makes you appear more rational in my eyes and gives me more room to work with. I am thankful for this.


Blizzard is indeed a brilliant gaming company. StarCraft was their most amazing achievement to date, but their latest games are also incredibly good. I've researched WoW rather heavily and I'm more than sure that if I had possessed the time I'd be addicted to it by now. But it's a game. Games are about fun gameplay. Anything beyond that is nerdy interest. As a gamer that regularly obsesses over his games in insane ways, I can simultaneously realize how out of touch I am at the same time. Why are you "relieved" and "thankful" that Hotrod has nothing against online games? Why even discuss it? What purpose does this discussion serve for you? Are you trying to make WoW converts? (I ask these questions because I really am curious about the motivation here.)

I'm sure there are plenty of WoW players who would think of the arguments in this thread as absurd. It’s a fucking game. If you want to listen to a radio show discussing the best ways to “grind” or the best armor for your perfectly balanced rogue, then you need to understand how nerdy that is. If you want to listen to people discussing the generic and uninspiring story elements that Blizzard stole for the WarCraft universe, then go ahead, but don't act like it’s anything other than nerdy. WoW is a game and games should be about fun gameplay. For the most part, the other WoW-radio defenders in this thread don't seem to know what fun is.

This isn’t a battle of life and death to see who’s more adult. That just seems so sick to me. Why take an amazing game like WoW and turn it into something so boring?

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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Firstly, "Hello" to all the Star Wars guys and gals on this forum \o/ I'm the guy who sits next to HotRod at work and plays WoW Radio for my (and his), pleasure so I guess I can take some responsibility here I have a lvl 60 Lock in WoW, play end game instances and have found WoW Radio (especially TB's Dungeon master slot), a very good and informative listen. HR's comments at the very start of this thread were badly worded and ill advised and I told him so when he was typing it. To slag someone else's work in such a derogatory fashion is out of order. His opinion is fair enough and he is of course entitled to it but to blatantly attack it with a thread title of "The saddest thing ever" then to follow it up with "It's one thing to play the game that sucks all your life away, but to listen to a bunch of saddo nerds talking about the best way to play...well call me whatever you like, but Jesus this is sad beyond all sadness.", is enough to irritate anyone who plays WoW, let alone the owner of the station itself. Difference is I can tell him to STFU in person which is far more gratifying I can tell you

To be fair to dickhead (HotRod), he was only writing it in jest and I know for a fact he didn’t mean it to come across as bad as it did because we were ripping the piss over it when he was typing it and whining about the choice of radio station. I also know that with a little more coaxing from me, I might actually get him to play WoW too (he played SW:Galaxies ffs so there’s hope!) >

Bottom line is that this is has blown all out of all proportion and I believe HR's genuinely sorry for his original post. As for TotalBiscuit, I know Hotrods comments hit a nerve. To have your work attacked like that is not nice but you shouldn’t have risen to it. Any publicity is good publicity after all m8

Anyway that’s my two cents and as entertaining as this thread was to read, I hope this should be an end to something I feel a little responsible for. Poor HR has had to sit there for the last two days listening to how to raid Zul'Gurrub Riad instance etc.....lol....sorry m8 but I've had to sit there listening to you bang on about Star Wars for the last 10 years so av a little back man
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Originally posted by: Evolut!oN
Firstly, "Hello" to all the Star Wars guys and gals on this forum \o/ I'm the guy who sits next to HotRod at work and plays WoW Radio for my (and his), pleasure so I guess I can take some responsibility here I have a lvl 60 Lock in WoW, play end game instances and have found WoW Radio (especially TB's Dungeon master slot), a very good and informative listen. HR's comments at the very start of this thread were badly worded and ill advised and I told him so when he was typing it. To slag someone else's work in such a derogatory fashion is out of order. His opinion is fair enough and he is of course entitled to it but to blatantly attack it with a thread title of "The saddest thing ever" then to follow it up with "It's one thing to play the game that sucks all your life away, but to listen to a bunch of saddo nerds talking about the best way to play...well call me whatever you like, but Jesus this is sad beyond all sadness.", is enough to irritate anyone who plays WoW, let alone the owner of the station itself. Difference is I can tell him to STFU in person which is far more gratifying I can tell you

To be fair to dickhead (HotRod), he was only writing it in jest and I know for a fact he didn’t mean it to come across as bad as it did because we were ripping the piss over it when he was typing it and whining about the choice of radio station. I also know that with a little more coaxing from me, I might actually get him to play WoW too (he played SW:Galaxies ffs so there’s hope!) >

Bottom line is that this is has blown all out of all proportion and I believe HR's genuinely sorry for his original post. As for TotalBiscuit, I know Hotrods comments hit a nerve. To have your work attacked like that is not nice but you shouldn’t have risen to it. Any publicity is good publicity after all m8

Anyway that’s my two cents and as entertaining as this thread was to read, I hope this should be an end to something I feel a little responsible for. Poor HR has had to sit there for the last two days listening to how to raid Zul'Gurrub Riad instance etc.....lol....sorry m8 but I've had to sit there listening to you bang on about Star Wars for the last 10 years so av a little back man


Well hello i'm a level 60 Warrior on Twisting Nether nice to meet you.
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Ok, forgive me: I had yet another essay typed up, and I lost it due to some technical problems of not logging on before hitting Reply to Thread. Great. So here is a much quicker rundown of what I was about to post.

Thanks to Evolution and HotRod, for clarifying the situation to a near stand-still. I can fully understand the situation now, and maybe even TB could come in and post his thoughts? Nevertheless, HotRod, the time for insults and hostility has passed, so please stop. We're all civil beings, and I think you're one of the only people with insults still on his mind. Let it go.

Blizzard is indeed a brilliant gaming company. StarCraft was their most amazing achievement to date, but their latest games are also incredibly good. I've researched WoW rather heavily and I'm more than sure that if I had possessed the time I'd be addicted to it by now. But it's a game. Games are about fun gameplay. Anything beyond that is nerdy interest. As a gamer that regularly obsesses over his games in insane ways, I can simultaneously realize how out of touch I am at the same time. Why are you "relieved" and "thankful" that Hotrod has nothing against online games? Why even discuss it? What purpose does this discussion serve for you? Are you trying to make WoW converts? (I ask these questions because I really am curious about the motivation here.)


Why make this discussion. Hmm. I am thinking that you'd know why I am here if you'd actually opened your eyes to continue reading, my friend. To stop the incessant, childish bickering that has gripped these two sites, that's why I am here! I have nearly succeeded in such.

Read a little deeper. I'm not sure what is causing you to overlook this, but I clearly state that I am relieved and thankful that he does not hold vendettas against abstract ideas such as online gaming because that is very irrational and the fact that he does not hold such ridiculous grudges means I have "more room to work with".

Your post also makes two things clear:

1) You disrespect me by neglecting to read the discussion in its full. You begin spouting off about how I should admit that I am nerdy and that listening to WoW Radio (the little bit I do) is nerdy. Problem is, I've already done so. Almost everyone in this thread had vouched for their own nerdom. So, the onus is on you: why are you still talking about it?

2) The second fact you missed. WoW Radio's subjects. Best armor, best spec for rogues? I am not aware that WoW Radio is so simple. The programs I tune into it, few though they may be, are not. For examples of topics I enjoyed listening to, please read the rest of my posts, as I listed some. You clearly have not read my posts in their entirety, as #1 attests to.

Your jab at Blizzard's "uninspired" stories also has no place in your post. (I'm sensing some sort of Warhammer Fantasy fanboy uprising incoming, but I could be wrong) Are you trying to get a rise out of me? You'll be sorely disappointed, as you're entitled to whatever opinion you may like on Blizzard's storylines. I enjoy them immensely. I love the rich backstory and lore they have created, as do millions. What you think of them is irrelevent both to me and to the topic at hand.

Most insulting is how you act like I claimed it wasn't nerdy. That is simply totally untrue and it just proves how little of my posts you've actually read. *sigh* Please go back, read them, and then return and you can hopefully make more informed posts.

That's it. Perhaps it's better I simply did a recap, as my last post was rather long. I wasn't up to writing it again. I swear, though, that happens to me all the time. I get a huge post and then lose it. Ah well. Glad to see we're coming to an understanding, all.


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This thread is ridiculous. It's like you guys are determined to make us like WoW, and it's unacceptable if we don't.

I personally think it's stupid, and a waste of time. You may disagree with me, but I'm entitled to think that way.

So some people don't like the game you obsess over (and yes, this thread, if nothing else. proves that you obsess over). F*cking deal with it.

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Originally posted by: Nanner Split
This thread is ridiculous. It's like you guys are determined to make us like WoW, and it's unacceptable if we don't.

I personally think it's stupid, and a waste of time. You may disagree with me, but I'm entitled to think that way.

So some people don't like the game you obsess over (and yes, this thread, if nothing else. proves that you obsess over). F*cking deal with it.


Will you just READ? This is impossible to be civil with you people, and solve this stupid arguement, if you do not start opening your eyes and reading my goddam posts.

I don't care if you like WoW or not. I don't give two shits! Please, please, sit down and read through my posts. Ever since your last post, the only posts that have been coming out are posts of understanding, reason, and civil discussion.

Yet, you had to go and suddenly try to pour gasoline on a dying fire. Nice, brilliant fucking move. Look, I came here to smother the fire, and because I think the arguement was so stupid to begin with (seeing as it's all because of miscommunication) I wished to see it end and for both parties to understand each other. The problem is people like you barge in here without reading anything and start spewing crap about people trying to "get you to like WoW".

You need to practice what you preach, sir. The arguement was over. It was dying down to nothing, with both sides coming together and clarifying their thoughts and channeling these energies into reasonable words. The arguement is OVER. Please, "fucking deal with it".

Do I sound pissed? Yeah, I know I do, and I apologize, but it's clear that my calm and docile words didn't get through to some people. Disappointing. Early in this thread, some people from these forums judged all WoW fans from the actions of one or two people. If I were inclined to be so unfair and ignorant, and judge all people on this site from you, then I would truly weep at the ignorance and lack of comprehension displayed by that group of people.
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I've read every single post in this thread, which is why I came to the opinion that I came to. If an outsider were to read some of your posts, they would be surprised that you were talking about a computer game. This seems to be proving just what you guys are trying to disprove, that it is a life-encompassing thing, at least life-encompassing to the point that people that play it will go over to other forums and join (how many do we have here now? six?) just to bitch out anyone that doesn't like it and write five-paragraph posts about how great it is.

I'm gonna quote one of your earlier posts:

Originally posted by: Alekseyev
Insult World of Warcraft all you guys want. I do not care, nor will I think anything of it. I will continue to play it and likely forget anything you had to say on the matter within an hour anyhow.


Apparently you weren't entirely truthful here. You said you wouldn't care if someone insulted World of Warcraft (which I didn't; I only said that I didn't like it), and yet you blew up after I did just that (apparently you do "give two shits"). And you have the sack to tell someone else to practice what they preach?!

Grow the fuck up. It's just a game.

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No, you continue to misunderstand.

I blew up because you're FANNING the flames. Telling people to "fucking get over it" and bringing up crap about people trying to "convince you to like the game". (which probably occured, but not by me, and likely not in the last page or so, where civil discussion has reigned)

Your posts are here are nothing but a deliberate attempt to sabotage what was turning into an honest discussion. Plain and simple. You degrade me because I attempt to solve a hostile arguement between two parties. Who cares what they're arguing about? It's stupid, so I came here to end it. As I stated, I have nearly succeeded in such.

I will state for what is likely the third time I have done so: I don't care if you like WoW. I don't care if you bash it. Go ahead. It does not matter to me. It does matter if you try to fan the flames, pour gasoline on the fire. You're trolling at this point, trying to turn my kind and understanding words into some kind of message of conversion.

Quite simply, you're twisting words, and from what I've seen, you're quite good at it. If you think my posts were the definition of "bitching out people who don't like WoW", why did I garner such support for my words from people from THESE VERY FORUMS? Please explain this to me.

I think you're being irrational. I came here to solve the issue, to clarify, to hopefully end this arguement. I nearly succeeded in doing so, but suddenly, after civil discussion endured for about a page, you decided to come in and start throwing accusations at me and then proceeding to bash me into the ground? And bring up old feuds from the likes of pages one and two? What did you hope to accomplish? Was there not enough hostility already in this thread? Was the idea of it ending that painful to you?

And you have the nerve to tell *me* to grow up. Puh. I really do hope this post helps you comprehend just what the hell is going on.
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So going by your last post, it's okay for me to not like WoW, but I can't post saying that I don't like WoW, because that's "FANNING the flames." Maybe that's not what you meant, but given my history with this thread, that seems to be about right.


What am I supposed to think when the WoW Gestapo shows up from out of nowhere on our forum to quash the negative words spoken by one of our long-time members? So he thinks the radio station is dumb. Big deal! He's allowed to like and dislike what he wants to. I think the idea of a WoW radio station is pointless, just like a Star Wars radio station would be pointless. That's just what I think.

A long-time member here (one who really doesn't post that often, I might add) writes about three lines about how he thinks WoW Radio is sad, and all of a sudden the WoW guys flock here to start a fight and, basically, to get us to apologize. Which is worse, posting on one's own forum and saying he doesn't like something, or the supporters invading another site and demanding an apology? If one of our members were to go to the WoW forums to demand an apology for their bashing Star Wars, I would have the exact same reaction to him.

Some people have insulted WoW and the radio station and have apologized for it. I, personally, won't. Why? Am I being hard-headed? Am I being irrational? I don't see why. I don't like WoW (and that's an opinion formed after playing it), and I think the radio station is a stupid idea. I don't see why I should have to apologize for that.

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Originally posted by: Nanner Split
So going by your last post, it's okay for me to not like WoW, but I can't post saying that I don't like WoW, because that's "FANNING the flames." Maybe that's not what you meant, but given my history with this thread, that seems to be about right.


What am I supposed to think when the WoW Gestapo shows up from out of nowhere on our forum to quash the negative words spoken by one of our long-time members? So he thinks the radio station is dumb. Big deal! He's allowed to like and dislike what he wants to. I think the idea of a WoW radio station is pointless, just like a Star Wars radio station would be pointless. That's just what I think.

A long-time member here (one who really doesn't post that often, I might add) writes about three lines about how he thinks WoW Radio is sad, and all of a sudden the WoW guys flock here to start a fight and, basically, to get us to apologize. Which is worse, posting on one's own forum and saying he doesn't like something, or the supporters invading another site and demanding an apology? If one of our members were to go to the WoW forums to demand an apology for their bashing Star Wars, I would have the exact same reaction to him.

Some people have insulted WoW and the radio station and have apologized for it. I, personally, won't. Why? Am I being hard-headed? Am I being irrational? I don't see why. I don't like WoW (and that's an opinion formed after playing it), and I think the radio station is a stupid idea. I don't see why I should have to apologize for that.


No, no no. I saw your post as fanning the flames not because you don't like WoW (I actually must have missed where you expressed that opinion) but because after we had begun to quiet down, you came back and started making accusations and telling people to "fucking get over it".

It had nothing to do with what you think of WoW.

Look, I already told you guys that I do not enjoy petty conflict like this. I just don't. So I'm putting myself out here and trying to clarify what I meant, ease tensions, and just end this misunderstanding. I'm asking you to stand with me here and do the same.

The thread, despite your thoughts, is about what HotRod said. We have already solved that issue. I ask of you...please don't turn it into a thread about *your* thoughts, now. :/