The ot.com "If I do this again on the forum, please someone stab me in the eye with an icepick" Thread (Also: The twooffour Discussion Thread) — Page 5

twooffour said:

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

And on top of that, they're all based on something that isn't true.

Don't be a hypocrite.  Prove it or shut the hell up.

The burden of proof lies with the one making the claim.
Religious claims require evidence to be valid, not "proofs of the opposite" to be invalid.

Again, that's rational discourse / skepticism 101 - you REALLY shouldn't be yawning at certain "lectures".

Twobyfour, in a topic where you and I essentially agree, I can't help but really wish we weren't on the same side because you consistently come off sounding like a complete bafoon.

Mrebo said:

twooffour said:

I never claimed ALL sarcasm was this. Please quote me on saying that.

Want to know something HILARIOUS? I never claimed that you claimed that "ALL" sarcasm "was this."

I would never claim such insipid BULLSHIT.

You say plenty deserving this characterization.

[blathering]

Simple enough? Or do you need more Sensible Conversation 101?
All sarcasm is non-responsive... I can't believe this.

Maybe because I "NEVER" said what you pretend I said. "I can't believe this." LOL

And the Red, Red Robin Comes Bob, Bob, Bobbing Along.

Well, for the Aspies who may lurk around here (no offense):

"In lieu of responding to 2/4's sarcastic post (wait, doesn't 2/4 habitually criticize sarcasm as defensive and non-responsive? ah, oh well.)"

That bit very strongly insinuates that I'm being hypocritical by being "sarcastic", while "habitually" criticizing this in others.
Well, if you've learned ANYTHING from my response, you now know this is stupid.


If something is stupid, it doesn't matter whether you outright claim it, claim it only to 90%, or insinuate it, "wink wink nudge nudge", it's still stupid.

Sarcasm has NOTHING to do with it. It's ALL about the substance of the content. Sarcasm is a mere expression tool.

CP3S said:

twooffour said:

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

And on top of that, they're all based on something that isn't true.

Don't be a hypocrite.  Prove it or shut the hell up.

The burden of proof lies with the one making the claim.
Religious claims require evidence to be valid, not "proofs of the opposite" to be invalid.

Again, that's rational discourse / skepticism 101 - you REALLY shouldn't be yawning at certain "lectures".

Twobyfour, in a topic where you and I essentially agree, I can't help but really wish we weren't on the same side because you consistently come off sounding like a complete bafoon.

 

All due respect for your experiences and research papers, that's far more expertise than I can claim at this time - but if I have to break down burden of proof to somebody who apparently has no clue (while acting aggressively abot it), then I'm bloody well gonna come off as condescending and arrogant even if you SUE me.

Now that aside, can't we just be like mature adults, and keep agreeing on what we agree on, while still hating each others' guts? ;)
Actually, I take that back, I don't hate yours - your recent posts on this topic were awesome :D

CP3S said:

twooffour said:

TV's Frink said:

twooffour said:

And on top of that, they're all based on something that isn't true.

Don't be a hypocrite.  Prove it or shut the hell up.

The burden of proof lies with the one making the claim.
Religious claims require evidence to be valid, not "proofs of the opposite" to be invalid.

Again, that's rational discourse / skepticism 101 - you REALLY shouldn't be yawning at certain "lectures".

Twobyfour, in a topic where you and I essentially agree, I can't help but really wish we weren't on the same side because you consistently come off sounding like a complete bafoon.

FYI, I'm not on either side, primarily because I have just about zero knowledge of Islam and it wouldn't be proper for me to take a side based on only what I hear in the media...or what your position is ;-)

So... why get offended then.

(About the media remark: a lot of the stuff about Islam, you can hear from themselves, you know.)

Pat Condell is a Vegetarian.

twooffour said:

can't we just be like mature adults

Buddy, I spend most of my time around kids, getting to carry on conversation with mature adults is something I always really look forward to on evenings and weekends. The way you behave doesn't make me feel like I am among adults, it makes me feel like I am on high school detention duty, because that is the only other place I've come across behavior quite like yours. Even the nastiest of drunks I've encounter are far more pleasant than you.

You seem like a typical angsty, know it all teenager who can't see beyond his own opinions. Probably a college freshman, if I had to guess.

twooffour said:

Actually, I take that back, I don't hate yours - your recent posts on this topic were awesome :D

Don't you see how ridiculous that is? Just because you happen to agree with what I am saying, my post is "awesome". If you happened to disagree with it, then you'd be telling me what a dunce I am.

twooffour said:

So... why get offended then.

I'm sorry, but I must refer you to the OP.

Pat Condell is the Satan.

twooffour said:

Pat Condell is the Satan.

Outrage!

He isn't the Satan.

He's just a little bit Satanic around the waistline.

Mrebo said:

twooffour said:

Mrebo said:

twooffour said:

I never claimed ALL sarcasm was this. Please quote me on saying that.

Want to know something HILARIOUS? I never claimed that you claimed that "ALL" sarcasm "was this."

I would never claim such insipid BULLSHIT.

You say plenty deserving this characterization.

[blathering]

Simple enough? Or do you need more Sensible Conversation 101?
All sarcasm is non-responsive... I can't believe this.

Maybe because I "NEVER" said what you pretend I said. "I can't believe this." LOL

And the Red, Red Robin Comes Bob, Bob, Bobbing Along.

Well, for the Aspies who may lurk around here (no offense):

"In lieu of responding to 2/4's sarcastic post (wait, doesn't 2/4 habitually criticize sarcasm as defensive and non-responsive? ah, oh well.)"

That bit very strongly insinuates that I'm being hypocritical by being "sarcastic", while "habitually" criticizing this in others.
Well, if you've learned ANYTHING from my response, you now know this is stupid.


If something is stupid, it doesn't matter whether you outright claim it, claim it only to 90%, or insinuate it, "wink wink nudge nudge", it's still stupid.

Sarcasm has NOTHING to do with it. It's ALL about the substance of the content. Sarcasm is a mere expression tool.

It strongly insinuates that you wrongly deride people's sarcasm when that sarcasm is justified. What I "learned" from your post is that you can offer reasoning to support the use of sarcasm. What you miss is that the same reasoning supports sarcasm used by many of us that you've derided in the past. You fail to recognize that.

I would have been easier if you just admit you misread my post than trying to find a reason to call what I wrote stupid. But you're missing the point that the sarcasm you've dismissed is justified for the reasons you now offer.

Your post says nothing about how justified someone's sarcasum is.

But you know what, granted.
I usually have the "habit" of expaining in (painful, to everyone here) detail why I claim someone's sarcasm to be invalid, or compensatory, or defensive.

But who knows what evils I may have committed in those depths of flames? Those threads were LONG, man!

So please, next time you see me do that, please call me on it! In fact, that's my contribution to this thread - I never want to accuse someone of unjustified sarcsam if it's actually justified (even if I've never done this before)!
But don't expect me to accept it without a fight, should a reason present itself :D

CP3S said:

twooffour said:

can't we just be like mature adults

Buddy, I spend most of my time around kids, getting to carry on conversation with mature adults is something I always really look forward to on evenings and weekends. The way you behave doesn't make me feel like I am among adults, it makes me feel like I am on high school detention duty, because that is the only other place I've come across behavior quite like yours. Even the nastiest of drunks I've encounter are far more pleasant than you.

You seem like a typical angsty, know it all teenager who can't see beyond his own opinions. Probably a college freshman, if I had to guess.

 

twooffour said:

Actually, I take that back, I don't hate yours - your recent posts on this topic were awesome :D

Don't you see how ridiculous that is? Just because you happen to agree with what I am saying, my post is "awesome". If you happened to disagree with it, then you'd be telling me what a dunce I am.

I said it's awesome because it's well articulated, and backed up.
I wouldn't say this about a "yo, you know how tings are in Saudi Aravia, those are all crackpots man", even though I'd agree with its core message.

EDIT:
You know bloody well that I've never called you a dunce simply for "disagreeing", so quit pretending otherwise.

Probably a college freshman, if I had to guess.

Your guess is correct!

Even the nastiest of drunks I've encounter are far more pleasant than you.

Actually, I'm pretty pleasant when I'm drunk. As well as sober.

You seem to be confusing the "yelling, cursing and shaking fists around" kind of "nasty" usually ascribed to drunks, with the "smartass who likes to substantiate why other people are stupid" kind of nasty - and you really shouldn't, because a drunk who's drunk enough to be distinguished as such, certainly wouldn't be able to maintain a coherent train of thought.

who can't see beyond his own opinions.

Don't get me started on "opinions" again.
If someone has a more or less well-substantiated opinion I disagree with, I'm usually pretty civil about it.

Claiming that I haven't read Frink's post, and then later denying you said that, isn't an "opinion", it's dishonesty.
Dissing me in my thread and then claiming I started it, is hypocrisy.
And I have a low tolerance for that.

Buddy, I spend most of my time around kids, getting to carry on conversation with mature adults is something I always really look forward to on evenings and weekends.

Well our "arguments" aren't exactly adult conversations, they're pissing contests about who said what, and who the douche is.

I have no delusions about how childish that is, but that doesn't excuse you for being so sloppy and dishonest about it.

The way you behave doesn't make me feel like I am among adults

Arguing with you makes me feel like I'm talking to a dyslexic.

it makes me feel like I am on high school detention duty, because that is the only other place I've come across behavior quite like yours.

Claiming someone to be a moron without backing it up, not admitting your own mistakes i.e. (I hate to brag about it, but I had no problem with that Lost Fan-Edit thing, did I), are typical tactics that are considered "stupid" and "immature" on internet arguments of ANY kind, and are also frequently found in schoolyard bickerings between 8year olds.


Always remember, you have to be making sense on the internet - but that doesn't mean you can't be childish!

Well, 2/4 has turned yet another thread to shit.

Oh wait, it's everyone else that's the problem.

I'll have a slice...just put it on MU or RS please.

TV's Frink said:

I can't believe I already violated my list, in the very thread dedicated to the list.

*stabs Frink in the eye with an icepick*

It's a little late for that.  But thanks.

CP3S said:

I've read (an English interpretation) of the Koran, lived in an Islamic country, visited other Islamic countries, and opted to write a series of very long research papers on the subject of Islam when I was in university. None of these experiences has ever led me to change my opinions on the religion. It is very backwards and responsible for many of the problems we see in the middle-east. I guess it is nice to hold hands and get all lovey dovey about all religions being good and equal, but that is a bit like putting blinders on and looking the other way. Some things simply shouldn't be ignored, but for the last several years there seems to have been a desperate desire to ignore this one.

just what things have we ignored?  

and you are going to complain about me making assumptions about Conservatives? 

may I remind you that not all Muslims approve of the likes of Bin Laden?   Not all Muslims are terrorists.   

How bout you take a tardis, go back to the 70's and tell Muhammad Ali to his face, that his religion is ridiculous and stupid. 

Warbler said:

CP3S said:

I've read (an English interpretation) of the Koran, lived in an Islamic country, visited other Islamic countries, and opted to write a series of very long research papers on the subject of Islam when I was in university. None of these experiences has ever led me to change my opinions on the religion. It is very backwards and responsible for many of the problems we see in the middle-east. I guess it is nice to hold hands and get all lovey dovey about all religions being good and equal, but that is a bit like putting blinders on and looking the other way. Some things simply shouldn't be ignored, but for the last several years there seems to have been a desperate desire to ignore this one.

just what things have we ignored?  

Many people tend to ignore, or turn a blind eye, to the stupidities, bigotries and immoral views inherent to Islam, and represented by many Muslims (Islamists in particular).
Or generally have a soft spot of "respect" towards anything religious.

If you don't do that, bloody well for you.

may I remind you that not all Muslims approve of the likes of Bin Laden?   Not all Muslims are terrorists.

How bout you take a tardis, go back to the 70's and tell Muhammad Ali to his face, that his religion is ridiculous and stupid.

As I don't really rank the truth about Muhammad Ali's opinions on anything, very highly on my priority list, here's something he said according to Wikipedia:


"Indeed, Ali's religious beliefs at the time included the notion that the white man was "the devil" and that white people were not "righteous"."

... What a bunch of SCHLOCK.

TV's Frink said:

Well, 2/4 has turned yet another thread to shit.

Oh wait, it's everyone else that's the problem.

I'm wondering... have you really forgot that you've started this thread with a flamebait towards me, or are you really this stupid?

Davnes007 said:

twooffour said:

Always remember, you have to be making sense on the... internet...

That's a pretty high ideal.

 

 

...Especially considering you haven't met that 'ideal' yourself.

It's pretty much a requirement if you want to argue about a particular subject without being totally lame, be it some external topic, or calling someone else an idiot. ESPECIALLY if you're gonna call someone else an idiot.

Things must, must, always be backed up :D

I may be wrong on occasion (like once very recently), but I always make the effort to substantiate my claims and insults, which I can't claim of some others here.
Because just saying "no, you're dumb" doesn't make it so, it makes you look like a doofus - and apparently some people on this board don't really grasp that yet.


"Making sense" is determined by the arguments. No arguments, no sense :D

twooffour said:

TV's Frink said:

Well, 2/4 has turned yet another thread to shit.

Oh wait, it's everyone else that's the problem.

I'm wondering... have you really forgot that you've started this thread with a flamebait towards me, or are you really this stupid?

Don't call Frink stupid! Only people who actually are like yourself can be called that!

Ziggy Stardust said:

twooffour said:

TV's Frink said:

Well, 2/4 has turned yet another thread to shit.

Oh wait, it's everyone else that's the problem.

I'm wondering... have you really forgot that you've started this thread with a flamebait towards me, or are you really this stupid?

Don't call Frink stupid! Only people who actually are like yourself can be called that!

Siiiiiiiiiiiiiigh, okay, for the 100th time:

Saying something that amounts to "no, x is not stupid, you are stupid!" without any argumentation whatsoever = the way a moron talks.

And that right after I said this?
Because just saying "no, you're dumb" doesn't make it so, it makes you look like a doofus - and apparently some people on this board don't really grasp that yet.

Wow. I mean... it's a TRAP!!!.. yea...
Congratulations, hope you're feeling well & fuzzy in your little club there.

TV's Frink said:

Well, 2/4 has turned yet another thread to shit.

Oh wait, it's everyone else that's the problem.