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The music in the prequels.

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I thought the music was mostly crap. It didn't have the same theme of the OOT that I like. I heard that John Williams didn't enjoy making the music in the prequels and it shows. It sucked. I didn't like it that John included lyrics into the music it just made it sound like a cheap attempt at trying to convey drama. So cliche. I hated it.
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Your responses to existing threads are bad enough without having to deal with you hiccuping new threads every time you have an itch.

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Ha, that's funny, I thought the PT score was one of the few strong things about those films. If anything, the down-to-the-wire editing of the films was the music's downfall. That can hardly be blamed on Williams (look at AOTC for the worst offenses).

I don't think the PT scores were as good as the OT scores, but they were still pretty solid. They were definitely "interesting." In many cases, they didn't carry the same tone as the OT scores, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. For example, it seems like the OT scores were more "brassy" while the PT scores favored the use of more woodwind instrumention. Lots more choral work, indeed. We also have some interesting musical choices throughout (including the electric guitar during the speeder chase in AOTC, that "Arabic" sounding music during the arrival on Tatooine in the same film, synthesizer in "Padme's Ruminations," etc.)

I didn't like it that John included lyrics into the music it just made it sound like a cheap attempt at trying to convey drama.


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C'mon now, this is the first thread in which he hasn't threatened to s** Mr. L****, isn't it? Let's encourage more of that!

I thought TPM had several memorable themes and underscoring; if I could listen to it without associating it with the movie, I might like it more. AotC had a decent love theme, but I don't own the album. There's a good-enough statement of that theme in the next movie. RotS had lots of good action music and some genuinely creepy stuff -- I'm thinking about the opera, the Night Skies-like scene, and the dirge segueing into the Imperial March (shamefully absent from the CD!).

This is going to sound kind of contradictory, but here's some of the things I didn't really like about the prequel scores:

1. Reuse of themes. I wanted to hear a new main title theme, to differentiate the PT from the OT and to maintain the integrity of the Main Titles as Luke's Theme. Imagine, ten years from now, some kid watches the PT and kind of likes it. Then he puts in Episode IV, hears a completely new, bombastic, exciting score and reads the words, "A New Hope." That could've been awesome.

Some of the music reuse seemed inappropriate. Duel of the Fates playing during Anakin's swoop ride, or the ESB stuff tracked into the Yoda/Palpatine fight.

2. No reuse of themes. Where was the Boba Fett motif? The droid motif? The original Imperial Theme? This was the perfect opportunity to develop those. At least we got to hear neat things happen to Jabba's and Palpatine's themes. How odd that the most stirring march we got out of the whole thing was the Flag Parade!
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I thought the music was weaker in the PT than the OT. However you can't compare Hans Zimmer to John Williams. All of John's music is created naturally by an orchestra while Hans Zimmer's music has a lot of synths in it, that are created by computers. These are two totally different composing styles and as such can not be compared in the same category of music.


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Originally posted by: Weezer12
Ha, that's funny, I thought the PT score was one of the few strong things about those films. If anything, the down-to-the-wire editing of the films was the music's downfall. That can hardly be blamed on Williams (look at AOTC for the worst offenses).


Agreed. The basic melodies were alright, but the arrangements were poorly done. The random flow of AotC and RotS didn't help either.

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Boris, is that supoosed to be funny or a crude remark? I can't tell.


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I wanted to hear a new main title theme, to differentiate the PT from the OT and to maintain the integrity of the Main Titles as Luke's Theme. Imagine, ten years from now, some kid watches the PT and kind of likes it. Then he puts in Episode IV, hears a completely new, bombastic, exciting score and reads the words, "A New Hope." That could've been awesome.



What would you want it to sound like? Can you think of any other movie themes you'd compare it to?
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Not really. Leitmotif would suggest that it be an arrangement of Anakin's theme or the Force theme, since both Anakin and the Jedi Knights were the stars of the PT. Of the two, I favor the Force theme: Its use in the OT is almost always retrospective or sad, recalling the doomed heroism of the Jedi. An upbeat, brassy version of it in the PT would be set up a nice emotional counterpoint with the more restrained version we hear in, e.g., "Tales of a Jedi Knight." If you want some completely different ideas, I can check out my humble film score collection for a temp track -- but it's really hard to second-guess John Williams.
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As for the PT music, I think I like TPM the best. It sounds so much different from the OT music yet still seems very Star Wars. TPM is such a distance away from the OT that it seems like a completely different story by itself and having very few themes cross over in the score makes it more interesting. If I remeber right, besides the title theme, only the force theme, the sith theme and a quiet rendition of Vader's theme show up in TPM. All the rest is new, interesting and very different like the movie it'self and soon the whole PT.

I'm tired so it may seem like rambling.

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Jabba's theme, too. In "Anakin Defeats Sebulba" on the first release of the soundtrack. And Yoda's in the High Council Meeting.
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Originally posted by: Scruffy
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Not really. Leitmotif would suggest that it be an arrangement of Anakin's theme or the Force theme, since both Anakin and the Jedi Knights were the stars of the PT. Of the two, I favor the Force theme: Its use in the OT is almost always retrospective or sad, recalling the doomed heroism of the Jedi. An upbeat, brassy version of it in the PT would be set up a nice emotional counterpoint with the more restrained version we hear in, e.g., "Tales of a Jedi Knight." If you want some completely different ideas, I can check out my humble film score collection for a temp track -- but it's really hard to second-guess John Williams.


Yeah. It could be similar to the version used in the Throne Room at the end of Star Wars.

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Scruffy, I wouldn't mind if you did look through your "humble" film score collection to get an idea of what a "Prequel Main Titles" would sound like.
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To be perfectly honest, I'd want to audition some of the "golden age" scores that influenced Williams's work on ANH. It seems kind of fitting that the prequels -- described by Lucas as "serials" and chronologically before the originals -- should have a more dated sound.

Unfortunately, I was being quite sincere when I called my collection "humble." But I'll see what I can find.
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Actually, that's a really good idea, looking for "dated" recordings to exemplify that long spoken of "elegant, classical" time that was the PT.

But still, see what you can find, Scruffy.
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True, this was a crap thread to begin with. But there is actually some intelligent discussion going on. Let's leave the annoying pics out of it for now.
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The Planets by Gustav Holst.....i know he took a few parts directly from Mars and maybe Jupiter....maybe. Good music either way and some of it could possibly work into a prequel theme.

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I could see that...but not as the MAIN theme.
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Originally posted by: BadAssKeith
I thought the music was mostly crap. It didn't have the same theme of the OOT that I like. I heard that John Williams didn't enjoy making the music in the prequels and it shows. It sucked. I didn't like it that John included lyrics into the music it just made it sound like a cheap attempt at trying to convey drama. So cliche. I hated it.




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Oh, no ... BAK and JR have discovered each other. We may never get this thread back on track.

Weezer, what do you think about the Superman March (sans Prelude)? It's contemporary with the real SW Main Title, so it's got fairly similar orchestration. It's full of pomp and bombast. I think it "parallels" the real MT, while being significantly different.
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Yeah, I always took that to be pretty SW-ish. I always imagined something akin to the Superman theme representing Anakin in the PT.


However, I expected you to find something obscure and often unheard that might open me up to some new music. Guess not.
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I told you not to expect very much. And I just started.
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