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The most pathetic drivel about the prequels i have ever read. — Page 4

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Ah crap, that'll learn me to read the whole sentence.

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wink-wink smiley only response - but now has text!

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zombie84 said:

Hmm, reusing the same ideas, themes, situations and images from previous movies in later sequels to said movies while also taking them in new and different directions. How novel. Know what they call that in the real world?

A franchise.

 

Hmmm.  I've read your stuff, including the big deal you make of the numerous rewrites Lucas made before settling on a final screenplay (because we all know everyone uses their first drafts all the time.  Ho, and indeed, hum.) and I see you're still making a meal of Lucas using recurring themes in the films to create a kind of symmetry and to show how two people can go on the same journey and make decisions that take them in opposite directions.

Tell me, how many other franchises have done this?  Y'know, telling a story in two halves, thirty years apart, and yet still ensuring mahoosive worldwide success? 

That's some bad hat, Harry
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TheBoost said:

1) Gesture mirrors: “Star Wars: Episode IV” begins with a Blockade Runner that has obviously just escaped a blockade, and “Phantom Menace” begins with a (too) similar ship approaching a blockade, willingly entering it.

Wow... symbolism based on guessing something not in the movie based on knowing the name of a ship when the name never appears in the movie.

 

Also, Obi-Wan and Darth Maul (under all the makeup) are dead ringers

They are?

 

 

Much later, as I began to consider certain very strange scenes in the new trilogy, I realized that they were all elements of a hidden story, adding up to a precise opposite of the original trilogy

This article is like The Da Vinci Code of crap!

ESF said:

That's all Lucas has to say about those shitty films, "They mirror each other like poetry, it's stylistic and bold."

I agree with Lucas here. It is stylistic and bold. Pity it's also crappy.

 

 

 I think the assumption made about the rebel ship escaping a blockade in A New Hope was based on it being called a Blockade Runner.

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Yes, and as TheBoost says, that name never appears anywhere in the film. Keep up.

(Quite apart from the nonsensical notion of a ship whose sole purpose is to run blockades. Did it get frequent use? What happened if a blockade needed to be run while it was in the garage? Was it even any good at its job, given that Vader's Star Destroyer - possibly part of said blockade - intercepted it without any effort at all? So many important questions.)

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Easterhay said:

zombie84 said:

Hmm, reusing the same ideas, themes, situations and images from previous movies in later sequels to said movies while also taking them in new and different directions. How novel. Know what they call that in the real world?

A franchise.

 

Hmmm.  I've read your stuff, including the big deal you make of the numerous rewrites Lucas made before settling on a final screenplay (because we all know everyone uses their first drafts all the time.  Ho, and indeed, hum.)

Show me where I complained about Lucas writing second and third drafts? I'm not a retard, no one uses their first drafts, I was simply showing the writing process. Maybe you haven't read it after all.

and I see you're still making a meal of Lucas using recurring themes in the films to create a kind of symmetry and to show how two people can go on the same journey and make decisions that take them in opposite directions.

Tell me, how many other franchises have done this?  Y'know, telling a story in two halves, thirty years apart, and yet still ensuring mahoosive worldwide success? 

 Actually, Episode I came out 16 years after ROTJ, not 30. But the temporal gap in which the episodes were released was not in question. What was being discussed was the recurring use of themes, characters, situations and images across sequels. And to call this "symphonic" is not only pretentious, but ignorant. It's simply the way franchises work. Way to overlook the whole point. There's no question that Star Wars is unique for the lengthy and backwards way in which the final storyline was told, but that's not what we are talking about.

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Easterhay, what was your username at TFN, just so I have a frame of reference of who I am talking to? 

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CO said:

Easterhay, what was your username at TFN, just so I have a frame of reference of who I am talking to? 

What makes you think he's from TFN?

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I'm pretty sure he is, regardless of whether he admits it. They have a certain type.

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zombie84 said:

I'm pretty sure he is, regardless of whether he admits it. They have a certain type.

Being okay with the prequels and the SE?

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No.

I knew you'd take issue with TFNers having a "type." He's not being accused of being okay with the SE or prequels, there are plenty people here who have those views, including to some degree myself. It's not that everyone there fits into said type, because I am a long-standing member there, just that there is a unique brand of Star Wars fan with particularities that is mainly found at that place. Having been posting there for over a decade, I've come to recognize this. CO was a long-standing member there too, I think like me all the way back into the 1990s, and he would be able to recognize someone from there when he met one.

The fact that this guy is (vaguely) familiar with my work in the past seems to indicate this, as my book was first discussed at that place.

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zombie84 said:

No.

I knew you'd take issue with TFNers having a "type." He's not being accused of being okay with the SE or prequels, there are plenty people here who have those views, including to some degree myself.

Indeed. I only said that because while reading other recents posts here, he gets accused of being a troll for that same reason. Or at least, that's how I perceived it.

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Alexrd said:

 

Being okay with the prequels and the SE?

 Because I know the talking points he is arguing with, as I heard them a ZILLION times when I used to post at TFN.   If you want, I can list the usual tagline arguments I used to hear at TFN.

And as I said earlier, I don't mind someone who disagrees with me (as long as you have a valid argument, but I don't want to hear the usual BS I heard  talking point I heard over at TFN, "These versions are rough drafts."  Those people will believe any BS Lucas says, and repeat it in their posts.  If Lucas said he was inserting Jabba taking a shit in ROTJ, they would defend that too.  :)

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Alexrd said:

 

Indeed. I only said that because while reading other recents posts here, he gets accused of being a troll for that same reason. Or at least, that's how I perceived it.

 He is a troll, because he keeps talking about that he isn't that heartbroken that Lucas isn't releasing the OOT.  Has he checked the name of the website?

It would be like myself going to a place called 'ThePrequelTrilogyFanClub.com" and then start talking shit about the PT to all the members there, and wondering why everyone was mad at me?

 

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CO said:

  If Lucas said he was inserting Jabba taking a shit in ROTJ, they would defend that too.  :)

Well, from what I hear of the blu-rays...

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CO said:

If Lucas said he was inserting Jabba taking a shit in ROTJ, they would defend that too.  :)

By taking a shit I'm guessing you mean he'd shit out a copy of Attack of the Clones! HIGH-FIVE! Anyone....? Anyone....?

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TML said:

CO said:

If Lucas said he was inserting Jabba taking a shit in ROTJ, they would defend that too.  :)

By taking a shit I'm guessing you mean he'd shit out a copy of Attack of the Clones! HIGH-FIVE! Anyone....? Anyone....?

*sigh*

*tap*

 

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CO said:

Alexrd said:

 

Being okay with the prequels and the SE?

 Because I know the talking points he is arguing with, as I heard them a ZILLION times when I used to post at TFN.   If you want, I can list the usual tagline arguments I used to hear at TFN.

And as I said earlier, I don't mind someone who disagrees with me (as long as you have a valid argument, but I don't want to hear the usual BS I heard  talking point I heard over at TFN, "These versions are rough drafts."  Those people will believe any BS Lucas says, and repeat it in their posts.  If Lucas said he was inserting Jabba taking a shit in ROTJ, they would defend that too.  :)

I don't recall Lucas saying that, so it's not a matter of believing in Lucas or not. But even if it was, it is still his opinion. Someone is not a troll for having his own.

CO said:

Alexrd said:

 

Indeed. I only said that because while reading other recents posts here, he gets accused of being a troll for that same reason. Or at least, that's how I perceived it.

 He is a troll, because he keeps talking about that he isn't that heartbroken that Lucas isn't releasing the OOT.  Has he checked the name of the website?

Since when being heartbroken is a requirement for being on this site?

CO said:

It would be like myself going to a place called 'ThePrequelTrilogyFanClub.com" and then start talking shit about the PT to all the members there, and wondering why everyone was mad at me?

Did he do that?

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GUESS

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Alexrd said:

CO said:

Alexrd said:

 

Being okay with the prequels and the SE?

 Because I know the talking points he is arguing with, as I heard them a ZILLION times when I used to post at TFN.   If you want, I can list the usual tagline arguments I used to hear at TFN.

And as I said earlier, I don't mind someone who disagrees with me (as long as you have a valid argument, but I don't want to hear the usual BS I heard  talking point I heard over at TFN, "These versions are rough drafts."  Those people will believe any BS Lucas says, and repeat it in their posts.  If Lucas said he was inserting Jabba taking a shit in ROTJ, they would defend that too.  :)

I don't recall Lucas saying that, so it's not a matter of believing in Lucas or not. But even if it was, it is still his opinion. Someone is not a troll for having his own.

It would be his opinion, but his opinion would be wrong. Anyone who seriously claims 1977's was just a roughdraft is either knowingly baiting, or they actually believe that and are just an idiot. And Lucas did say that.

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zombie84 said:

No.

I knew you'd take issue with TFNers having a "type." He's not being accused of being okay with the SE or prequels, there are plenty people here who have those views, including to some degree myself. It's not that everyone there fits into said type, because I am a long-standing member there, just that there is a unique brand of Star Wars fan with particularities that is mainly found at that place. Having been posting there for over a decade, I've come to recognize this. CO was a long-standing member there too, I think like me all the way back into the 1990s, and he would be able to recognize someone from there when he met one.

The fact that this guy is (vaguely) familiar with my work in the past seems to indicate this, as my book was first discussed at that place.

 

Well, you see it's very dangerous to assume (and given you've written something which is chock-full of assumptions then you should know this above all others).  I actually found your "work" on the internet and contacted you directly (admittedly before I read it) to say thanks and that this was something I'd wanted to read for a long time.  I was expecting an informed essay on the films, something similar to The Magic Of Myth.  Boy was I surprised.  I didn't contact you since because, well, if you have nothing good to say, say nothing. 

Still, I'm very amused to read your above post.  It seems you have your head so far up your own arse you don't know truth from fiction.  Christ alone knows who you think I am but you just keep sweet-talking me, dumpling - you (like the rest of your ilk) are endless fun.

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CO said:

Easterhay, what was your username at TFN, just so I have a frame of reference of who I am talking to? 

What would really help, here, is if you told me what TFN stood for.  Can you do that for me, darling?

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Thanks, Alexrd.  I was considering leaving the forum alone but I think I'll stay now, in the hope that someone can be tolerated for having a different opinion here, and not be called a "troll" or a "dick" (amazing that such insults fly over the moderators' heads) just for going against the grain on some issues.

For the record (really, for the intellectually challenged - and they shout the loudest here so they know who they are), I think the original originals should be given a Blu-ray release.  They should be packaged with every version of the films that come out, because I think it's startling to see how they started out and how many revisions have been made to them since their respective release dates.  There's clearly enough people who want them, so why not? 

And then we shall have peace.

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