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Yes, the piece that plays during Anakin's death in ROTJ would be a perfect mirror for his "death" in ROTS.

Ringo, currently I am uncertain of who exactly is in charge of the ranch, but I think it is commander courage. As far as who are members of the ranch, I guess there are some unofficial ones but the general idea has always been for brain storming from community, not just the editors. Current state of development is or was absolutely nothing. It was originally planned to make all six films, filling in and ironing out all the plot holes and making a complete saga. At one point Trooperman's episode II edit was going to be the ranch Ep. II, if this is still the case then I guess you could say the ranch is pretty close (but yet painfully far) from finishing one. Of course we have not seen Shroud of the Darkside yet, so we don't know how it turned out. Also if we use Shroud, TM will have to dub the voice of Anakin for Ep. III.

"Are you guys actually doing all 6 films or rather tagging other works as 'ranch aproved'?

The ranched approved thing has never been part of the plan as far as I know.


EDIT: d'oh! Looks like Musicman beat me to answering Ringo's questions. Sorry about the redundant data.

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Okay thanx. As far as having nothing actually done yet, that's good to hear. I've had ideas for a saga edit for some time, and while I can't say i agree with everything that's been said for the most part the ranch seems headed in at least an interesting direction. Just hard to get a bearing on things from outside the circle.
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Who are the current members of the ranch? - and what are their roles?
As others have said, Commander Courage is the project leader. But let's not forget that after SOTDS is complete, Trooperman will lend *some* of his talent to us - if nothing else, his voice for Anakin in ROTS.

What we've really needed is a *committed* visual effects person, and Adywan has offered his awesome services after he's finished with his Episode IV. Since Trooperman was able to get a little help from TJdavis, he might be willing to pitch in for the rest of the Ranch's work (IIRC, TJdavis was our original effects person).

Erik, you're still in story and running the site, correct?
I like to consider myself the resident nitpicker, but others here might have different names for me And yes, I am running the website, but we haven't done that much with it lately.

At one point Trooperman's episode II edit was going to be the ranch Ep. II

Trooperman's work on SOTDS was the genesis of the Ranch. As far as I know, he is still part of the Ranch. He still uses the Starkiller Ranch logo in his trailers.

Are you guys actually doing all 6 films or rather tagging other works as 'ranch aproved'?


We've never discussed the "Ranch Approved" label. I confess I threw out the Adywan idea to see how people might react to it. I personally think ANH will require the least amount of tweaking anyway.

I thought ADM's (ROTS) dialogue was pretty good, but the voice could've been a bit quieter. It stood out just a bit.


I thought the dialog could have been a little better, but I realize the sources are limited. And I thought the Qui-Gon dialog after Yoda's confrontation with Palpatine was a little out of place.

Marvolo, I haven't had time to watch your video clip yet, but I will comment when I do.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Okay, I threw together a quick edit of what I had in mind for the ending of Episode III, just to show how it works. This was thrown together in just a little over five minutes so it is pretty rough, and it needs a lot of work on the music, but if you watch it you will get the idea. I was actually pleased to see it fit together pretty well, better than I had hoped. I actually don't think it would turn out to be that abrupt of an ending after all.

ROTS ending

Another part I am trying a few things with to see what can be done to improve is the death of Windu and the turn of Anakin. I played around with that scene a little today, and I found a few things that might improve that scene a little.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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If I remember correctly erickstormtrooper made a new cut of the windu/palpatine duel that greatly improved it. The most notable of the edits was cutting away to anakin after palp's spinning leap forward to remove the s l o w stab that my grandmother could have blocked....

update: that was darkhelmet's edit in ericstormtrooper's Ep 3 thread...
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Originally posted by: stossmo
If I remember correctly erickstormtrooper made a new cut of the windu/palpatine duel that greatly improved it. The most notable of the edits was cutting away to anakin after palp's spinning leap forward to remove the s l o w stab that my grandmother could have blocked....


I didn't make that clip. Darkhelmet did. I do still have it hosted on my site:
http://www.erikstormtrooper.com/jedi_confront_palpatine.wmv

I do think it improves the scene.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Yeah, it runs a little smoother and faster, I noticed (not having watched ROTS in aeons, well, since all there was was the Russian telecine and the workprint) that "Power, unlimited power" was reduced...and that part didn't work right anyway.

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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That clip from Erikstormtrooper's site was interesting. My idea had been to clip the whole thing to be a one on one showdown with Mace confronting Palps on his own, but putting the Anakin scene helps. I don't think any of the Jedi should be killed off screen though, it kind of cheapens the scene. I just wish all three of them did not have the EXACT same dying groan and look on there faces. The transformation of Palps is the impossible one though, no matter what is done it will still drag the quality of the movie down a few notches.

Anybody get a chance to watch the clips Marvolo and I posted?

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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I liked the clip Marvolo did. The flow worked for me. I havent watched your clip C3PX yet. It is on my thumb drive and I can't find it at the moment.
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Thanks for the kind words, Sluggo. I cut out some of the shots with Anikan on the bank to speed the scene up and because some of Hayden's acting wasn't up to par I thought. Also, I removed some shots of Anikan buring, because I didn't think they were all nessescary.


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If someone can find a way to get rid of that twisting leap, I'd be glad.

Having that roar/scream go over into the next shots doesn't quite work either.

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.

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Aargh! I just lost everything I just typed...

I definitely think we should go with Ep. III next. As someone said, Ep. I is pretty far removed from the actual meat of the story. The OT is already great, in my opinion. The logical next step after Ep. II is to continue and tackle the cringeworthy badness that is Ep. III. As I finish up Ep. II over the next couple months, I think it'd be good to discuss some basic plot points.

Big ones:

-How do we make Anakin's turn (and subsequent stay through Ep. III-VI) to the Dark Side believable and logical?
-Does Darth Maul=General Grievous? If so, how? If not, how do we salvage that whole section of Ep. III (without filming new footage- I don't have a Panavision handy)

With Adywan onboard, he has the SPFX tools and knowledge to make more radical changes possible.

Also, cinematography-wise, Ep. III is a huge improvement over Ep. II, especially for the Anakin/Palpatine scenes (which I wish there were more of). Less work there.

Also, GoodMusician's complete Ep. III score will make music much easier than it was with Ep. II. I wound up replacing the majority of the music for SOTDS, simply because the tracks were hacked up and mixed far too low in the soundtrack. And as GoodMusician said, very little music has been released otherwise. So that'll be a lot easier.

And I'll be back for Anakin, along with all of the other actors in SOTDS, as far as I know. So it looks like things would be set to go after SOTDS. I'm kind of tired of doing this right now, but I'm sure I'll help edit part of the movie. I relish the idea of redoing the scenes involving Anakin. Thinking about fixing the Grievous scenes, lightsaber-fighting Yoda, and etc. just gives me a headache at this point.

But that's stuff to be worked out later. Now if those two basic points can be hammered out, we'll have a starting spot

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“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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As far as the Maul Grievouse thing, I have no input. The whole idea sounds a little EU to me, but I understand the purpose of making Grievous a valid character. If you guys have the tech and ability to pull it off, I will anxiously await seeing it.

As far as Anakin's turn to the dark side, and making it believable and logical. That is going to be, as everybody already knows, the most challenging and difficult part of this edit (right there along with Palp's face distortment, but they are in the same scene).

Has anybody had any new ideas on this recently? The best I can think of is for the turn to take place mentally while Anakin is staring out the window, then runs straight to the aid of Palpy, slashing Mace's hand off, then the "I pledge myself to you" line. Still pretty weak though, but it at least seems like he made a concious decision to turn. There is still no logic to be found though. I think it would be better to have Anakin kill Windu completely, with none of Palpatine's unlimited power crap, perhaps by knocking him off the edge. I guess that would involve editing out force lightning though.

A dream come true would be the release of the original scene where Palp grabs Anakin's lightsaber to fight off the Jedi while he stands and watches.

Anybody have any ideas on making Palpatine's transformation less lame?

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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I'm definitely going to cut "Power, unlimited power" and "I pledge myself to your teachings" from my own cut...

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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Originally posted by: C3PX
As far as the Maul Grievouse thing, I have no input. The whole idea sounds a little EU to me, but I understand the purpose of making Grievous a valid character. If you guys have the tech and ability to pull it off, I will anxiously await seeing it.

As far as Anakin's turn to the dark side, and making it believable and logical. That is going to be, as everybody already knows, the most challenging and difficult part of this edit (right there along with Palp's face distortment, but they are in the same scene).

Has anybody had any new ideas on this recently? The best I can think of is for the turn to take place mentally while Anakin is staring out the window, then runs straight to the aid of Palpy, slashing Mace's hand off, then the "I pledge myself to you" line. Still pretty weak though, but it at least seems like he made a concious decision to turn. There is still no logic to be found though. I think it would be better to have Anakin kill Windu completely, with none of Palpatine's unlimited power crap, perhaps by knocking him off the edge. I guess that would involve editing out force lightning though.

Maybe you could morph the scene where Anakin walks in on Mace and Palpy with a later scene where the lightning is already going. Anakin walks up and does a 'force-push' and Mace goes bye-bye.

A dream come true would be the release of the original scene where Palp grabs Anakin's lightsaber to fight off the Jedi while he stands and watches.

Anybody have any ideas on making Palpatine's transformation less lame?


Maybe we could matte in a big bucket of hydrochloric acid on Palpy's desk, and with some clever edits, Mace trips Palpy and splash! Huge laughs! Lets do it!!
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Originally posted by: Trooperman
Aargh! I just lost everything I just typed...

I definitely think we should go with Ep. III next. As someone said, Ep. I is pretty far removed from the actual meat of the story. The OT is already great, in my opinion. The logical next step after Ep. II is to continue and tackle the cringeworthy badness that is Ep. III. As I finish up Ep. II over the next couple months, I think it'd be good to discuss some basic plot points.

Big ones:

-How do we make Anakin's turn (and subsequent stay through Ep. III-VI) to the Dark Side believable and logical?
-Does Darth Maul=General Grievous? If so, how? If not, how do we salvage that whole section of Ep. III (without filming new footage- I don't have a Panavision handy)

With Adywan onboard, he has the SPFX tools and knowledge to make more radical changes possible.

Also, cinematography-wise, Ep. III is a huge improvement over Ep. II, especially for the Anakin/Palpatine scenes (which I wish there were more of). Less work there.

Also, GoodMusician's complete Ep. III score will make music much easier than it was with Ep. II. I wound up replacing the majority of the music for SOTDS, simply because the tracks were hacked up and mixed far too low in the soundtrack. And as GoodMusician said, very little music has been released otherwise. So that'll be a lot easier.

And I'll be back for Anakin, along with all of the other actors in SOTDS, as far as I know. So it looks like things would be set to go after SOTDS. I'm kind of tired of doing this right now, but I'm sure I'll help edit part of the movie. I relish the idea of redoing the scenes involving Anakin. Thinking about fixing the Grievous scenes, lightsaber-fighting Yoda, and etc. just gives me a headache at this point.

But that's stuff to be worked out later. Now if those two basic points can be hammered out, we'll have a starting spot


As far as Maul/Grievous goes, if we're going to do it, then...I hate to say it, but I think we would need a scene in SOTDS with Dooku. Perhaps we can splice together some Christopher Lee dialogue and stick it in the meeting with Palpatine at the end? But however it gets done, I think it would be necessary to have it in there. Either that, or you'll have to stick something in Episode I or Episode III to acknowledge that this has been happening. From there, I'm not sure what to do other than what has been said in the most recent discussion of this, with some dialogue over the close-ups in Utapau. We are, of course, freed up quite a bit with what Grievous can say because there is no mouth to be dictated by.


Now, as far as the turn...hmm. It seems like the best course of action is what C3PX said--have the turn happen in the chamber. However, I'm about to go into a little more thought-process detail here and stuff. It seems like if we're going to execute something, we need to get figured out why stuff is happening. This is just my two cents on the issue, so take it or leave it--I'm the music editor. If I wax incoherent, bear with me.

As I think about it, Anakin was just saying he would've liked to kill Palpatine. Then he goes and tells Mace. Doesn't sound like he's planning to turn anytime soon. But, I think one thing that would push him over at least partially is Mace's "If what you say is true, you'll have earned my trust" line. What, I haven't earned it already?! What the crap?! And then he puts on a good face, and goes into the chamber like Mace said, and stews over all this. He's taking it all in. He goes over everything. He hates the situation. He doesn't want this to have to happen (and his dissatisfaction becomes clear in his talk with Padme, talking of overthrowing Palpatine). Finally he gets to "They don't trust me anyway...I might as well save Padme." Of course, we don't know all this is happening, but that's part of the whole thing.

But as a help to elevate it, I think music can help in these kinds of scenes. I'm thinking we can put an altered form of the section from 7:13-8:11 of "Rescue From Cloud City/Hyperspace" from the ESB score to underscore the ruminations scene. Listen particularly to the statement of the Imperial March that starts at 7:47 to see what I mean. It's a churning, disturbed segment of music, and it really could underline the turmoil inside Anakin is he tries to figure out what he's going to do--it kind of gives us a peek inside him as the Dark Side pulls on him. The end of the section would segue into the "I Am the Senate" cue which begins when Anakin starts to leave the Jedi Temple.

So, all that struggling he does in front of Mace and Palpatine in the original ROTS is done in the chamber now, like C3PX said. I think adding that ESB music will really make that scene in our cut. Somehow we handle the arrest attempt (the clip on Erik's site was pretty good, although we may want to do some tweaking), and then Anakin arrives. Like C3PX said, Anakin basically charges in there. I think it would be nice though if before that happens, we have a brief shot of Anakin taking in the scene, maybe bracing himself in a "here goes nothing" kind of way, and then charging in. Now, whether he should kill Mace directly or not, I personally am undecided. It would definitely be a powerful moment, but then there's the lightning all over Mace. If nothing else, I suppose it would be an improvement just for Anakin not to talk about it, but...hmm. It's a pickle.

I'm glad you'll be back, Trooperman! Yes, it's amazing the amount of music that we've gotten. I actually have an edit of the score myself. It's got a couple rough spots, though. And GoodMusician is bound to have found some useful alternate takes and such that make my job easier...

We still definitely need to soften the picture on ROTS, but yeah, the Mustafar duel, for instance is actually pretty okay looking. Sometimes it gets out there, but it's pretty good. It's just a matter of making it look more like film.

Sadly, I haven't gotten to view the clips yet. I look forward to checking them out.

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Musicman, your idea for the music to reflect Anakin's inner turmoil is great. Pretty obvious to. Makes me wonder why I didn't think of it myself... or why it never crossed George's mind. That music would make an incredible improvement. Another thought I had once was to have Anakin in the chamber thinking things over and to have audio clips echoing through his head. Yoda telling him fear is the path to the dark side, Padme saying she loves his, Padme reassuring him she wont die, Anakin's mother's last words, I won't let you die Padme, the sith have even learned to keep people from dying. This line "keep people from dying" by Palpatine could echo a couple of time, music crescendos, Anakin takes off running to rescue his new master. His mind is made up. Sounds good on paper. That may be the best we can do. What do the rest of you think of the "verbal flashbacks"? Think they will work? Or would it be better to use just music?

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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I'm not opposed to the voice flashbacks, so long as they are done right. Are you thinking of putting some Episode 2 dialogue? Padme's line of "You are not all powerful" might work nicely there. I think the idea is worth playing with.

Otherwise, the musical themes are the way to go.
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OK. Lots of good stuff to reply to.

About Anakin's turn: I've also been thinking that Anakin's turn should happen in the Council chamber, with the aid of echo-y voiceovers to let us know what he's thinking about (heavy on the Palpatine dialog). Using some better "disturbed" music is a great idea too. Although Anakin's turn has been gradual, I think we still need a moment when it actually happens, DELIBERATELY. The music should really let the viewer know that, when he walks out of the room, he's made up his mind. Are there any long shots of Anakin in the chamber where we can add some Trooperman voice work, like "I can't let this happen"?

I know this is a little weak for the turn, but I don't see that we have much else.

(As an aside, we should play up Anakin's jealousy of Obi Wan and suspicion that he and Padme have a thing going on. The birth of the rebellion deleted scene where they meet with Palpatine is good for this).

OK. So when Anakin walks in on the Palpatine fight, he's already made up his mind about what he has to do. I'll use the "Jedi Confront Palpatine" clip (which I discovered was made by OT.com member Darkhelmet) as the basis of this:
Anakin walks in - long shot.
Mace: (to Palpatine) You have lost.
Anakin steps close.
Mace: I am going to end this once and for all.
Mace rears saber back.
Palpatine (voiceover): Anakin!
Anakin says "NO" and cuts off Mace's arm.
Palpatine fries Mace (and himself) and throws mace out the window.
After this, Anakin does not express any remorse or question himself.
(BTW, the whole Palpatine transformation thing is a mess. I think Darkhelmet handles it pretty well. It's not perfect, but it sorta works.)

Some more thoughts on the lava scene: After watching Marvolo and C3PX's clips, I thought they were both pretty good. However, something about the fades in C3PX's version felt a little weird. (Do we have any other fades in Star Wars?) In C3PX's clip, I did like the idea that we don't see the Emperor come and get Anakin. That always felt a little too mundane. Maybe after the shot of the hand grabbing the ground, we can see the shadow of the shuttle passing over.

I was struck by the lack of the Vader reconstruction. I think this is a very powerful moment that needs to stay in some form. (And let's keep the awesome "Lord Vader, RISE" from the trailer.)

I had another small edit idea for the lava scene. Obi Wan should stay "closer" the whole time he is talking and watching Anakin "die". Only after he thinks Anakin is dead (whether he is or not) does he starts walking up, PICKS UP THE SABER, and pauses at a higher level to look for a moment. A rotoscoped shot of a stationary "dead" Anakin can go here as Obi Wan looks on, and then he walks off as we get the wide shot that pulls away (obviously mute the Anakin wails).

Thoughts on Grievous/Maul: I think this is a good idea, IF it can be pulled off. If nothing else, it helps to give Episode I a little more meaning, and it reinforces Palpatine's obsession with keeping his apprentices alive in a mehcanical suit. The trick is to come up with some kind of scene in Episode II where Palpatine talks about or shows this. Maybe at the end on Coruscant when Palpatine is talking to Dooku and they are walking off, we can just cobble together some lines where Palpatine says something like "I have promising news of Darth Grievous. The Dark Side of the Force has restored him". Trooperman?

If we do this, should we have Dooku remain "Count Dooku" and not be Darth Tyranus? Sort of like he's working for Sidious, but not an "official" apprentice.

OK. That's enough for now.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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There was a fade out in star wars as luke leads the droids to the workshop -fadeout- 3po descending into the oil bath, cant recall any others though...
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There are a lot of fades. The ones I used in that clip are the same style fades used to transition to those scenes on the original DVD. I noticed with Revenge of the Sith they were extremely repetitive with their transitions. That closing circle one is used to transition to the funeral, then to the star destroyer scene, then to baby Leia, and finally to baby Luke. Probably the reason my transitions seemed weird is because I used womble with the cross-fade option.

The reason I didn't include anything of the birth of Vader is because I had keeping the "I am your father" revelation as best as possible in mind. I kind of like the first Darth Vader scene to be the part in Episode 4 where he bursts into the Tantive IV. I think that is a fantastic introduction scene. The birth of Vader felt like a rushed CG fest to me. It is like Palps had an instant Vader maker lying around for just such an occasion. Throw in the half dead, charred body of a fallen comrade and presto! Out pops your very own Sith Lord! I just didn't like how he spends a few minutes on the table as a bunch of droids throw artificial appendages on him, and slip a leather suit right onto his freshly burnt and still melty skin. Then he stands up and everything is fine. I would have imagined months of rebuilding with some of the republics finest physicians. I think it is kind of cool not to know what happens or even how he survives. In the next movie a new villian is introduced, and as time goes on we slowly learn it is actually Anakin.

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I am going to try to throw a quick video together of the Anikan turn utilizing some of the ideas in here and some I have thought up. I will post it later.


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Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
OK. Lots of good stuff to reply to.

About Anakin's turn: I've also been thinking that Anakin's turn should happen in the Council chamber, with the aid of echo-y voiceovers to let us know what he's thinking about (heavy on the Palpatine dialog). Using some better "disturbed" music is a great idea too. Although Anakin's turn has been gradual, I think we still need a moment when it actually happens, DELIBERATELY. The music should really let the viewer know that, when he walks out of the room, he's made up his mind. Are there any long shots of Anakin in the chamber where we can add some Trooperman voice work, like "I can't let this happen"?

Thanks, to everybody! So are you thinking we should change the start of the "I Am the Senate" cue? That section from ESB does a rising string thing that would show that something's going down, but I don't know about the beginning of the IATS cue.

(As an aside, we should play up Anakin's jealousy of Obi Wan and suspicion that he and Padme have a thing going on. The birth of the rebellion deleted scene where they meet with Palpatine is good for this).

Yeah, I think so. That becomes a big issue when Obi-Wan appears the top of the ramp. I think all the Rebellion scenes should be reinserted like in ADM's cut.

OK. So when Anakin walks in on the Palpatine fight, he's already made up his mind about what he has to do. I'll use the "Jedi Confront Palpatine" clip (which I discovered was made by OT.com member Darkhelmet) as the basis of this:
Anakin walks in - long shot.
Mace: (to Palpatine) You have lost.
Anakin steps close.
Mace: I am going to end this once and for all.
Mace rears saber back.
Palpatine (voiceover): Anakin!
Anakin says "NO" and cuts off Mace's arm.
Palpatine fries Mace (and himself) and throws mace out the window.
After this, Anakin does not express any remorse or question himself.
(BTW, the whole Palpatine transformation thing is a mess. I think Darkhelmet handles it pretty well. It's not perfect, but it sorta works.)

Sounds good.

Some more thoughts on the lava scene: After watching Marvolo and C3PX's clips, I thought they were both pretty good. However, something about the fades in C3PX's version felt a little weird. (Do we have any other fades in Star Wars?) In C3PX's clip, I did like the idea that we don't see the Emperor come and get Anakin. That always felt a little too mundane. Maybe after the shot of the hand grabbing the ground, we can see the shadow of the shuttle passing over.

That sounds pretty good.

I was struck by the lack of the Vader reconstruction. I think this is a very powerful moment that needs to stay in some form. (And let's keep the awesome "Lord Vader, RISE" from the trailer.)


I definitely think it should be somewhere. C3PX does have a valid point, but if nothing else, it should be in as a flashback. And, yes, it was a disappointment when the "RISE" moment wasn't in the movie.

I had another small edit idea for the lava scene. Obi Wan should stay "closer" the whole time he is talking and watching Anakin "die". Only after he thinks Anakin is dead (whether he is or not) does he starts walking up, PICKS UP THE SABER, and pauses at a higher level to look for a moment. A rotoscoped shot of a stationary "dead" Anakin can go here as Obi Wan looks on, and then he walks off as we get the wide shot that pulls away (obviously mute the Anakin wails).


Now I'm wondering what we want to do about the whole bank dialogue. I've heard other people talk about how it was rough to see Anakin burning up and having Obi-Wan yell at him at the same time. So we need to figure out what's going on with Obi-Wan. What's his thought process--does he have a thought process at this point, or is he just kind of snapping? He hasn't been able to get Anakin to stop, and he's just breaking under the strain. I don't know. I'm really not sure about it.

Thoughts on Grievous/Maul: I think this is a good idea, IF it can be pulled off. If nothing else, it helps to give Episode I a little more meaning, and it reinforces Palpatine's obsession with keeping his apprentices alive in a mehcanical suit. The trick is to come up with some kind of scene in Episode II where Palpatine talks about or shows this. Maybe at the end on Coruscant when Palpatine is talking to Dooku and they are walking off, we can just cobble together some lines where Palpatine says something like "I have promising news of Darth Grievous. The Dark Side of the Force has restored him". Trooperman?


Yep. It seems like the end is the place for it.

If we do this, should we have Dooku remain "Count Dooku" and not be Darth Tyranus? Sort of like he's working for Sidious, but not an "official" apprentice.


That's not so much of an issue for me. I wouldn't really mind it either way.

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Originally posted by: musicman
Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
OK. Lots of good stuff to reply to.


Thoughts on Grievous/Maul: I think this is a good idea, IF it can be pulled off. If nothing else, it helps to give Episode I a little more meaning, and it reinforces Palpatine's obsession with keeping his apprentices alive in a mehcanical suit. The trick is to come up with some kind of scene in Episode II where Palpatine talks about or shows this. Maybe at the end on Coruscant when Palpatine is talking to Dooku and they are walking off, we can just cobble together some lines where Palpatine says something like "I have promising news of Darth Grievous. The Dark Side of the Force has restored him". Trooperman?


Yep. It seems like the end is the place for it.

If we do this, should we have Dooku remain "Count Dooku" and not be Darth Tyranus? Sort of like he's working for Sidious, but not an "official" apprentice.


That's not so much of an issue for me. I wouldn't really mind it either way.


Is Dooku ever actually called Darth in these movies? As far as I know, the only 2 places he is called Tyranus is by Jango in his apartment and in the Coruscant hanger by Sidious, and neither time was with the title Darth. Otherwise those folks who insist on the 'rule of two' will riot. Not that I'm concerned about any of that. Only concern is Jango's line then about Tyranus. Seems like the kind of thing we ought to tie up and not leave hanging.

We sure have big plans for Trooperman's movie. I wonder if he knows...