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I suspect that Starkiller Ranch will actually begin with SOTDS. Unless there's another release scheduled for the next couple months that I'm not aware of!

As for ROTJ, I might wait for the release of the "ROTJ- .83" edition. I think he has some interesting ideas as well.

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I definately think that we should wait for the .83 edition to come out first. To see whats in it and see if we can replicate some of the brillant ideas. I would love to see Lukes saber be blue for the ranch edit like in the .83 edit but I don't know what everyone else thinks.

Hmm maybe the other two Death Star could be a threat to Naboo, Mustafar, Uptopia, or even Tatooine.

I think that we need to coax Adywan to be our fx guy, he is doing amaing things for his edit, and he is color correcting.
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Hmm maybe the other two Death Star could be a threat to Naboo, Mustafar, Uptopia, or even Tatooine.

I guess that's what I was "afraid" of.
Why would the death star be blowing any of these planets (especially Tatoonie) to bits?
If any planet I could could see this happening with it's Naboo.
Now, I'm not saying we couldn't fit a new plot element into this edit to make this idea work...
...because I DO like this idea of more than one death star....but, again, why would we have death stars attacking these specific planets?

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I suspect that Starkiller Ranch will actually begin with SOTDS. Unless there's another release scheduled for the next couple months that I'm not aware of!
SOTDS goes without saying!
As for ROTJ, I might wait for the release of the "ROTJ- .83" edition. I think he has some interesting ideas as well.

I had actually just found that thread the other day and forgotten about it completely! Yeah, I would probably wait then too.

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Originally posted by: SomethingStarWarsRelated
Hmm maybe the other two Death Star could be a threat to Naboo, Mustafar, Uptopia, or even Tatooine.

I guess that's what I was "afraid" of.
Why would the death star be blowing any of these planets (especially Tatoonie) to bits?
If any planet I could could see this happening with it's Naboo.
Now, I'm not saying we couldn't fit a new plot element into this edit to make this idea work...
...because I DO like this idea of more than one death star....but, again, why would we have death stars attacking these specific planets?


Maybe one upon Naboo because the Naboo people want to secretly join and help the rebellion and Papiltine found out. And maybe have the 3rd one be in the early stages of construction and be close to the one at Endor and when that one blows up it blows the other one up also from the impact??..
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More than 2 Death Stars is just too much, not to mention whatever plot threads we'd have to conjure up and tie together to make it work. As it stands, the current plan is to move the Death Star II opening to ESB, and alter the crawl accordingly.

And Darth Richard, I have talked to Adywan about the possibility of giving us a hand in the special effects department. He's very busy with his Episode IV edit at the moment, but is willing to see what he can help out with once that's completed. He has his own project he's working on though, and I certainly wouldn't want to take him away from it. I'm very excited about his versions as they look to be the most professional and extensive edits yet.
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A second Death Star would be really tough to pull off plot wise. If one wanted to put a second one in for the purposes of just having something cool to look at, I wouldn't mind it if it wasn't sticking out too much. Maybe there could be the most basic of a Death Star skeleton floating around Endor as well. It could not be even close to operational with out adding in more plot complications than we can deal with.
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How about using the skeleton Death Star from ROTS. That would be easy to add to any needed shots and , as Darth Richard said, it would be destroyed with in the explosion as a ripple effect. Because its only in its basic construction, as sluggo said, it wouldn't need any plot changes as the rebels would still concentrate on destroying the almost completed version which is the main threat..
One thing that has always bugged me about ROTJ is that the imperial fleet was never completely destroyed, so did they just give up when the Death Star was destroyed? I'm going to be adding the remnants of the fleet being caught up in the energy wave and you'll see them being destroyed. I think it will give the destruction of the Empire more impact and will take this sequence away from the "ANH rehashed" feeling I've always had about ROTJ's ending. Another thing i always wanted to see that was in the script, and will be in my version, was when the rebels realise the shield is still up and some ships couldn't turn in time impacting into the shield.

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I'm going to be adding the remnants of the fleet being caught up in the energy wave and you'll see them being destroyed. I think it will give the destruction of the Empire more impact and will take this sequence away from the "ANH rehashed" feeling I've always had about ROTJ's ending. Another thing i always wanted to see that was in the script, and will be in my version, was when the rebels realise the shield is still up and some ships couldn't turn in time impacting into the shield.


adywan:
I LOVE both of these ideas! Man, you're coming up with some great stuff for these edits! Have you had any ideas for ESB?

Wait! Wait! Greatest idea for ROTJ: Have Jar Jar manning the falcons guns during the battle!

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At Sluggo & Adywan, I think that thats the way to go on it.
Also ( I don't remember if I said it here or not ) that the Endor scenes should be slightly darkened and foggy.
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The Imperial Fleet getting destroyed in the shockwave is a great idea! The only inconsistency I see with that is how would the Rebel Fleet escape the explosion and the Imperials, being on the "far side of Endor," not?

As for multiple Death Stars, I still don't see the advantge of another Death Star in RotJ. If we're adding nothing to the plot and it's just in the background, then what's the point? Having the Death Star II at the beginning of ESB can at least imply that the 2 Death Stars were built simultaneously. If anything, a very early skeletal Dath Star might be best added to ANH somwhere, in the background of the earliest shots of the Death Star I. My main objective with the Death Stars is to remove the "out of nowhere" aspect of the DS2 from RotJ and make it appear as if the Empire had a plan for them that actually made some sense.
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Based on the stills from his thread, Adywan is pretty brilliant at special FX. Perhaps once he sees SOTDS (and he finishes his SE trilogy), he'd be willing to do the FX shots we need for Episode I. But he needs to see the bait first

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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"The Imperial Fleet getting destroyed in the shockwave is a great idea! The only inconsistency I see with that is how would the Rebel Fleet escape the explosion and the Imperials, being on the "far side of Endor," not?"

Maybe when the shields go down and the rebels move in, the imperial fleet forms a perimeter around the DS to protect it?
Ackbar tells the rebels to get the heck away but the imperials don't or too close to the DS when it blows up.

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***BUMP***

I'm bumping this so if anyone has any ideas (with in fan edit capability) to post them. When I get some major free time (I'm so busy with school right now) I will start making a list of all the ideas for all the edits.
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I'd suggest someone with basic 3D skills start working out the blocking for the effects shots. At least get a feel for camera angles, framing and timing.
If you start to put those scenes together in rough animatic form, you can see if the ideas work and it will make it a lot easier for your 'effects department' when the project gets to that stage.
The person wouldn't need a lot of skils, you can use prebuilt models from the SWMA as stand ins, all you really need is a basic understanding of a 3D package and an understanding of camera moves.

I can help people out with training materials, I'd love to offer myself up for the effects stuff, but I'm kinda snowed.
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Just thought I'd bump this up as Trooperman gets closer and closer to finishing SOTDS. There's been some mention of Episode I elements in that thread, and if anyone has any ideas for Episode I, this is the place.

I'm still ready on the music editing end--if anyone has experience with overall sound editing/mixing, I could really use your help. Music editing is my real forte.
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If you're still trying to create a version that matches up with SOTDS, I'd suggest you wait until Trooperman releases it. Otherwise you're flying blind.

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Meanwhile, Back At The Ranch...

My fellow Ranch hands,

As Trooperman's Episode II nears completion, it is time to revisit the now infamous Starkiller Ranch. I am flattered to still be considered "in charge," even though as it has been pointed out, I have very little to show for my tenure as the head of this project. From the inception of Starkiller Ranch, my rorle was always that of "creative consultant" and "quality control." Editing was and still is a hobby of mine, but I was unprepared and totally caught off guard last year when teh project suddenly became my responsibility. It's true I "took charge," but as the only "senior member" of the Ranch still attached to the project, it seemed the right thing to do. However, although I had every intention of taking the reins as it were and making this thing a reality, life soon caught up with me, and the Ranch fell on the priority list. That coupled with our lack of a special effects department (an essential part of making this project work), and waiting for Trooperman to finish Episode II so we would know where exactly to take the Ranch, and there really wasn't much that could be done in the mean time. But where do things stand now? Upon the release of SotDS, I would once again be willing to "take over" production on the rest of the saga, assumably Episode I. On the other hand, if there is an experienced editor waiting in the wings and ready to go, LTH for example, I'd tell them to go for it. I am quite content with the creative consultant/quality control role, and general overseer of the project. Before we make a decision we'll need to know who is "on board" and what services they can offer to the project. I've told you my situation, what about yours? Here's to getting this project back in the air.
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Of course i'm always checking these threads and hoping to contribute creative ideas. I understand how everyone thinks and what we can accomplish with these edits. I'll contribute until this thing is done and distributed.
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It put a huge smile on my face to see it now called the "Legendary Starkiller Ranch Thread"
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As I said, I am up for the music editing, although I'd prefer someone else to do the overall sound stuff. We did change computers, and over time I misplaced the manual, meaning I have no way of reinstalling Sound Forge unless I find it, and there's no telling when that will be possible. However, the church is probably getting a new version of Sound Forge soon, so we might be able to work something out... I'll get a hold of it one way or another--by the time SOTDS is out, I should have it.

It seems like our biggest gap is special effects, right? EDIT: I see the post above. I guess we'll have to sort of play that by ear as far as adywan goes. I agree with your September sentiments: I wouldn't want to distract him from making an optimal work. He's doing a fantastic job. (I wonder if he's planning to do any of the other films?)

CC, are you up to the main editing, or do you need someone else? I've got music, and if you're doing the main editing, then if adywan can't help us, then we just need to get someone to do the video and the sound, at a rate of one person per element. I think it is good for you to have creative charge, even if you aren't up to editing the whole thing. If LTH wants to collaborate, that's cool too. But as said, even if you don't edit anything, you can help produce or direct, so to speak, and make final decisions etc. That's up to you.

If it's of any help, I can go back over all the notes and discussions I've had and sort of "spot" the movie on my own and chart all ideas that I have for each scene. I need to revisit the script and see some of the notes scoring wise, but I'll probably start on my own and we can work from there. Just to keep all of the ducks in a row on my end.


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I have heard adywan say that he would like to do the entire OT. But I don't know if he is going to go from ANH directly into editing ESB, or if he will take a break. If he takes a break from his project we could possibly get him to help the Ranch. I just don't want to hold his OT projects back in the process. Maybe someone else can do visual effects if adywan can't, but he would be one of my first choices for this.


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This is partially my fault- finishing SOTDS earlier I think would really have increased enthusiasm and jump-started the project.

If it's of any help, I can go back over all the notes and discussions I've had and sort of "spot" the movie on my own and chart all ideas that I have for each scene. I need to revisit the script and see some of the notes scoring wise, but I'll probably start on my own and we can work from there. Just to keep all of the ducks in a row on my end.

That'd be great. I personally am confused about what's happening with Ep. I plotwise- there was some discussion of killing off Nute in Ep. I, which would cause a major continuity error in SOTDS (which you'll understand after watching).

I don't know- I can kind of understand why not much work has taken place yet- maybe you want to make sure that SOTDS is not an amateurish piece of garbage before putting in all kinds of time to complete the trilogy.

And you will all find out in April (May at the absolute latest)....

From the SOTDS:

really the bottom line: CC is in charge of Starkiller Ranch, and we need to know where he stands on this.

This is true- however, do not underestimate the power of MTHaslett Storywise, MTH was a HUGE influence during the cutting, and when making Ep. I, I would value his opinion very highly. He's busy lately and doesn't post much publicly, but he's still around.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition