Hmm, perhaps we should leave the "title discussion" for later down the road of this edit. I didn't mean to stir things up about it, I was just throwing out the idea of giving it a title. For the record, if your going to have ep.2-6 have a title, then it would just be silly to have Ep.1 just be called "star wars". I'm sure it looks neat like that on paper, but to anybody who watches this, to whoever receives this....it is going to be Episode One. You cannot get around that. This isn't the "original Star Wars" that we saw in 77. Personally I feel that Ep.4 is the only movie that holds the solitary title of "Star Wars". And I know we are making a stand alone film with this, but it is ENTIRELY related to the rest of the saga. It introduces: the force, anakin, amidala, obi wan, sith lords, jedi, yoda, ect ect.......all of these characters flesh out and make the "saga". And like I said, I totally understand making this movie a stand alone picture , much like the 77 star wars did............but then lucas made Empire Strikes Back and went back to change "Star Wars" into "Star Wars: A New Hope". I think that was a great decision and turned the movies into chapters; which is what they are no matter how you look at it. And considering that we are making "Chapters" of a more serious and connected "saga", I don't see the point in making this Episode One simply "Star Wars".
Now, if you wanted to drop all the titles from the movies and just number them......well that is a different story. I know that a good title is hard to come up with, so lets just let it go for now and return to the issue later down the pipe line once we get the story nailed down and the editting in progress. Or to make everyone happy, simply make it an alternate track for the beginning. You can have a title, or not, the choice is up to the viewer and his remote.
Anyway, i'm all for using the "droid wandering" track for them walking into the town. I just thought that the "mos eisley" music should be saved for mos eisley. But if it works.......
P.S. I love the discussions on this board, everybody has such great ideas!
I'm sure, Dartpreston, that I appreciate having my ideas called silly. I hope you don't mind if I don't agree. If you like "Episode I" then there are plenty of edits out there with that title.
Haha, no man , I must have typed that wrong. You know that your the fuel for this fire, your shaping this movie into a masterpiece, you have my upmost respect, trust me. The title "star wars" for this movie could work, and in the end i'm sure it will seem very fitting considering if these cuts come out as well as you have written them. I'm sure it will grow on me , and anyway it's not really that big of a deal compared to reshaping the movie, and you guys are doing great on that front. I'd say that i'm in agreement with about 99% of the ideas coming out. And i'm not totally pesemistic about the Maul=Grevious situation, I just can't wait to see you guys flesh this out into something realistic.
I'm just thankfull to be in discussion with this project and want to be apart of the brainstorming. Just a discussion over titles, no need to get worked up. By the way, the idea of adding the "lawrence of arabia" shots sounds very fitting. There are soo many desert pans in that movie it is quite rediculous. How about adding a darker filter to the scenes on tatooine (like in a new hope)? That would help if you were needing to blend in desert shots from other movies. But that is an outstanding idea.
Dp -- I'm glad you like so much of what you're reading here -- and I don't mind the title debate, but I get a little urked when someone uses "that would just be silly" as an argument. Especially if it's to rebuke something I believe in ;-)
If we do a good enough version of this edit, I hope we can earn the title "Star Wars". If it falls short of expectations, I'll be more than happy to support someone else's "Episode I: XX of the XXX" title.
The Titles: -If we're going for a saga feel, it would be nice to have alternate titles for all the movies. -The idea of the first film being simply "Star Wars" does have it's appeal. -To set this saga apart, ID's suggestion of solely episode #s just might do it for me.
The dilemma with the third option would be whether or not to subtitle the first film "Episode I," as all the others would be "Episode _". And what would TM think of not using "Shroud of the Dark Side"?
Arrival on Tatooine: I'm all for changing things, but if it becomes obvious some changes are not going to be seemless, I have no problem in leaving things the way they were originally. That's where I stand on this sequence. Utilizing the Tatooine music from ANH is acceptable only if it is cleverly edited and not tracked. Trooperman often changes the key in music making it different enough as to not be a complete repeat. That's another route we can take (though I don't know what he uses to make those changes). "Dune" would also be a good source for desert footage, and would certainly blend in a lot better than "Lawrence of Arabia" (one would think so at least).
Liam Neeson: It would be a great help to have a complete resource of Liam Neeson dialogue along the same lines as the Christopher Lee posts a few pages back. Batman Begins, Kingdom of Heaven, and The Chronicles of Narnia are all excellent sources for alternate/additional Qui-Gon dialogue. BB is going to be the easy one to document, as it's ver popular and many of us on this board own it. KoH, not so much, and Narnia is a ways off from being officially released. Any help in this area would be greatly appreciated.
I read about your debate on whether having a subtitle or, not. I read that someone suggested "Duel of the fates". Mabye it could be "Duel of Fates" or, "The Duel of Fates". So, that it doesn't have a "of the" title. Also, what about this for a title "The Dark Forces" since dark forces could apply to the Trade federation, to maul, or both. Or mabye, (if you don't want two "Dark" titles) "The Federation Attacks". Though, I don't mind this edit being called just Star Wars. I also like the new addition to the script. Some of the ideas in there I would like to incorporate into my own edit [sometime in the future] if you guys don't mind. Oh, I just thought of another title(s) "The Prophecy Revealed", "Hard times for Naboo", "Troubling times", "The Menace Revealed", "The Menace Attacks", "The Prophecy foretold". Though, I just thought of those off the top of my head...
Though for now I am leaning toward STAR WARS: Episode _ for all the titles, one title in particular I've had in mind for Episode II for a long time is "Dark Force Rising" or "Dark Force Ascendent." That seems like an appropriate title for the Episode I of this saga, but with II being "Shroud of the Dark Side" that would probably be too much "Darkness" in our titles.
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition
Originally posted by: Trooperman I thought about this, and came up with this possibility:
Episode I: The Rise to Power.
I wouldn't mind this title- it seems more elegant than the others. That is, if we're insisting on giving this one a subtitle.
But can I assume that title refers to Palpatine? He's just a bit player in this movie -- there's no Sidious so there's no context provided in the movie to assume his "rise" is overly significant. He's just another Chancellor at this point. "A New Hope" refers to the discovery of Luke Skywalker's ability with the Force. The title of Episode I as we're cutting it should refer to the main story too, I think -- the awakening of the Council or the discovery of Anakin -- or perhaps the self-sacrificing courage of Qui Gonn as he tries to wake up the Council to the importance of Anakin. Anyway, no one in the center of this movie rises to power -- not even Jar Jar
You're the boss, TM, but I'm holding out for all it's worth until we get a "gotta have it" title-- You came up with the idea of just Star Wars and you converted me to the bone.
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi We can't call Episode II "Dark Force Rising." That title is reserved for the second entry in the great Thrawn trilogy of novels.
Yes, I know. That's where I got the idea.
And if you haven't noticed this project has totally disregarded the EU. If we wanted to to title the movies...
Episode I: Cloak of Deception Episode II: Dark Force Rising Episode III: Labyrinth of Evil Episode IV: The New Rebellion Episode V: Shadows of the Empire Episode VI: Destiny's Way
I thought of a simple and, to the point title just now. "The War Has Begun" or, if you don't want war in the subtitle "The Battle Has Begun", "The Battles begin", "Start of a Battle". Also, mabye "Uprising of Conflict" or, "Choice of a Hero", "Path of a Hero".
Guys, I just had another idea for when it comes time to do ROTJ. Instead of having it end on Han, Luke, Leai and the gand, have it end on the force ghosts of Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Yoda. A much more fitting conclusion, if you ask me. It would be symbolic of the propecy being fulfilled and would even better enforce that Anakin is the true star of the star wars saga.
I agree. And then you can ditch that goofy shot of Lando clapping! "The things that stick in my mind and make me laugh were, like, memos worried about whether or not the Wookie should have pants. They're looking at this thing and saying, "Couldn't he have some lederhosen?" This is great. Of all the things to worry about, the Wookie has no pants." -Mark Hamill
No need to feature such minor characters as Anakin, Yoda and Obi-Wan. I was thinking more along the lines of having 5 full minutes of Lando's "booty dance" all the way through "Light of the Force".
If we really wanted to throw the old characters a bone we could also cut in Yoda's ghost doing the hip-hop dance found as an extra on the ROTS DVD. Only a little color correction and rotoscoping would be necessary. And maybe some digital ewoks doing "the macarena" in the background.
God, it would be great. Such a fitting end to the saga.
Just promise me you replace the end credits music with "Goodnight, But Not Goodbye" from The Holiday Special! "The things that stick in my mind and make me laugh were, like, memos worried about whether or not the Wookie should have pants. They're looking at this thing and saying, "Couldn't he have some lederhosen?" This is great. Of all the things to worry about, the Wookie has no pants." -Mark Hamill
And Mas Amedda could get his own musical routine in ROTS, based on the melody of "Feliz Navidad"!
# I'm Mas Amedda # I'm Mas Amedda"The things that stick in my mind and make me laugh were, like, memos worried about whether or not the Wookie should have pants. They're looking at this thing and saying, "Couldn't he have some lederhosen?" This is great. Of all the things to worry about, the Wookie has no pants." -Mark Hamill
Oh, man. That chorus is classic! "The things that stick in my mind and make me laugh were, like, memos worried about whether or not the Wookie should have pants. They're looking at this thing and saying, "Couldn't he have some lederhosen?" This is great. Of all the things to worry about, the Wookie has no pants." -Mark Hamill
