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Originally posted by: InfoDroid
This was recently posted by "CO" in another thread:

-He just looked at me and said, "I am your father!" That is the best part of all the movies.


Now, this goes to show that even though we know the whole story of Anakin, Vader's revelation could still be quite potent. Look at ROTS. We all knew what was going to happen and we all knew how, but that was really what made it more horrifying to watch. I mean, I always end up crying during the order 66-montage even though it hardly came as a surprise when it finally happened! So overall, I'd be strictly in favour of keeping that scene as it is, even though it means Obi-Wan will still be a liar, though I like to think he's just protecting Luke from the truth.
"The things that stick in my mind and make me laugh were, like, memos worried about whether or not the Wookie should have pants. They're looking at this thing and saying, "Couldn't he have some lederhosen?" This is great. Of all the things to worry about, the Wookie has no pants." -Mark Hamill
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Good point, Olzen!

We need to keep that in mind.






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Originally posted by: olzen
Originally posted by: InfoDroid
This was recently posted by "CO" in another thread:

-He just looked at me and said, "I am your father!" That is the best part of all the movies.


Now, this goes to show that even though we know the whole story of Anakin, Vader's revelation could still be quite potent. Look at ROTS. We all knew what was going to happen and we all knew how, but that was really what made it more horrifying to watch. I mean, I always end up crying during the order 66-montage even though it hardly came as a surprise when it finally happened! So overall, I'd be strictly in favour of keeping that scene as it is, even though it means Obi-Wan will still be a liar, though I like to think he's just protecting Luke from the truth.


Yeah-- pretty compelling.

I think for the sake of the Saga, it has to stay as a reveal to Luke -- so the lie has to stay too.

I'm more and more convinced the best way to "save" things is to provide a compelling reason in ROTS where Yoda instructs OW to keep the truth from Luke. The best reason to me is that if Luke knows the truth, then the Sith will find him through his emotions -- as Yoda sensed Anakin's murder of the Sandpeople and Vader sensed Luke on Hoth in ESB. The danger in Luke knowing isn't about whether it will make him turn bad -- but that he will not be able to repress ALL the emotoins it stirs up. And any emotions from Luke about Anakin put him at risk of discovery.

Then Alec Guiness' performance as he lies to Luke really works -- he looks reluctant to lie, but does it anyway-- as if he were instructed to.

Then the ESB reveal stays and Obi Wan isn't just randomly lying to Luke and creating a dangerous situation out of some misguided, improvised whim.

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I'm glad you agree I'm currently toying a bit around with a modified version of Obi-Wan and Luke's chat on Dagobah in ROTJ. I was pretty impressed by your first clip of the flashback in ANH, so I think it would be a shame to ditch that idea. It would make a great emotional impact if we were reminded of Anakin's horrible fate in that chapter. I'll post my script when it's finished - I'm unable to contribute with a clip, sadly.
"The things that stick in my mind and make me laugh were, like, memos worried about whether or not the Wookie should have pants. They're looking at this thing and saying, "Couldn't he have some lederhosen?" This is great. Of all the things to worry about, the Wookie has no pants." -Mark Hamill
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That clip was cool, Chalala! I like the idea. If you couldn't hear the original ROTS music under the ROTJ, it'd be better. But it's a good concept. The only other thing I'd mention is that it has no obvious parallel with Luke fighting Vader, but I do love that track and of course the Emperor's theme fits extremely well there. Which makes me wonder why we never got an all-out, full-on rendition of the Emperor's theme during ROTS. Alas, another missed opportunity.

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Okay, here's my suggestion for the ROTJ-flashback. The shot-descriptions below are quite obviously the ones that accompany the previous line. They should probably have been above the lines rather than below, but hopefully you can imagine how it would come together.

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Luke: "Why didn't you tell me? You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father."
Obi-Wan: "Your father..."

(At this point, the scene fades to white and switches to a flashback. The music used should probably either be "Anakin's Betrayal" or "Padme's Ruminations". The first shot we see is the close-up of Anakin with yellow eyes)

"... was seduced by the Dark Side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and BECAME Darth Vader."

(Shot of Anakin burning)

"Anakin was a good friend."

(A shot of Anakin and Obi-Wan as friends, probably something from the beginning of ROTS.)

"When I first knew him, your father was already a great pilot."

(Anakin in the Naboo Starfighter in TPM.)

"But I was amazed how strongly the Force was with him. I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi."

(Anakin and Obi-Wan at the celebration in TPM)

"I thought that I could instruct him just as well as Yoda. I was wrong."

(Anakin preparing to kill the younglings.)

"He's more machine now than man; twisted and evil."

(The shot of Anakin's cybernetic hand trying to climb up the volcano. The ominous image fades to white and we return to the movie.)

Luke: "There IS still good in him. I've felt it... I can't do it, Ben."

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And then the scene would go on as usual. Like I said earlier, I think a flashback here could be quite effective. And it wouldn't be very difficult to put together.

"The things that stick in my mind and make me laugh were, like, memos worried about whether or not the Wookie should have pants. They're looking at this thing and saying, "Couldn't he have some lederhosen?" This is great. Of all the things to worry about, the Wookie has no pants." -Mark Hamill
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That clip was dope! While I think the clip works fine as in the original, it would be need to have this new music as a seperate audio track on a DVD.
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Next TINY bit of script (more to come, but this is something for TJ)

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Picking Up where Qui Gonn tackles Jar Jar...

[ADD SOUND F/X OF BLASTING, BOOMING, DESTRUCTIVE DROID TRANSPORTS REMAINING ALWAYS NEARBY -- until we get to the lake shore with Jar Jar -- then the sounds are muted and distant, but STILL PRESENT]

EXT. FOREST
The transport travels over Jar Jar and Qui Gonn -- they lie on the ground as it recedes. They move, rising to stand and we CUT

To a Droid riding a flying glider and shooting (the one who's chasing Obi Wan) CUT:
To Qui Gonn, lighting his saber and bouncing the blast back at the Droid, Obi Wan running closer. CUT:
To Qui Gonn deflecting blasts back at more droids as Obi Wan runs closer. Camera follows debris into bushes
Jar Jar stands between Qui Gonn and Obi Wan -- speaks. Obi Wan asks what's this. Qui Gonn says "a local. Let's go before more droids come." CUT away as Obi Wan crosses frame, before Jar Jar starts his clown faces and speaking...
(The effect is that this attack is closer to where the tackle happened and makes the threat of the droids stay more imminent. The backgrounds match surprisingly well when cut on all this movement).


CUT TO: them all running together and Jar Jar offering to take them to a city. They stop and talk to Jar Jar. (keep it going until Qui Gonn's line: "...us there?") and CUT
TO: over Qui Gonn's shoulder on Jar Jar. Let Jar Jar talk until "...me going back there" He's saying something like: "I can take you there if you have the courage to face Boss Nass -- he will not be kind. He knows things... But it's safer there than out here..." Let a rising musical sting cue us for a dangerous decision as we WIPE...
To: Jar Jar leading the Jedi to the river bank

When Jar Jar leaps in the air, CUT to the Jedi putting in their mouth pieces so we don't see the silly triple-gainer dive.

Then get us underwater using everything except the shot where Jar Jar pokes his head out of the water -- he jumps in the water and disappears and the Jedi have to follow...

Under water use everything except OMIT the close up of Obi Wan -- keep things on Qui Gonn.

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I would like to throw in another suggestion:

When you guys start editing the films together, can you add in some music from the Shadows of the Empire soundtrack? It would work well IMHO, especially if incorporated into ESB and ROTJ, which of course is what the entire SotE story was meant to bridge the story between. So what do ya say?
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SotE music is playing a large role in the restructuring of the Episode I soundtrack already. I don't think adding those pieces to the OT can improve things, but the PT, especially TPM, could use the help of some vaguely OT music. MagFan used it in the pod-race to great effect. We'll do that kind of thing too --

But that's really InfoDroid and Trooperman's department.

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I'll just repost what I've already stated above.

I'm working in-depth on the soundtrack now. I'm drawing from a myriad of sources including John Williams material (from his filmography, nothing too recognizable), Joel McNeely's "Shadows of the Empire", ureleased tracks from the "TPM video game", "The Knights of the Old Republic 2", and unreleased material from ROTS and AOTC that was featured in "Battlefront II". I also MIGHT take some cues from the Ewoks movies soundtracks if appropriate.

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Next Bit of Script:

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Entering Gunga city

INT. GUNGA CITY STREET
[Music is threatening and mysterious. It gets darker as we go]
Q and O squish through the door and walk inside. CUT to the shot of them all walking to the stairs, seen from behind. A guard runs up from screen left as they reach the bottom of the stairs. CUT to the reverse shot of them all at the bottom of the stairs as a second Guard runs up. This guard has his lance down-- he zaps Jar Jar (shave a few frames out so the zap is more assertive and removes that pause). Jar Jar jumps back-- CUT to

Close of the Guard threatening them. He says all his lines (as shot). Cut to: Q looking around, reacting (a FS crop of his first reaction shot as he enters the city). CUT to the pan across Gunga city where the citizens all take notice of the Jedi (start the pan after we already can't see Q or JJ or the guards). This pan is our last shot of Gunga before we cut to:

EXT. GRASSY FIELDS
The Droid army approaches Naboo. ADD SOUND F/X OF EXPLOSIONS AND LASER BLASTS

EXT. NABOO CITY
Then ships fly over the Castle
Then (this is tricky) ships fly over the streets, seen from below as debris flies through the air (This shot is from the parade at the end -- two groups of ships speed by as confetti falls and the camera tilts downward)

INT. CASTLE
Then we see the droid army through a window, approaching...
Then we see a wide shot of the Queen looking out the window
Then cut to the medium shot of the Queen, as she lets her head fall forward in defeat...
STILL HEARING BOOMS LASERS AND SCREAMS

INT. BOSS NASS CHAMBER
First the establishing shot from outside, then The next four shots of Boss Nass talking without cutting to the Jedi for response. Let him get a real wind on -- he's upset that the Jedi council seems so foolish as to only send two Jedi when the Galaxy is in the balance. The Gungans will face their deaths with pride. Cut in a shot of Qui Gonn reacting surprised and/or worried, but no talking (we'll have to create it if we can with the FS). Nass continues. Finally Qui Gonn says his line: "The Droid Army's about to attack the Naboo. We must warn them." Boss Nass continues. He's talking about the prophecy of the Force. He's wise and the music and dialogue support that (once we add it ) He uses all his good looking dialogue shots without interruption until he finally says "be gone with you" and the Jedi turn to leave, "We go in peace." (OMIT the head shaking, please) CUT to Jar Jar being released and the Jedi going up the stairs. OMIT the "What's a bongo?" dialogue or anything else about stopping for Jar Jar. Boss Nass controls what happens here -- the Jedi know it and go along.

EXT. OTAH GUNGA
The bongo swims out and Jar Jar talks to the Jedi. Leave in the "You were banished because you were clumsy" stuff. We're going to borrow MagFan's dialogue strategy here. A fish takes interest in them -- just when it's about to shoot out it's tongue at them -- Qui Gonn turns and notices it -- and it gets CHOMPED by a bigger fish. "There's always a bigger fish"

"Head for that outcropping" The Bongo disappears and we wipe...

To EXT. NABOO CASTLE -- seen from the water. Cut Inside before the Bongo surfaces - Nute escorts the Queen downstairs...

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I have done more of those clips of the whole saga.
Now you are working on Episode I and want to use the SotE soundtrack ... which reminds me ... of my podracer video clip.
The music of the scene when Anakin first starts his podracer to check if it works is replaced by a bit of Night Skies. I like the original music of that scene, but it doesn't feel like Star Wars. So:

Podracer

I also worked on Qui-Gon's death:

Qui-Gon Jinn's Death v.1

Qui-Gon Jinn's Death v.2

Master Qui-Gon

Master Qui-Gon/TheRealDealReloaded On Youtube

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Chalala,

Sounds cool. I really want to see them. But, will you do us a favor and put 'em on Rapidshare? It's SO much faster.

Thanks!



--InfoDroid

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Ok, I will upload them on rapidshare, but first I have to encode them with DivX, so you'll have to wait...
Besides there must be a way to make it possible that you can't here the original music under the replaced music. Maybe you can give me some useful tips.

Master Qui-Gon

Master Qui-Gon/TheRealDealReloaded On Youtube

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Yes, perhaps if you PM our own TJDavis1138, he can give you some tips on how to isolate only the center channel (the dialogue channel) of the clip.


P.S. - Changed the name of the thread (slightly) so it's clear we're not talking about salad dressing (as per Trooperman's complaints).

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Mthaslett, what an amazing re-write of the beginning, I am already growing in love with this edit..........it just feels like TPM that I wanted to see in may 99. Just a quick question..............the only thing kept from TPM that i'm not in love with is Jar jar "banishment" plot. Why do we have to stick with the idea of him being banished for clumsiness? To me, that just kind of harkens back to the sillyness of the original movie. Jar jar being banished is something that cannot be avoided........however you could simply cut the end of Obi Wans line in the bongo to where he says " you were banished?" and then you could add dialouge to jar jar to create a more convincing story. If you sticking with the kyber crystal thing, then just have it relate to that and not because he was "clumsy" and fell asleep and it was stolen. This is just my opinion, but if you're going to re-write this whole shin dig anyway, might as well make it as iconic as you can. But, like I said, everything else is amazing and I can't wait to see this thing cut together. Haha, and we are only through the first 20 or 30 minutes of the film! But, is there any other reasons we can use besides the gungans kicking him out for being a jackass? Personally, I feel it would add to his character if he was defiant and they kick him out, or he left on purpose. Let us continue........
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Originally posted by: darthpreston
Mthaslett, what an amazing re-write of the beginning, I am already growing in love with this edit..........it just feels like TPM that I wanted to see in may 99. Just a quick question..............the only thing kept from TPM that i'm not in love with is Jar jar "banishment" plot. Why do we have to stick with the idea of him being banished for clumsiness? To me, that just kind of harkens back to the sillyness of the original movie. Jar jar being banished is something that cannot be avoided........however you could simply cut the end of Obi Wans line in the bongo to where he says " you were banished?" and then you could add dialouge to jar jar to create a more convincing story. If you sticking with the kyber crystal thing, then just have it relate to that and not because he was "clumsy" and fell asleep and it was stolen. This is just my opinion, but if you're going to re-write this whole shin dig anyway, might as well make it as iconic as you can. But, like I said, everything else is amazing and I can't wait to see this thing cut together. Haha, and we are only through the first 20 or 30 minutes of the film! But, is there any other reasons we can use besides the gungans kicking him out for being a jackass? Personally, I feel it would add to his character if he was defiant and they kick him out, or he left on purpose. Let us continue........


Good point-- It would be nice to change that. We are using the crystal, but like you said...

And since the banishment isn't revealed earlier, the line reading might work if OW just says "You were banished..." as if in disbelief or surprise.

Good idea! -- and THANKS for the compliments! I'm liking this thing too!

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Originally posted by: InfoDroid
I'll just repost what I've already stated above.

I'm working in-depth on the soundtrack now. I'm drawing from a myriad of sources including John Williams material (from his filmography, nothing too recognizable), Joel McNeely's "Shadows of the Empire", ureleased tracks from the "TPM video game", "The Knights of the Old Republic 2", and unreleased material from ROTS and AOTC that was featured in "Battlefront II". I also MIGHT take some cues from the Ewoks movies soundtracks if appropriate.


How about cues from the holiday special?
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Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
MTHaslett,

You mentioned some changes to earlier bits of script a few days ago. You haven't sent me anything yet, have you?



Not yet, Erik -- sorry. I'll get to it, but I'm having a hard time keeping up with new stuff for TJ to crank out! Whew!

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Why do we have to stick with the idea of him being banished for clumsiness?


I agree we need to calm down some of it, but the problem with making him Billy bad ass is his actions and facial expressions say, "I'm an idiot."
"You were so preoccupied with whether or not you could...you never stopped to think if you should." - Ian Malcolm, Jurassic Park
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Originally posted by: tjdavis1138
Why do we have to stick with the idea of him being banished for clumsiness?


I agree we need to calm down some of it, but the problem with making him Billy bad ass is his actions and facial expressions say, "I'm an idiot."


Thats a pretty good point TJ........perhaps Jar Jar can make the accusation that they banished him because he's not like any of the others. So instead of him being ridiculed for clumsiness, he is more or less ridiculed because he is obviously weird and not like any of the other gungans. I got to thinking about the battle that the gungans have at the end........does it make any sense in the world to promote the local town weirdo to the general of their army? Even above the Cpt. Tarpalas character? Perhaps we'll need to alter that situation as well. I think it would be cool if Jar jar simply volunteers to fight in the battle and boss nass agrees to send him to the front lines. I know that's moving a little far ahead, but to me the Jar jar character is extremely flawed and this is our oppurtunity to work him into a character that doesn't ruin the movie (as many people have claimed). Thoughts?
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Perhaps they sent him to the front lines to get rid of him as fast as possible
"The things that stick in my mind and make me laugh were, like, memos worried about whether or not the Wookie should have pants. They're looking at this thing and saying, "Couldn't he have some lederhosen?" This is great. Of all the things to worry about, the Wookie has no pants." -Mark Hamill
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Well, he won't be a BOMBA GENERAL in this version -- and we'll barely see him in the battle, so that's not an issue.

I agree with TJ that we can only go so far -- but let's say he was clumsy when he allowed the crystal to be stolen -- would it make the least bit of sense to explain it to someone in this fashion: "I was banished because... I'm clumsy." ?? No, you were banished because you lost the crystal. So if we can take out OW's line "...because you're clumsy?" it will improve things in a couple ways -- making sense and being less pseudo-comical.