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The 'complete' OT feedback thread. Put all the star wars glitches and fixes you notice in here. — Page 2

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Some interlacing is present on the PAL laserdisc transfer.
See my DVD, frames around 11206 (above stormtroopers eye - also occurs on the D.C. laserdisc), also on Han's hand and gun under the cantina table around frames 71776 and 72004.

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I'll check that out - I guess I'd better finally go take a look at your DVD, something I've been meaning to find time to do for a while now.
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Anyone ever tried cleaning up the shot of Artoo getting fried in the Death Star trench? The laser, the explosion, both have looked incredibly poor and out of place in every edition of the movie to date.

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I replaced R2 with wicket for that shot.


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http://www.geocities.com/krycek1205/bscap005.jpg

I didn't notice this one until I bought the widescreen LD's because I don't think this showed up on the Pan & Scan VHS tapes I used to have. I laughed when I first noticed this. The attack of the paper cutout people. It has been fixed in the 97' SE version. It would be nice to keep this scene in tact by color correcting and fixing the paper people so they look consistent with the others.

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^^^ Very interesting....I'll have to look at that again on my LD.

"I replaced R2 with wicket for that shot." ROTFLMAO
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"Erase the rear window in cockpit shots of Vader's TIE fighter. The model has no rear window."

I'm not trying to be a smart ass or anything but are fixes to bloopers like this one part of the XO project? It is very cool to read all of the problems with the master that are being cleaned up, but stuff like the rear window is not really a "problem" with the master. The greatest thing about this XO project is that it will probably result in the single greatest transfer of the OTC, and I highly doubt that anyone in the future will put as much effort into a transfer as you guys have. Once you star fixing "bloopers" though, you just have another altered SE version. Maybe I am a purist, but fixing mattes and correcting blotches and contrast is a whole different thing than painting out windows etc. Once the line is crossed from restoration to subjective changes for continuity etc., it seems that the transfer would really lose alot of its appeal. Darth Vader's Tie fighter has a window and Han shoots first, same thing.

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"Erase the rear window in cockpit shots of Vader's TIE fighter. The model has no rear window."

Well, for the most part, we are focusing more on errors in the transfer right now (even my comment about the Ties in ROTJ is outside the scope - I was just thinking out loud on that one.)

Maybe Darth Editious could do that one (I don't recall what was on your list - TL, DR. )



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Please, please for the love of God do not alter or edit the film. I love the fact that you guys are going frame by frame and using the technology at your disposal to enhance the appearance of the film but I believe there's a point that you can become so enamored with the technology that you fall prey to the same impulses George Lucas did when he created the Special Editions...

I would love to see the original trilogy (as it originally appeared) receive this sort of release, but when you start removing portions of the films they cease to be the original trilogy.

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Laserman said "This is the place to put your suggestions, feedback, ideas and requests for *all* OT restoration projects."

Please understand my comment about removing Vader's TIE window was not a specific request for the XO project. It's just something that the nitpicker in me would like to see somewhere.

If Darth Editous does DE-ANH 2.0, I'd love to see him fix this.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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No problem with any of the suggestions, but can we classify them as (in order of "purity"):

1. laserdisc mastering defects (e.g. interlaced frames, trails)
2. film defects (scratches, cig burns)
3. special effects shortcomings (matte boxes)
4. bloopers (continuity)

My own opinion is that 1 & 2 should definitely be addressed, 3 is arguable and 4 is only for a Darth-Editous-type Special Edition project.

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Moth3r

That classification of fixes is perfect. I definitley agree that #4 should be addressed with a separate SE project.

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Good call on the fixes classification list.

The PAL THX LDs (both German & French) have burn marks in the first scene you see the droids in ANH:

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I haven't investigated removing marks such as these because if I start I'll either give up fairly quickly because I'd be searching through the films frame-by-frame, or I'd get so stuck into it that I'd go through and fix any blemish I could find and it would take me a year on each film
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That's exactly the kind of stuff I was removing from ANH. I got a third of the way through before the X0 Project came up. It took several months, off and on.
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I, too, like the classification system. I think maybe we should encourage Laserman to continue to update his first post, to add stuff like this new numbering system and maybe maintain a list of problems. In order of appearance in the movies would be great, but let's be realistic...

BTW, I've fixed those PAL film burns in my as-yet-uncompleted transfer.
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Yeah, I want people to post anything and everything in here. If people know about the problems then they can make their own minds up about what is to be fixed or not.
For me personally , archiving the laserdiscs is the most important first step, that means just removing dirt scratches and physical damage, and fixing colour abberations.
Don't take this thread as an indication of where the X0 project or any project is going, just as a repositry for all of the physical problems with the films, glitches, errors, and stuff that bugs you that perhaps could be fixed.
That way everyone can use it, wether doing a purists version or a Lucas style special edition, and it might encourage some folks to embark on their own projects, or at least find some kindred spirits.
I'll have a think about a classification system as well, probably not a bad idea.
In another week or so, I'll go back and start compiling it into a list of things for the fron tpage of the thread, and start attaching frame numbers and things as I work them out.
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Newbie here, first post. I'm always late to the party, but not usually by six months!

If anyone's still reading this thread, here are some of my pet potential fixes and personal SE candidates (from memory-- DE framecounts to follow, if I get a chance):

Most are category 4, by the way.

Jumpcut of Artoo on the Blockade Runner right after he drops his third leg and rolls towards 3PO

Same shot: Artoo clearly about to roll right into a bulkhead

I've never liked Vader's first closeup-- his mask is flatly lit, with no specular highlights. Perhaps this could be improved with a selective exposure tweak.

Escape pod, "Are you sure this thing is safe?": Porthole on the inside, but not on the outside! I suppose we could retcon that it's a viewscreen instead of a window, but it would be the only circular one in the film...

Lars homestead: Red droid is still sitting to Artoo's left, after it has rolled ahead and exploded. I have an idea for how to fix the continuity here by altering the shots of Luke and 3PO so that the jawas collect Red (and presumably roll him back to where he was) before 3PO points out Artoo to Luke.

Luke's garage: In the SEs, the beam from Artoo's holoprojector is missing from a couple of shots.

Also: Full-sized stage technician disguised as a jawa, hiding behind the dandelion droid while Artoo rolls towards camera. I never noticed this until the DVD blooper reel, but it's actually in the finished film!

Tusken carjackers: How I wish those rocks weren't so obviously placed to hide the supports on the landspeeder...

Ben's hovel: Jumpcut on Luke's lightsaber ignition. Roto animation on Luke's lightsaber disappears for one frame.

Death Star conference chamber: The chrome casters on those office chairs just bug me.

Leia's cell: Crash-zoom on the Torture droid's needle is stylistically at odds with the camerawork in the rest of the film. It always reminds me I'm watching a movie from 1977.

Mos Eisley: wretched roto "floating" effect on the landspeeder as it drives past the camera. The SEs took a shot at fixing this but the new shadow makes it look like the speeder is hovering way too high off the ground. In fact, the core problem is the composition of the shot: to sell the 'hovering' effect Lucas wants us to see daylight under the hull, but the position of the sun would place the shadow behind the speeder! Check out the shot-- all the other shadows are facing away from the camera, not towards it! Somebody out there with serious 3D experience want to take a crack at generating an authentically-positioned shadow, just to see what it would look like?

Docking Bay 94: "What a piece of junk!" There's no radar dish (or gun turret) on top of the full-size Falcon mockup...

Lightsaber training: More jumpcuts on ignition and shutdown. Blade looks more white than blue, and is much thinner and sharper than when we saw it in Ben's hovel. I'm not 100% sure whether saber-animation overlays were applied to this scene or not-- this sequence was definitely treated differently than the other lightsaber scenes.

Coming out of Hyperspace: The Falcon's engine flare element is out-of-sync in the composite, and precedes the ship itself by five frames, revealing the unilluminated rear of the model.

Death Star Docking Bay: Silhouette of the Falcon model's support pylon is visible within the door's lighting effect.

Control Room: Jumpcuts on the sliding door. Jumpcut on Artoo dropping the third leg again.

Conference chamber II: On "I must face him alone," I think. Vader makes a hand gesture completely unconnected to the dialogue being spoken.

Ben skulking in the corridors, on his way to the tractor-beam junction: Why does he keep taking his saber out? These are obviously alternate takes of his approach to Vader, and one is obviously flopped left-to-right. I would at least like to remove the distinctive R2 unit in the background of that shot.

Lightbridge: Jumpcuts on the door. Also, the echo effect on "wrong turn..." varies drastically from mix to mix.

The duel: Jumpcut on Ben's saber ignition. Not as distracting as the others.

Also: I swear there's a moment where Ben and Vader's swords switch colors on impact.

The duel, continued: the notorious shot where Ben's saber isn't illuminated properly. It still looks like crap on the official DVD-- they just added a glow to it.

Ben gives it up: There's got to be a way to make that step-framed slo-mo shot play smoother. Morphing between frames maybe?

"NO!": Everyone's favorite-- Vader's saber goes white as he walks toward the blast door...

"I'm melting!" Reaction shot of Artoo looks like it was shot in the Control Room set.

Yavin approach: The Falcon really ought to cast a shadow on the trees beneath it.

Death Star Battle: That one shot of an X-Wing where the anti-aircraft fire in the background looks like dabs of Liquid Paper. Also that one shot where a T.I.E and an X-Wing seem to be floating in limbo 'cause the background isn't moving correctly.

One of the last shots of Tarkin has a weird wobble in the background. It looks like they lifted the shot from an earlier scene and had to split-screen Vader out.

Vader escapes: Vader's ship somehow passes under a shadow in the middle of outer space. Perhaps a nearby Star Destroyer?

That's off the top of my head. Anyone?