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Info: The 'complete' OT feedback thread. Put all the star wars glitches & fixes in here.

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OK peeps, here it is.
This is the place to put your suggestions, feedback, ideas and requests for all OT restoration projects.

Many people have asked a lot of the people doing original trilogy restoration projects “How can I help?”.
Well this is the easiest way.
Grab a notepad, (or a notebook!) and sit down with your laserdisc or VHS version of the OT (or OT DVD if you have one of them), and start making notes.

Then get back here and post your notes.

Dodgy frames, colour problems, sound issues, dirty frames, drop outs, glitches, whatever you notice and think needs a fix.
Then everyone can benefit from your feedback, and you can sit back know “Hooray, I’m helping!”.

If possible, put the frame numbers and LD version, or if VHS, zero your counter the moment the ‘20th Century fox’ logo appears on screen, and then put the tape counter reference when mentioning the scene, that way we will all know which scene you refer to.

So now you have another reason to go watch Star Wars!

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Don't feel bad if something you noticed has already been noticed by someone on the X0 Project (or Moth3r, or Farsight, etc.) Many of us have watched these films frame by frame.

In fact, I can't remember the last time I've watched ANH at full speed. [Firefly] "Does that seem right to you?" [/Firefly]

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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has anyone got the documentries SPFX:Empire and From Star Wars to Jedi all restored and good quality in widescreen?
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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Those two docs were never released widescreen as they were made for television.

Rikter has SP FX transferred from an NTSC laserdisc. Best quality available.

I don't think From SW to Jedi was released on laserdisc in the US. The quality of that isn't that great to begin with on the USA released VHS or the Japanese laserdisc (with subtitles), although the laserdisc is slightly better. Someone here had the idea of taking the Japanese laserdisc and masking the subtitles with the USA videotape. Anyone still working on that?
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I'm hoping that all the people that 'wish they could' do their own project, or 'want to help out' with the various projects will get their critical eyeballs out and start listing the needed fixes here.
Many people liked the idea of the raw footage being released so they could give their feedback, but it is from the same source as all the other projects, just much higher quality, so can achoeve exactly the same thing by going through any of the available versions and posting your feedback here.
I am really looking forward to what the community comes back with.

If possible though, lets keep the thread on topic - discussion of suggested/required fixes to get the OT back into shape.
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i don't know if this has been mentioned before. in star wars a new hope, about 5 minutes into the film when the stormtroopers are leading the captured rebels down the corridor there is a frame with a blue spot. what is the best way to get rid of this? photoshop grabbed frames and copy and paste the good section over the bad?
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Whoa -- you have to get 5 minutes in before you notice junk like that? The ultimate project -- the X0 Project, perhaps? -- will have to have rotoscoping applied to nearly every frame. Well, maybe every second frame. There is a lot of junk that is hard-coded into the LDs. Even some video dropouts are hard-coded! It's not just your LD player...

I think that can be added as an item to Laserman's list:

- heavy duty rotoscoping of dust / scratches / blobs of colour / dropouts on master -- too numerous to specify individually.
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Originally posted by: Karyudo
Whoa -- you have to get 5 minutes in before you notice junk like that? The ultimate project -- the X0 Project, perhaps? -- will have to have rotoscoping applied to nearly every frame. Well, maybe every second frame. There is a lot of junk that is hard-coded into the LDs. Even some video dropouts are hard-coded! It's not just your LD player...

I think that can be added as an item to Laserman's list:

- heavy duty rotoscoping of dust / scratches / blobs of colour / dropouts on master -- too numerous to specify individually.


laserman wants specified problems listed and i have noticed other "junk".
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Don't worry: I know exactly what Laserman wants.

The blue spot is at 00:05:35:00, and appears in both NTSC and PAL versions of the LD. One frame long, on a static part of the picture. Easily rotoscoped.

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A moment in the trilogy that I've always winced at occurs during ESB at counter position 0:39:57 (Special Edition videotape, counter zeroed at 20th Century Fox). On the large asteroid, the Millenium Falcon turns on its side to evade pursuing TIE fighters. As the fighters explode, the contrast shifts wildly, and we are presented with an ill-defined mess of an image for that second or so. I wouldn't expect a miracle fix, because this is a huge problem with the source and the original blue/black screen photography. But, I would hope the crazy contrast shift could be stabilized so this sore thumb of a shot could be better blended with the shots that precede and follow it. Color passes? Filters? Thank you all for considering this fix.
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"Don't worry: I know exactly what Laserman wants."

Uhm, Laserman created this thread so that everyone could mention things that they have seen. Let's not put people on the spot for doing "exactly what Laserman wants."

As I stated before, most of the defects are probably already known, but a little help doesn't hurt.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Thanks Ishtar for the 'blue spot' spotting, and to Karyudo for the frame reference so we know exactly where it is.

It is not so much what 'I' want as to have a thread that is useful for anyone attempting a restoration project.
So even if you think it is obvious, post away!
But if possible, put up the laserdisc frame number as reference, or a 'tape counter' number if coming from VHS ( zero your counter the moment the 'original 20th Century fox' logo appears on screen). Screengrabs are always good too, as it is easy then to find the exact thing.
The more info the better really, but even if it some vague glitch you remember, pop it up here- someone else is bound to remember the specifics of it.
It is an easy way that anyone can contribute.
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I know that these are famous glitches, but for the record, there are several shots during the SW end space battle when ships disappear for one or two frames. I'm not sure of the specific times this happens, but it happens more than once.

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I believe that's inherent to the actual print. Special effects glitches that I'm sure someone will fix in a future fan-DVD release.

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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Stuff that is in the original print, or even just something that has always annoyed are all welcome.
Re the missing spacecraft, if anyone has more specific details, offer 'em up!
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3 Y-wings are flying downward, and for at least one frame (probably two or three), the lowest one disappears when it nears the bottom of the frame.

That and the fact that sometimes there is obviously only one ship in the trench when there should be at least 5 or 6 (Luke, Wedge, Biggs, Vader, and two TIEs for example, and Luke is the only one in a shot that should include all of them) are the only disappearing vehicles I remember right now. Those, however, are inherent to the print.
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I wonder if I could fix the Ties that fly through the MF in ROTJ. That would be cool to try.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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How about this one?
Erase the rear window in cockpit shots of Vader's TIE fighter. The model has no rear window.

If that's too hard, maybe use some sort of color filter on just the rear window to make it look more like a screen than a window.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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There was a shot where two Y-Wings disappear for a frame or two. I can't remember exactly where it was but I think it was a cockpit shot of Gold Leader.

On the last shot of the TIEs in the trench, the left hand TIE was missing in the first couple of frames.

I say was because both of those were fixed on the DVD, and that was my source.

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"Erase the rear window in cockpit shots of Vader's TIE fighter. The model has no rear window."

Well, for the most part, we are focusing more on errors in the transfer right now (even my comment about the Ties in ROTJ is outside the scope - I was just thinking out loud on that one.)

Maybe Darth Editious could do that one (I don't recall what was on your list - TL, DR. )

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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You could easily remove the rear window by tracking the scene and popping in a matched 3D element, or by hand painting.
This is all good stuff - keep 'em coming no matter how trivial or 'well known'.
I'm hoping that some of the more pedantic of you out there will start really looking for the little things, and start to catalogue it all.
Once we have a decent list of items, I will add a point form list to the front page of this thread so that we don't go over the same things.
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What about the square matts round the ships during dogfight scenes, can those be erased?

One scene where bad matting stood out on ANH is this, one of the good guys biting the dust in the trench:
http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsMatting.jpg

Another matting glitch I've noticed in ROTJ is when the rebel scum are captured and taken outside the shield's power building, there's a walker in the background in the trees and it's a nice shade of green.
http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/LukeCruise.gif http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/dontcare.gif
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To cut down on all the glitch and blooper references in this thread we could use the Star Wars Blooper Guide as a reference. Pretty much all of them are listed there so no need to repeat them here, only the problems specific to the transfers.

http://www.kineticpast.com/starwars/thecheatlaserdisc.gif
Ooh, a laserdisc. The Cheat's playin' something on a laserdisc.
Everything is better on a laserdisc. Whatever happened to the laserdisc? Laserdisc!

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Yes, garbage mattes (the big squarish ones round the spaceships) are an easy fix.