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Is anakin truly the chosen one? Lucas confirmed on the TPM audio commentary, that Anakin is indeed the Chosen One, and he brings balance to the Force by eradicating the Sith in ROTJ. Of course a number of other comment Lucas has made contradict this, so what do you think and what would you rather it be? Rik and I were talking about bringing balance to the force and the prophecy. Is this achieved indirectly by Anakin's seed being the New Hope of Luke and Leia? Or is it that he brings balance by destroying the Jedi and Leaving it two - two (yoda/obi-wan & Darth Vader/Siddious)?
16 years I wait and this is what I get???
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"... and in the time of greatest despair,
there shall come a savior, and he shall
be known as The Son of The Sun."

Journal of the Whills, 3:127
- starwars.com - Episode IV - Classic Moments - "The Son of the Sun"
Many people wonder who the real Chosen One is, and I want to know whether it's Luke or Anakin Skywalker?

While I imagine this was one of those subjects meant to spark debate and discussion, George Lucas has stated in interviews that Anakin Skywalker is indeed the Chosen One. As far as the prophecy goes, Anakin brings balance to the Force since it is he who disposes of the imbalance. That is, he kills Emperor Palpatine in Return of the Jedi. Sure, Luke is the catalyst for this turn of events, but it is ultimately Anakin who makes the choice. - Insider Magazine
"The part I am working on now [ROTJ] is mostly about Darth Vader, who he is, where he came from, how he became Luke and Leia's father, what his relationship to Ben is. In Jedi, the film is really about the redemption of this fallen angel.. Ben is the fitting good angel, and Vader is the bad angel who started off good. All these years Ben has been waiting for Luke to come of age so that he can become a Jedi and redeem his father. That's what Ben has been doing, but you dont get this in the first film." - George Lucas: Annotated Screenplays

Should Anakin have been trained?

"GL: I think it is obvious that he was wrong in Episode 1 and made a dangerous decision, but ultimately this decision may be correct. The Phantom Menace refers to the force of the dark side of the Universe. Anakin will be taken over by dark forces which in turn destroy the balance of the Galaxy, but the individual who kills the Emperor is Darth Vader - also Anakin. The tale meanders and both the prediction, and Qui-Gonn are correct - Anakin is the chosen one, and he did bring peace at last with his own sacrifice. Luke couldn't kill the Emperor himself, but he could make Anakin reflect on his life and kill the Emperor." - CUT magazine interview

"Sam Davatchi's website reports that George Lucas told a reporter for Studio Magazine that Anakin is indeed the one who brings balance to the force. In this interview, Lucas said that Anakin vanquished the Emperor and brought balance to the Force, although he did need help from Luke to do so. In addition, Lucas said that Anakin is the only person who could do that, because he is the only one who had enough power and was close enough to the emperor to destroy him. As pointed out by Cinescape Online, this fits into the following statement made by Lucas in the Making of Episode I book: "The mystery around [the chosen one] theory is that we don't know yet whether the chosen one is a good or bad person. He is to bring balance to the Force; but at this point, we don't know what side of the Force needs to be balanced out." (6/18/99)." - 1. In general, what will the New Trilogy be about?

"The first film starts with the last age of the Republic; which is it's getting tired, old, it's getting corrupt. There's the rise of the Sith, who are now becoming a force, and in the backdrop of this you have Anakin Skywalker: a young boy who's destined to be a very significant player in bringing balance back to the Force and the Republic.

In the second film, we get into more of that turmoil. It's the beginning of the Clone Wars, it's the beginning of the end of democracy in the Replublic, sorta the beginning of the end of the Republic, and it's Anakin Skyalker beginning to deal with some of his more intense emotions of anger, hatred, sense of loss, possessiveness, jealousy, and the other things he's coping with.

Then we will get to the 3rd film, where he is seduced to the dark side, which brings up to films four, five, and six, where Anakin's offspring redeem him allowing him to fulfill the prophecy where he brings balance to the Force by doing away with the Sith and getting rid of evil in the universe.
- George Lucas - from the American ANH VHS tape in the making of Episode II in the 2000 release.

"Lucas: The midi-chlorians have brought Anakin into being as 'the chosen one' who brings balance to the universe." - The Making of Episode 1, Random House, 1999.

"Profession: Chosen One" - AOTC DVD: supplementary materials: promotional TV spots: Anakin Skywalker:

It justifies, because you know Anakin and Obi-Wan have it out, but Anakin is the chosen one-he is supposed to be the best. But he comes out on the shorter end of the stick in the fight. It justifies it really nicely as the fight progresses."
- Hayden Christensen
Once all six films are complete, the following will make a nice audio and visual climax. We have determined that that was a statue of the Emperor falling and speculated that he was holding a "Peace Ball", but now that we have SEEN that, what do we hear? When panning over the crowd, you hear 2 people shouting something. One is undecipherable, the other is someone shouting "The son of suns, The son of suns!" Speculation at the time was that they were referring to Anakin and that he had saved the universe as some sort of prophet, and at the time, all we could do is wait and see if it would be explained...

Well, in some ways, the wait is over. At the end of The Phantom Menace in the parade scene, right after the ships fly over the parade, you hear it again. - Not someone else shouting "The son of suns, The son of suns!" but the same person, the same 5 second sound, tone, etc... it is the same sound byte, listen:"The Son of Suns" from ROTJ and The Son of Suns" from TPM
- TF.n
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LOOK AT THOSE LINKS!
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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The chosen one? Can he fly on the matrix? Does he have a face on his tongue?
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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thats some pretty neat information, but isnt it jsu proving a point thats been proven?
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I know this reference was not that clear... I meant the Chosen One from "The Matrix" and "Kung Pow".
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
I know this reference was not that clear... I meant the Chosen One from "The Matrix" and "Kung Pow".


Got them both... I loved 'Kung Pow'... so bad its hilarious- just like they planned it!
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Mebe, that was an awesome post and thanks again for the advice you're given me (I love the people on this board like MeBeJedi, Luke, Rikter, Trooperman, Magnolia, Darth Editous, Greencapt, Shimraa - Thought I'd give a shout out). Anyway, I've thought more and more about this balance concept and the chosen one. It seems like in the OT the idea of the force is it essentially in balance when there is peace and harmony (although those seems like light side of the force concepts and it is a Christian Wester Philosphy that fits well with the Son of Suns thing), which ties in well with the emperor/dooku/vader/maul/grievous being destroyed. So then Luke & Leia are jedis, And Han and Leia have Jedis and Anakin, Qui-Gonn (where's his ghost in the not just the PT, but the OT), Yoda, and Ben are all jedi spirits. So there's seems to be an unbalaced force if you consider the force to be light and dark and a yin-yang type Eastern Philosphy. All the Sith are dead. Further, I take it Sith are not following the correct path of the force because none of the sith can come back and be spirits (just anakin who returns to a jedi path). In the Eastern Philosphy there is balance at the end of ROTS with Obi-wan/Yoda vs. Darth Vader/Siddious. I believe the Campbell/pantheistic/ vague force notion to be more Eastern in philosphy with Balance. What are your thoughts?
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The prophecy is bullshit.
Everything about the prequels is.

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Fine, mister Lucas, while you're at it why dont you replace Lando with will smith?
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Actually, the Prophecy existed before ANH was a movie.

"but isnt it jsu proving a point thats been proven?"

You'd be surprised how many people willingly ignore Lucas on this one. They apparently want a different balance or Luke to be the Chosen One.

"In the Eastern Philosphy there is balance at the end of ROTS with Obi-wan/Yoda vs. Darth Vader/Siddious."

It's not simply numbers - it's the acts of the individuals. There is no balance at the end of ROTS because Vader and Sidious are just beginning to kill hundreds of Jedi, and will soon be targeting others whom they consider their enemy, like the Senators Palps was referring to. This culminates in Tarking destroying Alderaan in ANH.

Now, if Palps and Vader were not in charge of the Republic/Empire with a huge clone army to back their every whim, then your two-on-two scenario would make more sense, because it would simply be two Sith vs. two Jedi. Obviously, this is not the case.

Besides, if it were simply based on numbers, then there is no balance at the end of ROTJ because a Jedi exists without a Sith to balance him. Does this mean the Force will continue to hunt down and kill Luke like in "Final Destination"?
MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
JediRandy: They're certainly beyond any repair you're capable of making.


MeBeJedi: You aren't one of us.
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Originally posted by: Kam
The prophecy is bullshit.
Everything about the prequels is.

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i think your bullshit

everything about you is bull shit you fucking troll. give some reasons rather the just shouting out that you dont like something.
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I'll say it again Shimraa you are a wise man, .

Kam you suck our asses bitch.
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Kam, I'd appreciate if you didn't add posts like that to this thread, it adds nothing...its not funny or enlightening. its wastes space and time and cheapens the thread. We're all here because we love the original trilogy and we're not all PT loyalists like at TFN. But this is a discussion and that has no place here.
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Actually, the Prophecy existed before ANH was a movie.

"but isnt it jsu proving a point thats been proven?"

You'd be surprised how many people willingly ignore Lucas on this one. They apparently want a different balance or Luke to be the Chosen One.

"In the Eastern Philosphy there is balance at the end of ROTS with Obi-wan/Yoda vs. Darth Vader/Siddious."

It's not simply numbers - it's the acts of the individuals. There is no balance at the end of ROTS because Vader and Sidious are just beginning to kill hundreds of Jedi, and will soon be targeting others whom they consider their enemy, like the Senators Palps was referring to. This culminates in Tarking destroying Alderaan in ANH.

Now, if Palps and Vader were not in charge of the Republic/Empire with a huge clone army to back their every whim, then your two-on-two scenario would make more sense, because it would simply be two Sith vs. two Jedi. Obviously, this is not the case.

Besides, if it were simply based on numbers, then there is no balance at the end of ROTJ because a Jedi exists without a Sith to balance him. Does this mean the Force will continue to hunt down and kill Luke like in "Final Destination"?


hahaha your right, but here's my take. luke unlike all of the jedi of the OR used his emotions when he fought. he if you will used both sides of the force together, the raw emotion of the sith, and the came an control of the jedi. heres how i look at it. the force was out of balance even in the days of the jedi concil, because instead of listening to the will of the force everything was caught up in doctorine and following the code down to a key. anakin not only destroyed the sith he also destroyed the order that had strayed. and he gave rise to luke, the one that is balanced in the force, AND this is going a little way inthe future and it also involves going out on a lim but anakin also gave rise to leia, whos sun is jacen solo. in the EU series Jacen unifyies the two sides of the force, he discovers that there is no good or bad there is just the force. he unify's that doctorines of the sith and the jedi in something that is good and will bring peace to the jedi and to the galaxy. read traitor if you want to learn about what i am talking about, it is a great stand alone book too.
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Originally posted by: Obi-wonton
Kam, I'd appreciate if you didn't add posts like that to this thread, it adds nothing...its not funny or enlightening. its wastes space and time and cheapens the thread. We're all here because we love the original trilogy and we're not all PT loyalists like at TFN. But this is a discussion and that has no place here.


couldnt have said it better myself.
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hahaha your right, but here's my take. luke unlike all of the jedi of the OR used his emotions when he fought. he if you will used both sides of the force together, the raw emotion of the sith, and the came an control of the jedi. heres how i look at it. the force was out of balance even in the days of the jedi concil, because instead of listening to the will of the force everything was caught up in doctorine and following the code down to a key. anakin not only destroyed the sith he also destroyed the order that had strayed. and he gave rise to luke, the one that is balanced in the force, AND this is going a little way inthe future and it also involves going out on a lim but anakin also gave rise to leia, whos sun is jacen solo. in the EU series Jacen unifyies the two sides of the force, he discovers that there is no good or bad there is just the force. he unify's that doctorines of the sith and the jedi in something that is good and will bring peace to the jedi and to the galaxy. read traitor if you want to learn about what i am talking about, it is a great stand alone book too.



I've never read any EU stuff (yet anyway ), but I really like that take you have.
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yeah i really recommend reading the NJO, it is a very very good series. it puts the war back into starwars, and its funny cause i liked those books more then the movies
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Actually, the Prophecy existed before ANH was a movie.




please explain.


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We've debated this at length over in another forum. But here's the gist of it:

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The imbalance in the Force is Sidious, not the Jedi. A properly trained Jedi acts with the balance of the Force in mind. Ultimately selfless and the means justify the end. The Sith care nothing about the balance, using the Force to only augment themselves. Ultimately selfish and the ends justify the means.


Or, in other words: A properly trained Jedi is mindful of keeping the Force in balance. He does not affect the balance of the Force. We're not talking about the number of Force users on each side, but how the Force is used.
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"hahaha your right, but here's my take. luke unlike all of the jedi of the OR used his emotions when he fought. he if you will used both sides of the force together, the raw emotion of the sith, and the came an control of the jedi."

Then, again, it has nothing to do with the numbers of Sith or Jedi, but what they do. You've just made my point. The "numbers" scenario simply doesn't work.

"he discovers that there is no good or bad there is just the force."

Agreed. The "Dark Side" of the Force simply refers to how it is used (or more specifically, the intent of the user.) I've said this for years at TF.n.

"Actually, the Prophecy existed before ANH was a movie."

"please explain."


Easy, the concept of a "prophecy" and a Chosen One (though not necessarily in those terms) existed in the third of four drafts written before ANH was filmed. It was not created solely for the PT.
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi


Easy, the concept of a "prophecy" and a Chosen One (though not necessarily in those terms) existed in the third of four drafts written before ANH was filmed. It was not created solely for the PT.


hmm, I did not know this. Still the whole Chosen One thing rubs me the wrong way. Ditto with the Virgin Birth.


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This "chosen one" thing comes waay back from that "journal of the whills" references...
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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And geez Warb- is there a RIGHT way for the 'Chosen One' thing to rub you?!?!?!!

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Originally posted by: greencapt
And geez Warb- is there a RIGHT way for the 'Chosen One' thing to rub you?!?!?!!

EEeeeewwwwww!!!!!!


You... were... the... Chosen One... ungh.

Too much?