Beatles - "White Album" (mono)
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EyeShotFirst said:
I still don't believe it's as simple as all that. I think the basic ingredients of the Chuck Berry, Elvis, and Buddy Holly "Rock 'N' Roll" are still very much a part of the AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, and Van Halen "Rock".
To a greater and then a lesser extent.
Jimmy Page was playing Blues-Rock in the Yardbirds, it wasn't until Led Zep that it became what we now look back on and call "Classic Rock". Similarly The Who were a Mod band (Who had a mid career dabble with the psychedelia fad) before also finding that "Classic Rock" sound with 'Live at Leeds' and 'Who's Next'.
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FanFiltration said:
Beatles - "White Album" (mono)
That's very interesting. The white album is the only Beatles album that I actually prefer the stereo mix for.
I can see listening to the early Beatles in mono but the later stuff is designed for stereo first and foremost. The swirling voices on the coda of Sgt Pepper and the jet flying from right to left on the opening of The White Album spring to mind.
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Defining rock is always quite hard, but interesting nonetheless. Classic rock is my favorite genre, but I also appreciate rock in the roll, pop, hard, prog, indie, and alternative variety.
Are we so sure that classic rock isn't 80s too? It's definitely not 90s, but rock in the 80s sounds a lot like in the 70s but just a little less raw. The classic rock stations I listen to play a good deal of 80s stuff. Perhaps the perception of it depends on when you were born.
Or maybe we're getting a little too stringent with these genre definitions? Isn't Pink Floyd progressive rock anyway?
Love all their stuff by the way, but there's a reason why Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, and The Wall (and to a lesser extent Animals) are their classics - it's because those are the best.
Best Beatles album is Revolver, by the way.
Beatleboy99 said:
FanFiltration said:
Beatles - "White Album" (mono)
That's very interesting. The white album is the only Beatles album that I actually prefer the stereo mix for.
Mine as well. I think they finally got the hang of stereo mixing. It has an almost muddy quality on the mono mix. Their other albums sound better in mono, because they have a fullness. There is too much air in the stereo versions, and the hard panning really bothers my ears.
stretch009 said:
Good post, I agree with everything in it except there's still that one thing from your first post that 'Obscured' trumps IMO. "Good set of songs" or not it still has more songs leaning toward the 'Dark Side' sound than Meddle does. I'm not taking anything away from Meddle at all, it's awesome IMO.
BTW when you say 'audible journey' are you talking about concept albums which they are probably the kings of:
Yeah, I enjoy when a band takes more of a symphonic structure to their albums. Not in a instrumentation sense, but thematically, or in groups like Emerson, Lake, and Palmer with different motifs and variations on a theme. I think with The Wall, they did an okay job with that, but I don't think the album does as much with it's time-frame as Dark Side of the Moon did. The songs I consider "filler" work within the album, but Dark Side of the Moon is an album that every song could've been a single. I think what is missing in The Wall is the lack of Rick's input. It's a good album, but it's missing that wonderful sonic quality that Rick gave the albums. It reminds of listening to Let It Be from The Beatles. I feel like I'm listening to a band that can't stand to be together. There are some amazing songs on that album, but you can hear it all crumbling.
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DominicCobb said:
Defining rock is always quite hard, but interesting nonetheless. Classic rock is my favorite genre, but I also appreciate rock in the roll, pop, hard, prog, indie, and alternative variety.
Are we so sure that classic rock isn't 80s too? It's definitely not 90s, but rock in the 80s sounds a lot like in the 70s but just a little less raw. The classic rock stations I listen to play a good deal of 80s stuff. Perhaps the perception of it depends on when you were born.
Or maybe we're getting a little too stringent with these genre definitions? Isn't Pink Floyd progressive rock anyway?
Love all their stuff by the way, but there's a reason why Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, and The Wall (and to a lesser extent Animals) are their classics - it's because those are the best.
Best Beatles album is Revolver, by the way.
I'm sorry, but if you can't precisely define something with specific technical readouts, it can't be categorized, and your opinion is invalid. Good day sir!
I think some 80s rock music can be considered classic rock, but this was around the time when alternative rock started to take over, and the artists from the 70s who made albums in the 80s started to sound outdated. Punk can't really be considered classic rock in spite of beginning in the 70s. You could have some 90s bands that are similar to classic rock, like Pearl Jam or Soundgarden, but those are grunge bands and is considered part of alternative rock. I would say the heyday of classic rock would be from the release of Revolver to Physical Graffiti.
Music is an emotional thing, the biggest difference between Rock and Rock'n'Roll is that they feel different. I know this explanation will not satisfy galacticsemen, but for any sensible human being you can feel the difference between them. Technically writing it may be difficult, but if you're in the mood for some Led Zeppelin or some Rush, listening to Chuck isn't going to satisfy you're craving. Sure rock is made of the same elements, but the attitude, the dynamic, the emotion, and the amount of aggression is all different. Something that can be much more easily felt than described.
TV's Frink said:
I'm sorry, but if you can't precisely define something with specific technical readouts, it can't be categorized, and your opinion is invalid. Good day sir!
Except that an opinion of an art cannot be invalid.
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imperialscum said:
TV's Frink said:
I'm sorry, but if you can't precisely define something with specific technical readouts, it can't be categorized, and your opinion is invalid. Good day sir!
Except that an opinion of an art cannot be invalid.
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I almost used this one.
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Not as delicious as this:
Yeah but it has far less sodium and cholesterol than that, so I'll go with the first.
I'm not one to argue over inane definitions of musical genre, but when I think of 'best classic rock album', there's really only one thing that springs to mind: In the Court of the Crimson King, by King Crimson.
Yeah yeah, it's 'progressive', blah blah whatever. It is a rock album, and it is undeniably a classic. It is also completely awesome, especially for its use of the mellotron.
Anyway I am way too young to know rock albums. Even vinyl albums predates me.
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imperialscum said:
Even vinyl albums predates me.
I'd point out your questionably grammar here, but that's Ric_2's job. =P
DuracellEnergizer said:
imperialscum said:
Even vinyl albums predates me.
I'd point out your questionably grammar here, but that's Ric_2's job. =P
It's a linguistic drift. You should feel honoured to be given an opportunity to have an exclusive preview of future English.
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imperialscum said:
Anyway I am way too young to know rock albums. Even vinyl albums predates me.
I bet I'm about your age or younger, and I have a somewhat extensive knowledge of classic rock.
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They still make vinyl albums. I always buy all my music on vinyl. It sounds much better than CD's. Sure they crackle and hiss a little, but underneath that the music is so much more powerful sounding, it almost feels like being at a concert.
Possessed said:
They still make vinyl albums. I always buy all my music on vinyl. It sounds much better than CD's. Sure they crackle and hiss a little, but underneath that the music is so much more powerful sounding, it almost feels like being at a concert.
I agree that vinyl is a much better medium for music than CDs, even though the latter claims to be technically superior. Even though I never have collected vinyl (yet), there's a charm to the format that can never be applied to CDs or Mp3 files.
generalfrevious said:
Possessed said:
They still make vinyl albums. I always buy all my music on vinyl. It sounds much better than CD's. Sure they crackle and hiss a little, but underneath that the music is so much more powerful sounding, it almost feels like being at a concert.
I agree that vinyl is a much better medium for music than CDs, even though the latter claims to be technically superior. Even though I never have collected vinyl (yet), there's a charm to the format that can never be applied to CDs or Mp3 files.
You look at the artwork on a cd for about 2 seconds. But the artwork on a record, I can spend hours observing all of the little details.
moviefreakedmind said:
imperialscum said:
Anyway I am way too young to know rock albums. Even vinyl albums predates me.
I bet I'm about your age or younger, and I have a somewhat extensive knowledge of classic rock.
Yeah, same.