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I'll shut up now.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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ZION: I will get the Star Wars SC LDs in the mail to you next tuesday, as long as they find their way back home someday.
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Does this mean you guys will ultimately be combining SC with DefCol & Faces XØ caps?
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
This is confusing.

Alright, to clear up the confusion, here's the story. Laserman originally got a capture from nin, but it wasn't used except in the early 'pre X0 Project' pics that were on Laserman's website.

The master we are working from now is not from nin's player due to some problems in the original capture. (No fault of nin's, though Laserman never went into exactly what the problems were.)

The footage we are currently using is from a Japanese X0 capture from a person who wishes to remain unknown -- both to protect themselves from lawyers and to protect themselves from being inundated with requests to transfer people's discs for them. The process of doing 3 movies in CAV was enough to make her never want to capture anything ever again. So yeah, don't ask. She is not to be confused with our mysterious 3rd member however.

As stated before, the X0 capture footage we currently have is all in all better than the SC footage. I think the buzz around here lately for the SC discs is a little misleading in that people automatically think that a full SC capture is the only way to go. And this is simply not true. We will put up some examples in the next week or so that will show you the difference with what we are currently working on, and our experiments with the SC. Some of you may be pleasantly suprised.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

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She? Her? Dude, you already blew her cover! There's only like 3-4 girls on the Internet, and only half of that number know about laserdiscs!!! Better start a legal defense fund...
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In every comparison I've seen, the Faces shots are the worst: very blurry. I've seen DJ's Definitive and Faces captures, and the Definitive is MUCH better than the Faces. Why are you using it, is the difference between the Definitive/Faces captures you did with the X0, much smaller?

That's no moon. It's a LaserDisc.

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I've been using my X9 lately to compare the Def. collection to the Faces and I'm starting to agree that the Def collection, in general, has a much smoother, more filmlike look to it. Some parts of the Faces are better, but overall I think the definitive is the better looking set.
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The main thing that struck me was that the Definitive is much sharper: much more detail. But which things do you think, are better on the Faces set?

That's no moon. It's a LaserDisc.

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I'm glad to see that taking the time to look into the SC discs hasn't been a waste. I love it when we mention things in the forum that end up effecting the project in a positive way.

P.S. If I see Leah's boob grabbed one more time I'm gonna shoot myself.

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Originally posted by: zion
As stated before, the X0 capture footage we currently have is all in all better than the SC footage. I think the buzz around here lately for the SC discs is a little misleading in that people automatically think that a full SC capture is the only way to go. And this is simply not true. We will put up some examples in the next week or so that will show you the difference with what we are currently working on, and our experiments with the SC. Some of you may be pleasantly suprised.


I'm just glad you guys are taking into account all the options. I have total faith that you'll end up making the best possible hybrid.
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Originally posted by: Grinder
In every comparison I've seen, the Faces shots are the worst: very blurry.


Keep in mind that on a lot of players, there's this weird smearing effect with CLV. And none with CAV. That could perhaps be a source of the difference?

I understand (or maybe just suspect?) that's not an issue with the X0.

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"In every comparison I've seen, the Faces shots are the worst: very blurry."

"Keep in mind that on a lot of players, there's this weird smearing effect with CLV. And none with CAV"

Along these lines, did your comparisons ever include the Battle of Yavin, because this segment of the Faces discs (Disc 2, side 1) is in CAV as well. You may find that they look identical (except for contrast). If so, then it is your player creating the blur, rather than the disc itself.

(Yes....we, the X0 Project, know wayyyyyyy too damn much about these discs. )

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi (Yes....we, the X0 Project, know wayyyyyyy too damn much about these discs. )

You can never know to much, it half the battle. Also it feels great to help with this project.
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Many ld players do exhibit the CLV smearing. It's very easily seen in Star Wars during the opening scene. The X9 and X0 did not suffer from this. On my X9, even with no CLV smearing, I'm starting to prefer the definitive collection. I just now need a new pressing that does not suffer the "rolling bar" issue.
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'Rolling bar' issue?

“I love Darth Editous and I’m not ashamed to admit it.” ~ADigitalMan

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Along these lines, did your comparisons ever include the Battle of Yavin, because this segment of the Faces discs (Disc 2, side 1) is in CAV as well. You may find that they look identical (except for contrast). If so, then it is your player creating the blur, rather than the disc itself.


I don't have the discs myself, I'll have to check DJ's transfer for that. Comparing CAV to CAV played back on the same player, the differences you see are on the disc, I'm curious what comes out...

That's no moon. It's a LaserDisc.

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I think I have TooT somewhere -- seeing as I invented it. I'll see if I can get it up someplace.

TooT isn't just an averager, though: it's a fixer and averager. With three unique sources that exhibit tons of video flaws, you can get a nice, clean version that exhibits only those flaws that exist in all three sources. In practical terms, that means only video flaws that are introduced prior to disc mastering (and there are several) remain.
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Yep I had a good read of the linked thread and the original thread linked in that linked thread (if you get my drift), I did find it though but haven't had a chance to truly test it out against just normal averaging between 3 captures as I'm working encoding the extras for ESB DVD today.

It was in the test zip you posted: http://www3.telus.net/11811/doom9/TooT_Test_ Kit.zip (thanks!)


edit: I wonder if someone could come up with a version of TooT that does an "Average Best Of X clips", basically TooT that can handle more than 3 sources.
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Yeah, I'd thought down that road some time ago. I think I even coded something up (based on the original, which I wouldn't have been able to code on my own). But then I'd need to get more sources, which became my focus instead of coding.

I think I got as far as ToTooT: "Two or Three out of Three", which would average all three if they were close enough, otherwise it would drop the outlier from the averaging. Close enough for the sources I've got.
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If you had more than 3 sources couldn't you do two TooTs and then TooT the TooTs?
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That's an awful lotta TooTs.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: AbsoluteDestiny
If you had more than 3 sources couldn't you do two TooTs and then TooT the TooTs?


Yeah, you could, but I'm not sure you get to the same place, do you? If you have five sources, say, then isn't an average of five better than an average of 123 and 345, say? Only three sources are needed to remove disc-specific junk; after that, I think all you really need is a clever averaging arrangement.

Time to crack my old statistics text, I think... sigma, here I come.