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I really hope this project isn't dead. It's too important for dvnr smear haters like me.

Is the colors on Empire equally as bad as on Star Wars of this set? Just curious, I've never seen it.

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I love the screenshots on the first page, I haven't seen many captures of those laserdiscs that are very clear. The color does not look as faded as I seem to remember past caps of. The only thing is the edges seem to have some white glow around them, almost like a halo effect. I'm sure you didn't add any but it almost looks like edge enhancement.

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Yes, there is some edge enhancement on this transfer and some very bad color timing but when I'm looking at the caps on the first page, most color problems seems to have been solved with the help of g-force's script. I'm very interested to see the improvements over the V8 and also to see a smear-free Empire preserved which I've never seen in widescreen format before.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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It would be really cool if something like this could be substituted into a cleaned up GOUT for the parts that had the worst DVNR smearing.  If the colour and contrast could be matched, it would surely improve what's currently available by quite a lot.

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Exactly my thoughts, hairy_hen.

Damn I always get tempted to play through Twilight Princess again when I see your beautiful avatar. ;)

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The shots would never match just by editing them together, way too soft and noisy, but if someone could do what Adywan did for his "recreations" which is rotoing and compositing the X9 sections over the smears on a GOUT plate, it might work. Tall order on a technical level though. Any takers? :P

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That sounds rather, er, complicated.  lol

The X0 pic of the Mos Eisley scene looked really good--somehow they blended the DC and JSC versions together for detail and got rid of all the smearing--but unfortunately it seems we'll not be seeing more of that.

 

Damn I always get tempted to play through Twilight Princess again when I see your beautiful avatar. ;)

Midna rules, doesn't she?  Kind of like a Zelda version of Mara Jade, I suppose you could say.  Rather a shock when she suddenly goes from cute-but-sinister demon/imp thing into full blown babe.  ;)  Poor Link, though, left holding the dust because she just had to be noble and break that damned mirror . . .

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zombie84 said:

The shots would never match just by editing them together, way too soft and noisy...

No they wouldn't match easily, they also have different framing but I really think you could get some good results if you match the overall colors and contrast/sharpness of the Gout picture, the result would by no means be seamless but I think I would prefer it over the horrible smear that takes you out of the film every time you watch it.

Sad but true... but this seems to be the only option available to fully fix these films without having actual prints scanned, I also think some scenes from the broadcasted '97SE could be very helpful. It's stupid really, that I'm finding myself dreaming of seeing these films without disturbing videoflaws in no higher than pity LD resolution, but that's because I love these films so much I guess. IMO the '04 transfers should be avoided like plague, I'm really impressed what Adywan has manage to do with the colors in his reconstruction but to me the footage still look horrible for the most part no matter what you do.

Anyway, this set would be wonderful to have just on its own. I really hope you finish it someday.

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Midna rules, doesn't she?  Kind of like a Zelda version of Mara Jade, I suppose you could say.  Rather a shock when she suddenly goes from cute-but-sinister demon/imp thing into full blown babe.  ;)  Poor Link, though, left holding the dust because she just had to be noble and break that damned mirror . . .

:) Yes, she does. Beautiful ending! I'm actually a huge Zelda fan since 1986 ;) and even though I was a little dissapointed with that game, I must say that she is one of the best characters Nintendo has ever produced. 

Sorry about the unrelated post.

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msycamore said:

zombie84 said:

The shots would never match just by editing them together, way too soft and noisy...

No they wouldn't match easily, they also have different framing but I really think you could get some good results if you match the overall colors and contrast/sharpness of the Gout picture,

Maybe. I'm not totally convinced, but it might be one of those things you have to try and see before you know whether or not it works. You might also have to be selective to the most offending instances (4-eyed stormtrooper comes to mind).

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You're probably right about this and maybe I'm overly optimistic but I would love to try it out if I had the raw video files available.

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msycamore said:

if I had the raw video files available.

'tis the season to refresh your usenet provider ... ;)

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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Darth Mallwalker said:

msycamore said:

if I had the raw video files available.

'tis the season to refresh your usenet provider ... ;)

Ah, that's wonderful! Never wanted to take up on Arnie.d's offer due to being occupied with other things, that damn THX 1138 I never seem to get done. ;)

This is great stuff, thank you Mallwalker and Arnie.d! :) Hopefully me or someone else will be able to continue where Arnie left off.

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Yes indeed.
BIG thanks to Arnie.d and Grinder & his no-name friend who all made it happen back in 2009.

It was most generous for Arnie.d to offer those files earlier this year; however it seems nobody was ready to assume responsibility of "project leader".

msycamore wasn't the only one who said might like to tinker with those files.
Mattman mentioned it in another thread, and iirc somebody else too (was it Chewtobacco?) Anyway, the point is
we hope those files will be 'available' for a very long time.
Anybody who wants may have a go at it, and hopefully some good would come out.

I'll offer my AVS script for IVTC'ing progressive frames from the raw video.
Maybe I can offer IVTC'ed clips of certain shots, if they'd be useful for de-SE or de-DNR projects, to save having to download the huge raw files. Ask me

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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A while ago, I opened the DarkSega rip of ESB into AviDemux and started playing with the hue, saturation and color sliders, and I'm beginning to wonder if dialing down the yellow might provide more evidence for how blue Hoth originally looked.

The pre-GOUT transfers of ESB seemed to have a yellow push, I remember Hoth and Dagobah looking very neutral. (I vividly recall watching my old CBS/Fox tapes and wondering why Yoda didn't look green in Empire like he did in Jedi...)

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Yeah, that is very much the case, yellow midtones with green highlights...

Thanks again for going through the trouble uploading these huge files, it's very much appreciated, Mallwalker. Looking forward to see the quality of these captures.

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http://i40.tinypic.com/ouulty.gif
Bob(0.0, 1.0)

Coming at the end of Side2, that film frame comprise only one field in the video stream.
So we need to make a deliberate creative decision: weave() or bob() ?
In my script it's defined both ways. The last one wins.
Change the order in the script, or else use a comment character (#) to pick your poison

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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Darth Mallwalker said:msycamore wasn't the only one who said might like to tinker with those files.  Mattman mentioned it in another thread, and iirc somebody else too (was it Chewtobacco?)

Many thanks for uploading all these files, Darth Mallwalker.  Your IVTC script is very much appreciated.  It must have taken you ages.  I don't think I'm cut out to be any kind of project leader, but I am absolutely thrilled to be able to access these files and do plan to make MKVs and DVDs out of them.

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Can these files be played 'as is' on a computer media player or do they need additional processing? Or if they can will they look bad?

 

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thanks - good to know, glad the JSC is not disappearing from view, don't have enough gigabytes (yet) to get this raw but good to know its an option

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I applied Darth Mallwalker's IVTC script to the capture of ESB, encoded the video with x264 and muxed it to MKV with hairy_hen's 5.1 --I assume he doesn't mind.  The resulting file is quite small, but the quality should be good enough to reflect what the raw capture is like.  PM me if you're interested.

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Does laserdisc conform to Rec.601?  I prefer to flag colorimetry when I make DVDs and as these are raw captures I want to know if I need to make some sort of adjustment.  Didn't Japanese NTSC use a different black level from North America?

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Chewtobacca said:

Didn't Japanese NTSC use a different black level from North America?
After 1990 they did.

601 was first published in early 1980's, during the time when Japanese NTSC hadn't evolved yet. Was still the same as north American standard.

These Special Collection discs were mastered in the later Eighties, so they still used 7.5 IRE units for black. Well I can't prove it, but I think so.
Seems like 601 should apply here...

Makes me think of Karyudo at times like these. Well Happy Christmas Karyudo wherever you are :)

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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Seems like 601 should apply here...

Thanks, Darth Mallwalker.  It looks as if no adjustment is needed then.

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If some of you want to get rid of the rainbowing seen in these transfers I can recommend the fft3dfilter in AviSynth.

fft3dfilter(sigma=3,sigma2=3,sigma3=12,sigma4=3,bt=3,plane=1)
fft3dfilter(sigma=3,sigma2=3,sigma3=12,sigma4=3,bt=3,plane=2)

The above command should be input after the IVTC, the results are quite impressive, especially on starfields but be aware that it also desaturate objects that should have color sometimes. This was a problem I was faced with when doing the Technidisc transfer, so I ultimately dropped it for that one, the side effects are at least minor compared to other filters I have tested, you could maybe apply it just where it's absolutely necessary. Something I plan to do for my 2nd attempt.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com