The Vaultbreakers Collection - Disney Preservations — Page 21

Impressive work. To both of you.

To be honest, monks19, it seemed like you were dragging your feet sharing that clip when I asked about it.  I understand it's your work, but if you were hesitant to share it, you should have just said so.

I have little expectation that providing you with the VHS cap will prove to be a benefit to me.  As such, I will make the clip available to everyone after I release the completed DVD.

You should know that what you have on YouTube is incorrectly 29.97 fps running at 23.976.  That means it needs to be decimated and re-encoded before it can be used... and you probably painted 20% more frames than you needed to.

Also, not only are you missing all the butt-through-towel action, but also some more side-boob while she's doing it.  (It is easy to miss if your source is small.)

I didn't know tmpgenc still existed.  The NTSC DVD isn't 29.97, it's 23.976 (with 'soft' pulldown flags).

I'd use VirtualDubMod (yeah that's pretty old too), load the .VOB file directly, trim it to the scene you want to edit, and then use "Save Image Sequence" to output all frames sequentially as lossless PNG (or similar) files.

You can then repaint and re-encode them back to 23.976 video using an AVS script and CCE SP or HC encoder (which is free but good).

If you mean the VHS source which is hard telecined, that requires an IVTC method.

I used:

#IVTC and align frames
TFM(pp=0)
trim(806,0)
firstdup=trim(0,-1) #duplicate first frame
lastdup=trim(334,334) #duplicate final frame
firstdup+trim(0,334)+lastdup #add extra frames to improve decimate pattern match to DVD
tdecimate(ovr="DecimateOverride.txt") #remove duplicate frames with override list

#Override file only contains:
#4 -
#148 -

Seriously, I would love to have this done properly, but I'm too impatient.  If you do succeed in recreating this scene from scratch I'll definitely watch it.  I'll be uploading the capped clip this weekend.

Edit: Btw, I've seen mentioned that the PAL version floating around is a DVD9 to DVD5 conversion.  I doubt it since the NTSC disc is a DVD5 as well (and nearly as badly overcompressed).

Can anyone tell me why they didn't censor this too?

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

hahahahaahahaaa!

For posterity I've put 30 seconds of raw rip for "All The Cats... " as a DVD_ROM extra.

Honestly, the original DVDs are really poor quality.  The R1 disc should absolutely have been a DVD9, it is riddled with mosquito noise and macroblocking.  The small difference in quality between my restored clip and the rest of the video is minor.

I'd say bank the VHS clip and wait/hope for a BD release and repaint in HD when available.  Of course you can feel free to do it in SD anyway if you want.

I can make the raw clip available separately if you want.  It's pretty small.

And a quick question to anyone looking for MMM.  I was going to do something like MF, but I do have permission to up this to MySpleen.

Opinions? Preferences?

What fps problem is there?  The R1 DVD is 23.976 progressive.  Unless you're talking about Martins/Coys.

I updated Wikipedia today since they didn't seem to have info about the changes to ATCJI.  It has me worried if there are other alterations that we haven't noticed.  (I actually double checked for cherub nudity alterations during one scene.)

Btw, can anyone clarify what has been altered on Melody Time?  Did they paint out Pecos Bill's cig for the whole segment?  Did they cut out the one verse with rolling a cigarette?  Are there any other changes?

I'm thinking of giving MT a similar treatment, although there is a PAL source to work from.  The thing is I don't know that I've ever scene the full movie... so I'm not sure how much I care to go to the effort.

monks19 said:

No, unfortunately. The source master might be from a 23.97 fps, but the dvd, once ripped, clearly indicate the fps at 29.97 (checked with both tmpgenc,  TsMuxer & DVD FAB).

Don't all NTSC DVDs say that, even if they're 23.976?

Yes, Molly.  If you just rip the video file, it is 29.97, but that can be true hard interlaced or it can be 'soft' interlaced, which is just 23.976 video with pulldown flags that tell hardware what to do with it on playback.

VirtualDubMod ignores the flags, indexing with DGIndex, or several other methods will show you that Make Mine Music is 100% film.

I'm afraid, monks19, that you need to do some research on the basics of DVD video.  tmpgenc & TsMuxer shouldn't even be involved.

While I did a passable job with Make Mine Music's menus (to hide all the missing audio and subtitle selections), Melody Time seems impossible to work with.

What are the feelings here about just disabling unused buttons?  Otherwise I'll need to create new menus from scratch.

It's 'Melody Time' at MySpleen.  Smoke 'em if you got 'em. :-)

Two questions, but I'll put them in separate posts.

At the State Fair last weekend, there was a lovely booth selling all sorts of DVD treasures, including "Song of the South and "The Star Wars Holiday Special". Whether the rest of their wares were legal I don't know, but those ones definitely were not.

I do wonder what the transfer was for the SWHS disc, but I doubt it's one that's not floating around.

"Song of the South", though: is it something I should have picked up?

This is the Year of the Little Mermaid, what with her Blu-ray coming out in a week and a half and the sequel and prequel packaged together in November.

I'm excited.

But I know better than to dream that Disney would release the TV series.

Is anyone working on a preservation of same? I have neither the skills nor the hardware nor even the software to make a Blu-ray disc, but it would be a truly wonderful thing to experience.

(Then again, I know that Disney's *shown* them in HD, but are they of sufficient quality?)

MattMahdi said:

Is anyone working on a preservation of same? I have neither the skills nor the hardware nor even the software to make a Blu-ray disc, but it would be a truly wonderful thing to experience.

Not really, but you can get the complete series on Myspleen. The size is big enough for a single layer DVD.

Really? The size I've seen is 8gb for the set of 31.

MattMahdi said:

Really? The size I've seen is 8gb for the set of 31.

That's even better. Now you have quality enough for a dual-layered DVD (or two single-layer DVDs if you prefer that). Where did you find this set? PM the link to me if you want to.

I guess I'm just confused. The files themselves would fill a dual-layer DVD, but that's somewhere between ten and fifteen hours of material [my mental math skills are failing me].

A dual-layer DVD generally holds about four hours, right?

I... uh... (facepalm).  Could someone else answer this?  I can't type from the laughing.