The Vaultbreakers Collection - Disney Preservations — Page 18

dvdmike said:

Why Oh why do disney DNR their animated releases and not their feature films!!!!

Pete's Dragon was DNR'd.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

I really would love to see this version of Snow White if you could oblige. Could you upload it somehow, please?

As soon as I can, I definitely will. I love "Snow White".

I'm very sad.  I just watched Snow White tonight with the DVD release that corresponds to the Diamond Edition, and I'm not sure what I think of it.

The colors are good, the image is largely sharp, but all that cleaning up highlights the flaws.

Now I see colors that shift during shots, blurred and missing frames, unnatural motion, and stuff like this:

All these years I watched inferior(?) versions with lots of grain that helped cover the short comings... and tonight it was all I saw.  It distracted me from the movie.

I was actually forced to turn up my TV's dejudder and motion smoothing just to make the animation less nausea inducing.

Is this really the best version of Snow White or was the Diamond restoration just abusive of the material?

I'm trying to decide if I need to get the Platinum Edition for comparison.  As far as I know there's nothing older than that.

Has anyone else had a similar experience with this?

Just got my hands on a few more laserdiscs.  I'm handing off to a friend to cap with better equipment and am considering (as per communication with drfsupercenter) handing them off to another person here to cap on even better equipment.  I really want to see the best possible preservations done, however it may be achieved.

I want to toss out a question here.  I've been going through a list of Disney animated features and comparing old releases and new 'restored' releases.

While colors are frequently an issue, the biggest head scratcher to me is that in a lot of the old releases Gold Editions, LD, etc. the whites are WHITE.  Like white as this text you are reading.

The restored releases make them a light grey or with a touch of color.  The new versions seems better... if you had never seen the originals.  I've seen it on almost all new restorations (I remember seeing this as far back as the Platinum Little Mermaid (which didn't seem right at the time)).

The thing is I then saw some screen shots of the (awful) Pinocchio restoration.  This is one for some reason I remember how it looks in theaters, and there really was white.

I guess my question is, why is Disney killing the whites?  (Take that quote out of context...)

Example: Cinderella: http://www.dvdizzy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16200&highlight=cinderella+comparison

Btw, Molly, how goes your Cinderella project?

Edit: Speaking of, does anyone have a Platinum/Diamond screenshot comparison for Cinderella?  I can only find LD versus Platinum.  I have no idea how the new transfer looks.

Edit 2: Okay, reading further it looks like the Diamond edition did nothing to correct the over scrubbed detail and messed up colors.

The whites were nowhere near as white as the older releases, I've seen a couple of original cells. Projection can blow out whites though. I haven't seen the newer versions, but the LD's in particular have the whites far too bright.

Remember too that the Bluray looks different when you project it to watching it on an LCD TV for instance.

monks19 said:

True. So saying what colours are the right one when you compare all the home video releases is, sometimes, pure speculation.

I think there's value in "how most of us remember it".

If most of us remember and enjoy the theatrically-inaccurate colors of a particular home video release, then I'd say that's the one to try to match.

We'll never be able to get a release to be 100% theatrically-accurate anyway; not on these 8-bit displays.

I had one of these as a kid: http://www.retroland.com/fisher-price-movie-viewer/  (The one you hold up to your eye).

The cartridges used film.  Now I don't believe for a second there was any serious attempts for color accuracy in these things, but I remember the Pinocchio looking like the Laserdisc screenshots do (and not to far from the old DVD).

Being film and not a home video transfer, they might seriously be closer to original intent... I DO know they looked nothing at all like the Diamond BD.

I also had Cinderella, Bambi and Lonesome Ghosts.  Now yeah I was a kid, but I have no recollection of them looking significantly different from when I'd watch them in the theater.

There are plenty of books of Disney cels available too as a colour reference.

That peter pan print is good value. Looks gorgeous.

Well, couple options here, depending if I can somehow dig up a 1995 CAV edition.

But most likely I can't and the 1995 CLV edition I have is still the best source I've got.  In that case, well, a friend's borrowing my laserdisc player and has better vidcap equipment.  But...this LD player is low end, for Pioneer at least.  There's only so much you can drag out of it.

The old version - it may still be on TPB - is very crudely handled, since I didn't really know much about the tools I had at the time.  What it was was a down-encoded rip of the 1995 CLV laser, with IVTC, and using the DVD's "restored mono" audio track.  Probably the same thing I'd do now, but with better tools.

@Molly - I was surprised there was no prior Gold Edition of Cinderella before Lowry's film destruction.

Painful that there's no good version.  Please keep us posted.

Isn't the CAV Masterpiece Collection version a good version? It is "remastered"...

Is the CAV edition you are after this one?

Yes.

I have the corresponding CLV disc.

I can buy that box set locally and transfer it if there is interest. Is it the best source available?

As far as we know, yes.

I've got to stop coming to this forum, it is costing me a fortune ;^)

I'll order the disc and set about capturing it then.

There seems to be two CAV versions, are they different?

Poita, if you can do a good transfer, YES there is interest.

I wasted an hour today trying some color correction and non-edge detail sharpening on the Lowry stuff.  Waste of time.

What they ended up with seems to have little correlation to previous transfers.