The Value of All Terrestrial Life — Page 2

Jetrell Fo said:

That's what happens when people allow their kids to place with poo.

;)

Yeah but i did say they were as verminous as rodents to me, not you or anyone else. So I factored recognition that this was my personal perspective into my post.

Bingowings said:

It's as inconsistent for me as arguing for the rights of a zygote while eating a pig.

 It seems to me that, say, spiders don't have a definable personality, and therefore don't have any rights either.  Their behavior is essentially programmed instincts.  So exterminating them isn't a big deal ;)

I do wish to ask, do some animals merit more rights than others in people's views, especially Bingowings'?  For instance, does greater intelligence warrant better treatment?  Does greater similarity to humans warrant better treatment, such as a cow vs. a crocodile vs. a goldfish vs. a spider?  Or are they all equally deserving of life, liberty, and their own pursuit of happiness?

TV's Frink said:

Jetrell Fo said:

That's what happens when people allow their kids to place with poo.

;)

 

If I can remember where I left it and my spelling skills ..... LOL

darth_ender said:

Bingowings said:

It's as inconsistent for me as arguing for the rights of a zygote while eating a pig.

 It seems to me that, say, spiders don't have a definable personality, and therefore don't have any rights either.  Their behavior is essentially programmed instincts.  So exterminating them isn't a big deal ;)

I do wish to ask, do some animals merit more rights than others in people's views, especially Bingowings'?  For instance, does greater intelligence warrant better treatment?  Does greater similarity to humans warrant better treatment, such as a cow vs. a crocodile vs. a goldfish vs. a spider?  Or are they all equally deserving of life, liberty, and their own pursuit of happiness?

I personally use animal life my general cut off point because I have to draw a line somewhere. Jainist monks would go much further but yes if I were to have an unmovable plague of babies eating my roof I would probably not use an exterminator. Where as millions of spiders which can't be scooped up and taken outside without leaving equally destructive stragglers will probably not be greeted with the same degree of mercy...to my regret. If I were to run over a fetus while cutting my grass I would be alarmed and probably as distraught as if I ran over a goldfish cutting my grass.

TV's Frink said:

Cats make great companions?  Interesting.

Amusing but, in my case, wholly untrue. I get more love, respect, and support from my cats than I do from any human member of my family. 

Jetrell Fo said:

TV's Frink said:

Jetrell Fo said:

That's what happens when people allow their kids to place with poo.

;)

 

If I can remember where I left it and my spelling skills ..... LOL

 Jetrell, I'm proud of you.  There was a time you would have taken this as an insult, but instead you rolled with the punches.  Well done. :-)

^^^^^^

Don't tell Silverwook or Moth3r ....  it might get me a temp-ban, lol.

Sadly, the picture's grammar skills are lacking as well, since in the language in use there would require a conjugation of the singular second-person in every verb.  "Thou hast [correct] imbibed alcohol and are [should be art] intoxicated."  Also, the correct possessive pronoun should be used.  You is plural, thou is singular, and thus we should use the singular possessive pronoun: thy, or in this case, thine, as it is followed by a word that begins with a vowel (much like when we use an instead of a).  "Return to thine abode, sir."  Sloppy!

What was this thread about? ;)

Bingowings said:

darth_ender said:

Bingowings said:

It's as inconsistent for me as arguing for the rights of a zygote while eating a pig.

 It seems to me that, say, spiders don't have a definable personality, and therefore don't have any rights either.  Their behavior is essentially programmed instincts.  So exterminating them isn't a big deal ;)

I do wish to ask, do some animals merit more rights than others in people's views, especially Bingowings'?  For instance, does greater intelligence warrant better treatment?  Does greater similarity to humans warrant better treatment, such as a cow vs. a crocodile vs. a goldfish vs. a spider?  Or are they all equally deserving of life, liberty, and their own pursuit of happiness?

I personally use animal life my general cut off point because I have to draw a line somewhere. Jainist monks would go much further but yes if I were to have an unmovable plague of babies eating my roof I would probably not use an exterminator. Where as millions of spiders which can't be scooped up and taken outside without leaving equally destructive stragglers will probably not be greeted with the same degree of mercy...to my regret. If I were to run over a fetus while cutting my grass I would be alarmed and probably as distraught as if I ran over a goldfish cutting my grass.

 I appreciate your answer, and truthfully do enjoy your perspective on this subject.  As I haven't studied much Jainism, where would they draw the line?  And considering they can't photosynthesize, how do they obtain needed nutrients if too careful?

darth_ender said:

Bingowings said:

darth_ender said:

Bingowings said:

It's as inconsistent for me as arguing for the rights of a zygote while eating a pig.

 It seems to me that, say, spiders don't have a definable personality, and therefore don't have any rights either.  Their behavior is essentially programmed instincts.  So exterminating them isn't a big deal ;)

I do wish to ask, do some animals merit more rights than others in people's views, especially Bingowings'?  For instance, does greater intelligence warrant better treatment?  Does greater similarity to humans warrant better treatment, such as a cow vs. a crocodile vs. a goldfish vs. a spider?  Or are they all equally deserving of life, liberty, and their own pursuit of happiness?

I personally use animal life my general cut off point because I have to draw a line somewhere. Jainist monks would go much further but yes if I were to have an unmovable plague of babies eating my roof I would probably not use an exterminator. Where as millions of spiders which can't be scooped up and taken outside without leaving equally destructive stragglers will probably not be greeted with the same degree of mercy...to my regret. If I were to run over a fetus while cutting my grass I would be alarmed and probably as distraught as if I ran over a goldfish cutting my grass.

 I appreciate your answer, and truthfully do enjoy your perspective on this subject.  As I haven't studied much Jainism, where would they draw the line?  And considering they can't photosynthesize, how do they obtain needed nutrients if too careful?

 This article here illustrates some of the lengths Jainist monks and nuns go to avoid causing suffering in 'others'. Remember this is one of  the oldest organised religion on the planet so it suggests that something a little less extreme is workable in a modern context.

Had a small spider in the house last night.  I caught it in a cup and took it outside.

I'm sure there was a spider party somewhere celebrating it's release and safe return.

:)

darth_ender said:

Sadly, the picture's grammar skills are lacking as well, since in the language in use there would require a conjugation of the singular second-person in every verb.  "Thou hast [correct] imbibed alcohol and are [should be art] intoxicated."  Also, the correct possessive pronoun should be used.  You is plural, thou is singular, and thus we should use the singular possessive pronoun: thy, or in this case, thine, as it is followed by a word that begins with a vowel (much like when we use an instead of a).  "Return to thine abode, sir."  Sloppy!

What was this thread about? ;)

 shouldn't it be

"Returneth to thine abode, sir.  Thou hast imbibethed alcohol art intoxicated"

: P

Warbler said:

darth_ender said:

Sadly, the picture's grammar skills are lacking as well, since in the language in use there would require a conjugation of the singular second-person in every verb.  "Thou hast [correct] imbibed alcohol and are [should be art] intoxicated."  Also, the correct possessive pronoun should be used.  You is plural, thou is singular, and thus we should use the singular possessive pronoun: thy, or in this case, thine, as it is followed by a word that begins with a vowel (much like when we use an instead of a).  "Return to thine abode, sir."  Sloppy!

What was this thread about? ;)

 shouldn't it be

"Returneth to thine abode, sir.  Thou hast imbibethed alcohol art intoxicated"

: P

Terrible, Warbler.  Utterly terrible!  Perhaps I should create a thread on Early Modern English grammar.

Returneth is the third-person singular conjugation in the indicative mood.  E.g. "He returneth..."  Return, in this case, is in the imperative mood, or as you probably would call it, a command.  It's simply return.  And hast + past participle verb indicates the perfect tense.  You wouldn't say today, "You have went to the store," or worse (and closer to what you have done), "You have goned to the store."  Again, the -eth conjugation indicates third-person present, and speaking to you means speaking in second-person; in this case, you have combined a present and past tense conjugation in a gruesome butchering of a slightly older version of our language.  You should be ashamed! ;)

Return to thine abode, Warbler.  Thou hast imbibed alcohol and art intoxicated. ;)