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Unusual Sequel Trilogy Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 14

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Your_friendly_Imperial said:

The First Order never rules the galaxy, they don’t own a galaxy weapon with which they blow up Republic space, they don’t own star destroyers. They are the underdogs who try to stay under the radar of the New Republic. Their tactics are subterfuge and terrorizing civilians. Essentially make them the Taliban of the galaxy.

I like this a lot. I’ve been thinking about ways to make it happen.

We cannot show the audience the First Order’s weakness. But we can tell them about it. As long as we remove any references to the “might” of the First Order, we could make that everyone involved in the FO (including overconfident Ren and Hux) know they’re trash, and have to be constantly a step ahead of the Republic.

For example. Let’s alter the wording of the crawl.

Luke Skywalker has vanished.
In his absence, a ragtag
terrorist group
, the
FIRST ORDER, has risen
and will not rest until
Skywalker, the last Jedi,
has been destroyed.

We have now established the lie. We can strengthen it by adding bits and pieces of dialogue. For instance, the scene where Captain Phasma asks Kylo about what to do with the villagers. I suggest dubbing a nearby Stormtrooper to provide his opinion:

If we let them live, they’ll tell the Republic. We can’t afford a straight fight.
This, in turn, leads Kylo to order killing them all, making the First Order less cartoonish and more calculated.

Another possible example. At some point on the First Order Star Destroyer, add in a ship loudspeaker, announcing:
Jakku scavengers have picked up on our presence, and a First Responders group is on its way. This is a battle we cannot afford. Troopers, prepare to leave in t minus 30 minutes.

For Starkiller, you could cut out the planet-destroying entirely, though it will require some intense VFXs to cover the big hole. Instead the planet could just be a FO base that is attacked at the end of the movie to get the remaining map to Skywalker.

Finally, in TLJ the reason the FO is so intent on hunting the Resistance is that the Resistance is the only people with proof of their threat.Again, we could add a fake Stormtrooper conversation to establish this:
What’s with all the effort on one ship?
The Resistance knows about us.
Ah.

The footage isn’t a problem, we just need someone that could do a reasonable impression that can later be audio edited to fit the movie.

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I do think that new VOs where you can imply this concept, and altering the opening crawl, are solid ideas. Although I think the biggest problem visually (outside of altering Starkiller Base) would be the First Order’s new gear and polished look. New ships, new armor, new weapons, not exactly what you would expect from a ragtag terrorist group.

You could just describe them as a small Imperial remnant maybe. So they have some resources, but they don’t have a massive fleet or anything (which could make this hidden fleet in Episode IX more important to the First Order).

I think another radical idea I’d like to brainstorm more would be making Starkiller Base a Star Forge-type device that allowed them to rebuild their fleet. It’s another interesting alternative to help explain how they were able to rebuild their military in secret.

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It also fits in well with Kylo Ren’s character. He turned to the dark side primarily because he believed he was owed a place in the galaxy because of his lineage (contrast with Rey also wanting a lineage to place herself in the galaxy, except she makes something of herself because she didn’t have one and had to). He could be an incredibly prized possession by the First Order because he’s a relative of Vader, Luke, Leia, and Han. They give him a place in the galaxy and he gives them one too.

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I do like the angle that Snoke uses Ben Solo to unite the Imperial remnants together by being the heir to the empire.

I also think it would emphasize an interesting dichotomy between the First Order and the New Republic. The Empire fell apart because their figurehead, the Emperor, died, leaving no clear ruler. Snoke could use Ben Solo, grandson of Darth Vader, to reunite those scattered factions of the Empire to a common cause. Then, when they destroy the Senate, the New Republic falls apart because they have no clear leadership. But Leia believes Luke, the last member of the Jedi Order, would have the power to reunite the Republic and work together to stop the First Order.

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I tried to read as much as I could so apologies if it was already discussed. But has there been much discussion about artificially padding time of passage between TFA and TLJ? It’s always been an annoyance how TLJ immediately takes place after TFA with little room to breathe.
The challenge of course is visually showing a significant amount of time has passed. There could be little cues such as Rey with her hair down, perhaps to show progression in her Jedi training. Perhaps earlier sequences in TLJ could be regulated to flashbacks. Rey’s storyline could be toyed around with from having visions of the past and/or future when she falls into that dark side energy cave.
Briefly have the idea that Rey feels as though she’s physically in the presence of Kylo Ren, like a premonition, when he’s asking her to join him. It could be set up that she’s conflicted that she may have the temptations of the darkside, hence you see her about to raise her hand to meet Kylo’s. Then later in the movie, the actual scene plays out where she rejects his offer, signalling her solidfication in the lightside. Idk, just spitballing here.

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Finn: Let’s get away in that [new ship].

Rey: What? No that one’s garbage. Let’s get to that Corellian freighter.

They are running towards the Millennium Falcon when it gets blown up.

Rey: The garbage will do.

And that’s how the Falcon gets replaced throughout the entire ST. Needless to say, this would be a very TLJ-esque moment.

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I hope that when the inevitable saga box set comes out next year it includes some more TFA deleted scenes.

Like, what is this scene in this video at :28? Stormtroopers at dusk in the desert (but in the actual desert, not the set used for the opening scene). I’ve never seen this before…
https://youtu.be/P7xZV_26VYU?t=28

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DominicCobb said:

I hope that when the inevitable saga box set comes out next year it includes some more TFA deleted scenes.

Like, what is this scene in this video at :28? Stormtroopers at dusk in the desert (but in the actual desert, not the set used for the opening scene). I’ve never seen this before…
https://youtu.be/P7xZV_26VYU?t=28

I saw a longer version of that shot used in another doc around the same time, can’t recall what it was now. Funny enough, I’ve recently considered the possibility of creating a very brief scene out of it (with their POV shots of the desert sandwiching it) as they track Finn from the TIE wreckage. The scene would have to be brightened and heavily cleaned of course, so I would guess that the original place for this footage was in the search for BB-8 the previous evening.

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I changed Holdo’s hair from purple to blonde in my edit, added Ackbar from ROTJ and added the voice of Obi-Wan to Luke’s death scene… among other things.
https://youtu.be/DSryXHl-Fz4

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I find that it’s quite distracting and perhaps unfitting for a woman of her status.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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Her hair color was just an aesthetic choice. The more I watched my edit (40-50 times during the process) the more I began to dislike it. There’s really not much more to it. I never expected people on Reddit to be so offended by the choice but, either way, I like it so much more as blonde. Just an aesthetic choice. However, I love Sabine’s purple hair in Rebels. It never bothered me at all

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RogueLeader said:

The Ackbar change must’ve taken a bit of time!

Yeah, Ackbar took forever. I also liked one of Ivan’s Ackbar shots. I’ll probably use it as well on my final edit

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Interesting. Is there anything else you’d like to change the colour of? Lightsabers, skin of non-human-colour aliens, etc?

Edit: That last one there makes me sound like I’m implying you’re racist. That’s not what I mean, I’m more saying aliens that aren’t a humanoid colour, i.e. blue, green, red, etc - are there any of those that your aesthetic doesn’t quite align with that you might change?

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EddieDean said:

I’m not sure I follow that, how is it distracting/unfitting? I don’t think I’ve ever read anything about rebels having hair colours dependent on rank (if that’s what you mean, but I may be being naive).

Maybe its just personal preference but i think the purple hair looks a little goofy and maybe a bit childish for an admiral of the rebellion, I mean could you imagine how silly it would look on someone like Tarkin or Hux?

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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EddieDean said:

Sorry if I’ve not been up with recent discussions, but what was broken about Holdo’s hair being purple?

Nothing mate.

Though some may want to tackle it as a technical challenge / exercise (apparently it is quite a difficult, labour-intensive task to to do - and get right).

Others don’t like the Holdo character and wish to make changes to her.

An aesthetic choice - some seemingly don’t like (through to some not being able to stand) people having purple hair in their Star Wars space opera / fantasy films.

A few have problems that the purple hair meant that the Holdo character was a lesbian; an oft-mentioned comment when making racist, sexist, homophobic or other derogatory comments on other female characters in the Sequels too.

I like to think most on here doing this change for Edits see it as an aesthetic choice or a technical exercise / challenge…

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Thanks for your input, folks.

idir_hh, I’m not sure about purple hair being childish or linked to low status though. Is that something established as a thing in the Star Wars canon? I’ve not read much of the EU. Isn’t coloured hair quite a common sci-fi trope?

oojason, I can totally see the idea of hair as a technical challenge, it must be particularly difficult in motion and with all of the different shades. Has anyone done anything the other way round? i.e. natural colours to unnatural?

I had no idea people linked hair colour to sexuality in the Star Wars fandom - is that explicit in the canon or just something the majority believe? (‘fanon’ I think it’s called?) Though Holdo doesn’t have a romantic subplot so why would her orientation be important?

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EddieDean said:

Interesting. Is there anything else you’d like to change the colour of? Lightsabers, skin of non-human-colour aliens, etc?

Edit: That last one there makes me sound like I’m implying you’re racist. That’s not what I mean, I’m more saying aliens that aren’t a humanoid colour, i.e. blue, green, red, etc - are there any of those that your aesthetic doesn’t quite align with that you might change?

Yeah, I also changed Luke’s saber to green in my edit. I wasn’t originally going to but, just like Holdo’s hair color, the more I watched my edit, the more that blue saber got on my nerves

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Personally, changing the hair color is neither offending or deemed necessary of an edit, but merely just extra busy work. It’s somewhat similar to say, what if we changed Jar Jar’s eye color? Does it really improve the experience? Maybe a little. It’s different. However, fundamentally, the real issue is simply the story inclusion of such character. Not so much the looks and appearance that is the issue, but the way such character was handled in the film. In which case, whether it’s Jar Jar or Holdo, both instances would benefit the movie if their presence was entirely removed, reduced, or rewritten, the latter being more of a challenge, given the already little screen time Holdo has and yet inherently involved with the story progressing and character interactions.
of course, I understand it’s all personal taste and up to each fan editor to modify what they wish, it’s all harmless expression.
I believe there’s many discussion over how to have someone else sacrifice or control the ship to kamikaze. I had the ‘radical’ idea to have Kylo Ren cause the ship to crash into the Supremacy. As he uses his hand to twitch the lightsaber towards Snoke, a quick cut shows the Resistance ship turning at the same time. When Snoke says, “…KILLS HIS TRUE ENEMY!” his gasp reaction coincides with the hyperspace attack. This poses some issues, no doubt, as it would be difficult to transition into how Rey and Kylo interact later, but at least the throne room would had already have looked like it got damaged by the hyperspace jump attack, fire and embers all around. I just think it fits in line with Kylo wanting to start anew with the First Order, to scrub the past and forge something different under his banner, hence him being responsible for killing Snoke and taking out a huge chunk of First Order.

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